Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

Originally Posted by Cujo

Got to admit, his name is earl doesn't present much of an argument.

Apparently you don't know how to read either

January 18, 2018To: HPSCI Majority Members
From: HPSCI Majority Staff
Subject: Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Abuses at the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation
Purpose
This memorandum provides Members an update on significant facts relating to the Committee’s ongoing investigation into the Department of Justice (DOJ) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and their use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) during the 2016 presidential election cycle. Our findings, which are detailed below, 1) raise concerns with the legitimacy and legality of certain DOJ and FBI interactions with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), and 2) represent a troubling breakdown of legal processes established to protect the American people from abuses related to the FISA process.
Investigation Update
On October 21, 2016, DOJ and FBI sought and received a FISA probable cause order (not under Title VII) authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISC. Page is a U.S. citizen who served as a volunteer advisor to the Trump presidential campaign. Consistent with requirements under FISA, the application had to be first certified by the Director or Deputy Director of the FBI. It then required the approval of the Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General (DAG), or the Senate-confirmed Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division.
The FBI and DOJ obtained one initial FISA warrant targeting Carter Page and three FISA renewals from the FISC. As required by statute (50 U.S.C. §,1805(d)(l)), a FISA order on an American citizen must be renewed by the FISC every 90 days and each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause. Then-Director James Comey signed three FISA applications in question on behalf of the FBI, and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one. Then-DAG Sally Yates, then-Acting DAG Dana Boente, and DAG Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.
Due to the sensitive nature of foreign intelligence activity, FISA submissions (including renewals) before the FISC are classified. As such, the public’s confidence in the integrity of the FISA process depends on the court’s ability to hold the government to the highest standard—particularly as it relates to surveillance of American citizens. However, the FISC’s rigor in protecting the rights of Americans, which is reinforced by 90-day renewals of surveillance orders, is necessarily dependent on the government’s production to the court of all material and relevant facts. This should include information potentially favorable to the target of the FISA application that is known by the government. In the case of Carter Page, the government had at least four independent opportunities before the FISC to accurately provide an accounting of the relevant facts. However, our findings indicate that, as described below, material and relevant information was omitted.
1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.
a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.
b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of—and paid by—the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.
2) The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page’s July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News. Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News—and several other outlets—in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS. Perkins Coie was aware of Steele’s initial media contacts because they hosted at least one meeting in Washington D.C. in 2016 with Steele and Fusion GPS where this matter was discussed.
a) Steele was suspended and then terminated as an FBI source for what the FBI defines as the most serious of violations—an unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI in an October 30, 2016, Mother Jones article by David Corn. Steele should have been terminated for his previous undisclosed contacts with Yahoo and other outlets in September—before the Page application was submitted to the FISC in October—but Steele improperly concealed from and lied to the FBI about those contacts.
b) Steele’s numerous encounters with the media violated the cardinal rule of source handling—maintaining confidentiality—and demonstrated that Steele had become a less than reliable source for the FBI.
3) Before and after Steele was terminated as a source, he maintained contact with DOJ via then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, a senior DOJ official who worked closely with Deputy Attorneys General Yates and later Rosenstein. Shortly after the election, the FBI began interviewing Ohr, documenting his communications with Steele. For example, in September 2016, Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then-candidate Trump when Steele said he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.” This clear evidence of Steele’s bias was recorded by Ohr at the time and subsequently in official FBI files—but not reflected in any of the Page FISA applications.
a) During this same time period, Ohr’s wife was employed by Fusion GPS to assist in the cultivation of opposition research on Trump. Ohr later provided the FBI with all of his wife’s opposition research, paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign via Fusion GPS. The Ohrs’ relationship with Steele and Fusion GPS was inexplicably concealed from the FISC.
4) According to the head of the FBI’s counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its “infancy” at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele’s reporting as only minimally corroborated. Yet, in early January 2017, Director Comey briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was—according to his June 2017 testimony—“salacious and unverified.” While the FISA application relied on Steele’s past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations. Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.
5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok. Strzok was reassigned by the Special Counsel’s Office to FBI Human Resources for improper text messages with his mistress, FBI Attorney Lisa Page (no known relation to Carter Page), where they both demonstrated a clear bias against Trump and in favor of Clinton, whom Strzok had also investigated. The Strzok/Lisa Page texts also reflect extensive discussions about the investigation, orchestrating leaks to the media, and include a meeting with Deputy Director McCabe to discuss an “insurance” policy against President Trump’s election.

