very interesting.Originally Posted by DrB0b
thank you so much for the news update.
pass that info on to your friends and acquaintances in real life, too.
Europe’s denial of Islamic terrorism threat perplexes security specialists
By Rowan Scarborough - The Washington Times - Tuesday, May 23, 2017
The Manchester massacre underscores complaints from counterterrorism analysts that Europe has fallen into denial about the threat of Islamic terrorism.
For instance, London Mayor Sadiq Khan is on record as saying terrorism is “part and parcel” of urban life.
Furthermore, London police said in March that they could not assign a motive to a vehicle attack in which a Muslim British citizen followed the Islamic State tactical playbook by driving an SUV over pedestrians on crowded Westminster Bridge.
After the Brussels airport/subway bomb attacks in March 2016, U.S. officials said the Belgian capital was behind the times in basic intelligence-sharing.
Manchester Arena, with the largest capacity of any venue in Great Britain, exercised little security in the areas where people gathered before entering the concert Monday night. The foyer is where 22 concertgoers were killed and 119 others were injured by a suicide bomber. Fans said there was virtually no physical inspection of bags and knapsacks at the gates.
All the while, Europe has become home to thousands of migrants from Islamic State-infested Syria and other Muslim-majority countries. Social media messaging indicates that the terrorist group has nurtured its leaders right under the noses of European intelligence agencies.
“The state of denial permeating the political class still hobbles the ability of security professionals to address the radicalism of home-grown recruits,” said Michael Rubin, a foreign policy analyst at the American Enterprise Institute. “Returning Islamic State fighters are just going to throw fuel on the fire, if not today then down the road, because European leaders are too gutless to throw them in prison and toss away the key. Europe is a petri dish primed for radicalism to take root.”The European Union did not create its own counterterrorism center at The Hague until January 2016, after years of Islamic terrorist attacks. It has a staff of 49. By contrast, the U.S. set up the National Counterterrorism Center in 2005. It has 750 staffers.
Steven Stalinsky, who directs the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), estimates that thousands of Islamic State supporters are in Europe. He bases the estimate on the large number of social media conversations.
“I think that European counterterrorism efforts could be improved, as there have been many attacks throughout the continent the past two years,” Mr. Stalinsky said. “On the other hand, those involved in counterterrorism efforts have been successful in stopping many attacks and are most likely very stretched in monitoring the thousands of jihadis who are operating there freely, which should be expected to get worse in the future.”
British Prime Minister Theresa May, who raised the nation’s terrorism threat level to critical on Tuesday, went out of her way after the March 22 Westminster Bridge attack to avoid talking about a motive.
Robert Spencer, a scholar who operates Jihad Watch, said her lack of explanation is symptomatic of Europe’s denial.
“Theresa May said after the Manchester jihad massacre that Britain would confront the ideology that leads to such attacks,” Mr. Spencer said. “But she doesn’t even know what it is and wouldn’t admit it if she did, since it is rooted in Islam. This denial prevails all over Europe. They keep bringing in massive numbers of Muslims and pretending that they aren’t thereby importing jihad and chaos and bloodshed for themselves and their children. But they are.”
Larry Johnson, a consultant and former State Department counterterrorism official, was in London last year to teach a course on how to conduct surveillance.
A basic deterrent is police presence. Mr. Johnson said he was struck by how few uniformed police he saw on the streets. The British government, he said, is relying on informants within Muslim neighborhoods and surveillance by MI5 internal security to head off attacks.
Press reports said Salman Abedi, whom authorities identified Tuesday as the Manchester suicide bomber, was known to the government as a potential radical.
“They don’t keep much police presence on the streets, so if you’re out walking on the streets there’s no such thing as really neighborhood policing anymore,” Mr. Johnson said. “I think I saw a grand total of three uniformed cops during that time period.
“In their desire to be so open and accepting, they’ve really created a problem where they’ve got a massive foreign culture in London. The Islamic culture and values are not English values. They try to pretend that they are the same, but they’re not,” he said.
Of the major European targets of the Islamic State — Great Britain, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and France — it is France that has taken the Islamic threat the most seriously.
France remains in a state of emergency that was imposed in 2015 after Islamic State terrorists in Paris struck cafes, a soccer stadium and the Bataclan Theater, where 89 people were killed. The state of emergency has been extended three times. It gives the president power to suspend constitutional rights in counterterrorism cases.
France has put restrictions on ancient Muslim dress and massive public prayers. It carries out the most intrusive intelligence collection of any European state, analysts say.
Internal security has blunted a number attacks since Bataclan. In February, French police arrested four Islamic State followers and seized partially assembled improvised explosive devices, the Interior Ministry announced.
The EU counterterrorism center’s latest report said it has had success in weeding out possible terrorist infiltrators by photographing refugees and comparing them to images of Islamic State fighters in the Middle East. The report said the Islamic State has dozens of active terrorists in Europe.
“The EU is currently witnessing an upward trend in the scale, frequency and impact of terrorist attacks in the jurisdictions of member states,” the report stated. “France in particular has recently been hit hard by a series of terrorist attacks, perpetrated both by groups of terrorists and lone actors. IS is actively propagating terrorist acts on EU soil by any means available, increasingly inspiring radicalized individuals to act. IS has proven to be very effective in both moving people to commit terrorist acts and to set these actions in motion themselves.”
Manchester bombing reveals Europe's denial of Islamic terror threat - Washington Times
I rather think it was to expats but one cannot rule out he is a chi-chi mongrel half-breed and belongs to neither camp which might explain his iconoclasm.
Their help would have been much appreciated before the attack.Originally Posted by DrB0b
Come to think of it...has there ever been some kind of information leaked to the police ?
Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
was being sarcastic.Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
guess last night is too long ago for you to remember that i was taking the piss out of dr. bob last night for thinking that people get their news from reading this thread and dr. bob preferring there be no debate or discussion on this thread.
Please accept my most sincere apologies. I haven't noted your exchanges and missed the irony intended in your post.
One has to lay it on a little thick if one's style is unfamiliar and the nuances are missed.
I shall bear it in mind in the future.
Bob can be a bit up his own fundament.
and you parroting what you heard on the news shows your critical thinking skills in action:Originally Posted by DrB0b
don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors about the news you read.Originally Posted by DrB0b
^ Bob, straight up.. are (or have) America deliberately bombed innocent civilians in Syria/middle East, etc?
I don't mean the odd missile that went astray of a military target... I mean purposefully targeted a hospital or school, etc?
I'm 90% sure they have (dooh)... and if so, why does America interfere in conflicts that don't concern them?
For self interest? (control of oil)... I see hospitals bombed almost daily, no one accepts the blame... American blames the Russians, Russia blame the Americans.... WTF is going on?
Go easy on me.. not being sarcastic or anything.. it's just a complete fucking clustefcuk mess.. and I want to know the truth.. cheers.
^
https://www.yahoo.com/news/deadliest...103330002.htmlUS-led air strikes on Syria killed a total of 225 civilians over the past month, a monitor said on Tuesday, the highest 30-day toll since the campaign began in 2014.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the civilian dead between April 23 and May 23 included 44 children and 36 women.
...Coalition bombing raids between April 23 and May 23 also killed 122 IS jihadists and eight fighters loyal to the Syrian government, the Observatory said.
It's worth noting that this is the 5th month in row that the Americans have outdone the Russians in killing civilians (and I think if you're killing two civilians for every enemy, that probably counts as deliberate), but don't expect the headlines in any English-language paper to match those when the Russians were bombing Aleppo.
Last edited by Passing Through; 27-05-2017 at 03:29 PM.
it would seem that in spite of the drivel spouted by left wing fools, our soldiers, bombs and drones have very little to do with the terror attacks upon the west, and eshould the bombs and drones stop tomorrow, the terror attacks would not, because this is all about islam, an extreme version granted, but islam nevertheless, and a version whose existence is, thanks to the silence and inactivity of the moderate muslims in the west, tacitly swept under the carpet and unchallenged.
the canny amongst us have known this from the beginning, but for those at the back who have trouble keeping up, do read this from "dabiq", the mouthpiece of IS, issue 15, "breaking the cross", pages 30 -34.
an open door refugee policy, a la merkel, and the blinkered politically correct response to terror with little in the way of targeted profiling ( "oh, its nothing to do with islam, they are all lovely people you fucking racist bastard for even thinking of criticising them") will ensure that there will be many more manchesters, brussels, paris and nices in the future.1. We hate you, first and foremost, because you
are disbelievers;
you reject the oneness of Allah –
whether you realize it or not – by making partners
for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him,
claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against
His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all
manner of devilish practices.
It is for this reason that
we were commanded to openly declare our hatred for
you and our enmity towards you. “There has already
been for you an excellent example in Abraham and
those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Indeed,
we are disassociated from you and from whatever
you worship other than Allah. We have rejected
you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity
and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone’”
(Al-Mumtahanah 4).
Furthermore, just as your disbelief
is the primary reason we hate you, your disbelief
is the primary reason we fight you, as we have
been commanded to fight the disbelievers until they
submit to the authority of Islam, either by becoming
Muslims, or by paying jizyah – for those afforded this
option – and living in humiliation under the rule of
the Muslims.
Thus, even if you were to stop fighting
us, your best-case scenario in a state of war would be
that we would suspend our attacks against you – if we
deemed it necessary – in order to focus on the closer
and more immediate threats, before eventually resuming
our campaigns against you.
Apart from the option
of a temporary truce, this is the only likely scenario
that would bring you fleeting respite from our attacks.
So in the end, you cannot bring an indefinite halt to
our war against you. At most, you could only delay it
temporarily. “And fight them until there is no fitnah
[paganism] and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah”
(Al-Baqarah 193).
2. We hate you because your secular, liberal societies
permit the very things that Allah has prohibited
while banning many of the things He has permitted,
a matter that doesn’t concern you because you
Christian disbelief and paganism
separate between religion and state, thereby granting
supreme authority to your whims and desires via the
legislators you vote into power. In doing so, you desire
to rob Allah of His right to be obeyed and you wish to
usurp that right for yourselves.
“Legislation is not but
for Allah” (Yusuf 40).
Your secular liberalism has led
you to tolerate and even support “gay rights,” to allow
alcohol, drugs, fornication, gambling, and usury to
become widespread, and to encourage the people to
mock those who denounce these filthy sins and vices.
As such, we wage war against you to stop you from
spreading your disbelief and debauchery – your secularism
and nationalism, your perverted liberal values,
your Christianity and atheism – and all the depravity
and corruption they entail. You’ve made it your mission
to “liberate” Muslim societies; we’ve made it our
mission to fight off your influence and protect mankind
from your misguided concepts and your deviant
way of life.
3. In the case of the atheist fringe, we hate you
and wage war against you because you disbelieve in
the existence of your Lord and Creator. You witness
the extraordinarily complex makeup of created beings,
and the astonishing and inexplicably precise physical
laws that govern the entire universe, but insist that
they all came about through randomness and that one
should be faulted, mocked, and ostracized for recognizing
that the astonishing
signs we witness day after day
are the creation of the Wise,
All-Knowing Creator and not
the result of accidental occurrence.
“Or were they created
by nothing, or were they the
creators [of themselves]?” (AtTur
35). Your disbelief in your
Creator further leads you to
deny the Day of Judgment,
claiming that “you only live
once.” “Those who disbelieve
have claimed that they will never
be resurrected. Say, ‘Yes, by
my Lord, you will surely be resurrected;
then you will surely
be informed of what you did.
And that, for Allah, is easy’”
(At-Taghabun 7).
4. We hate you for your
crimes against Islam and wage
war against you to punish you
for your transgressions against our religion. As long as
your subjects continue to mock our faith, insult the
prophets of Allah – including Noah, Abraham, Moses,
Jesus, and Muhammad – burn the Quran, and
openly vilify the laws of the Shari’ah, we will continue
to retaliate, not with slogans and placards, but with
bullets and knives.
5. We hate you for your crimes against the Muslims;
your drones and fighter jets bomb, kill, and
maim our people around the world, and your puppets
in the usurped lands of the Muslims oppress, torture,
and wage war against anyone who calls to the truth.
As such, we fight you to stop you from killing our
men, women, and children, to liberate those of them
whom you imprison and torture, and to take revenge
for the countless Muslims who’ve suffered as a result
of your deeds.
6. We hate you for invading our lands and fight
you to repel you and drive you out. As long as there
is an inch of territory left for us to reclaim, jihad will
continue to be a personal obligation on every single
Muslim.
What’s important to understand here is that although
some might argue that your foreign policies
are the extent of what drives our hatred, this particular
reason for hating you is secondary, hence the
reason we addressed it at the end of the above list.
The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning
us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our
lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary
reason for hating you will not cease to exist until
you embrace Islam.
Even if you were to pay jizyah
and live under the authority of Islam in humiliation,
we would continue to hate you. No doubt, we would
stop fighting you then as we would stop fighting any
disbelievers who enter into a covenant with us, but we
would not stop hating you.
What’s equally if not more important to understand
is that we fight you, not simply to punish and deter
you, but to bring you true freedom in this life and
salvation in the Hereafter, freedom from being enslaved
to your whims and desires as well as those of your
clergy and legislatures, and salvation by worshiping
your Creator alone and following His messenger.
We fight you in order to bring you out from the darkness
of disbelief and into the light of Islam, and to liberate
you from the constraints of living for the sake of the
worldly life alone so that you may enjoy both the blessings
of the worldly life and the bliss of the Hereafter.
The gist of the matter is that there is indeed a rhyme
to our terrorism, warfare, ruthlessness, and brutality.
As much as some liberal journalist would like you to
believe that we do what we do because we’re simply
monsters with no logic behind our course of action,
the fact is that we continue to wage – and escalate –
a calculated war that the West thought it had ended
several years ago.
We continue dragging you further
and further into a swamp you thought you’d already
escaped only to realize that you’re stuck even deeper
within its murky waters… And we do so while offering
you a way out on our terms. So you can continue
to believe that those “despicable terrorists” hate
you because of your lattes and your Timberlands, and
continue spending ridiculous amounts of money to
try to prevail in an unwinnable war, or you can accept
reality and recognize that we will never stop hating
you until you embrace Islam, and will never stop fighting
you until you’re ready to leave the swamp of warfare
and terrorism through the exits we provide, the
very exits put forth by our Lord for the People of the
Scripture: Islam, jizyah, or – as a last means of fleeting
respite – a temporary truce.
when will our politicians man up and face the facts.
Originally Posted by taxexileNot a bad idea to read things before you post them.Originally Posted by taxexile
More generally, people usuallly have very, very little insight into their own motivations. Is it likely that some ISIS fuckwit is going to buck the trend? I don't think so. Linguistic analysis of, amongst other things, Inspire magazine (the ISIS monthly glossy - it's interesting reading, though illegal to download in Britain), shows that the appeal is much more to community than to religion.
Last edited by Passing Through; 27-05-2017 at 04:58 PM.
You may find it interesting to hear that IS are now threatening to wipe out Palestinians for not being Muslim enough.
This isn't about mosques, it's about a certain group of rabid individuals who are very easily programmed.
and if you had read the complete article, you would have seen thisNot a bad idea to read things before you post them.
What’s equally if not more important to understand
is that we fight you, not simply to punish and deter
you, but to bring you true freedom in this life and
salvation in the Hereafter, freedom from being enslaved
to your whims and desires as well as those of your
clergy and legislatures, and salvation by worshiping
your Creator alone and following His messenger.
We fight you in order to bring you out from the darkness
of disbelief and into the light of Islam, and to liberate
you from the constraints of living for the sake of the
worldly life alone so that you may enjoy both the blessings
of the worldly life and the bliss of the Hereafter.
The gist of the matter is that there is indeed a rhyme
to our terrorism, warfare, ruthlessness, and brutality.
As much as some liberal journalist would like you to
believe that we do what we do because we’re simply
monsters with no logic behind our course of action,
the fact is that we continue to wage – and escalate –
a calculated war that the West thought it had ended
several years ago.
What’s important to understand here is that although
some might argue that your foreign policies
are the extent of what drives our hatred, this particular
reason for hating you is secondary, hence the
reason we addressed it at the end of the above list.
their reasons are ideological, and like hitler, they cannot be reasoned with or placated by truces or forgiveness. in their book there is nothing to forgive for they are only spreading their beliefs.
^^ Of course I read it, you stupid fucking twat. What do you think 'secondary' means? And for bonus points, what do you think the relationship is between my post and the content of the text you quoted? Fucking idiot.
probably describes the type of idiocy you seem to be suffering from.
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