It is quite clear the FISA wiretaps were illegally obtained, and done for partisan hacks inside the FBI/DOJ.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...s-memo/552191/

Not much different from Obama using the IRS against his political enemies.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

It is quite clear the FISA wiretaps were illegally obtained, and done for partisan hacks inside the FBI/DOJ.

No it isn't. In fact, it's just rubbish.

Not much different from Obama using the IRS against his political enemies.

Yep, and that was rubbish as well.

It's got to be Booners, he believes any old fucking tosh.

^What part do fail to grasp?
1. Numerous FISA wiretap warrant were obtained.
2. All based on erroneous info based on the Steele dossier.
3. The Steele dossier was political hack job paid for by Clinton.

Pretty cut a dried, you gotta be really thick to pretend this doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's got to be Booners, he believes any old fucking tosh.

That's true but I don't think it's Booners.

Booners is legit retarde... Oh yeah. Good point, well made.

Let the politicos kick their partisan football around all they want. The investigation will go on and findings come out soon enough. Question we should all have is, why is Trump doing everything he can to discredit the investigation and threatening to fire folks unless it is shut down.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

^What part do fail to grasp?
1. Numerous FISA wiretap warrant were obtained.

The only thing you've posted that's true.

2. All based on erroneous info based on the Steele dossier.

Just bollocks.

3. The Steele dossier was political hack job paid for by Clinton.

Nice attempt at bollocks, but still bollocks.

Pretty cut a dried, you gotta be really thick to pretend this doesn't exist

You have to be a complete fucking moron to swallow this bollocks.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The only thing you've posted that's true.




Just bollocks.



Nice attempt at bollocks, but still bollocks.



You have to be a complete fucking moron to swallow this bollocks.

Then you have a better answer for why Carter Page was targeted with FISA wiretaps?

So far you haven't presented squat, to counter the obvious FBI/DOJ improprieties.

Can you back up your rubbish claim with credible links?

The real concern with the information in the memo is to what extent can a political party go to sink an opponent without going to jail.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The only thing you've posted that's true.




Just bollocks.



Nice attempt at bollocks, but still bollocks.



You have to be a complete fucking moron to swallow this bollocks.

Once again you post your thoughts on the credibility of the memo but nothing to back up your claims. No big surprise coming from you.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Then you have a better answer for why Carter Page was targeted with FISA wiretaps?

So far you haven't presented squat, to counter the obvious FBI/DOJ improprieties.

Why was Carter Page an obvious target for surveillance once it became apparent there was a tie between the Trump campaign and Russia?

Oh, I don't know, maybe his visit to Russia where he moaned about the US sanctions on them?

Or perhaps the fact that they knew from 2015 that Russian intelligence was trying to recruit him?

According to the court documents filed in 2015, the F.B.I. secretly recorded Mr. Podobnyy and another Russian operative named Igor Sporyshev discussing efforts to recruit Mr. Page, who was then working in New York as a consultant.
To record their conversations, the F.B.I. inserted a listening device into binders that were passed to the Russian intelligence operatives during an energy conference, according to a former United States intelligence official. The Russians then took the binders into a secure room where they thought they could evade American intelligence eavesdropping attempts.
In a transcript of the conversation included in the court documents, Mr. Podobnyy tells his Russian colleague that Mr. Page frequently flies to Moscow and is interested in earning large sums of money. Mr. Page was apparently interested in striking a deal with Gazprom, the Russian state-run oil firm, according to the transcript. Mr. Podobnyy called Mr. Page an “idiot” but said he was enthusiastic.

He might as well have had a big target on his back.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Once again you post your thoughts on the credibility of the memo but nothing to back up your claims. No big surprise coming from you.

Oh look, the old coffin dodger is trying to keep up.

Good luck with that.

^hardly grounds for one FISA wiretap, not to mention multiple FISA wiretaps.

And to date Mueller has a big fat zero.

mightly yugely obvious this is Clinton sponsored witch-hunt.

Good luck with that, it wont end well for Clinton, Obama, or Mueller.

You might as well go home and have a good cry there Harry!

Repeater and Earl are Trumps base: male; white; old; just simply not very intelligent.

You don’t have to be stupid to believe Trump’s lies but it definitely helps.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

hardly grounds for one FISA wiretap, not to mention multiple FISA wiretaps.

Eh? Two Russian operatives discuss recruiting a guy who often goes to Russia and it's not grounds to check him out with some listening in?

It's always better to err on the side of caution.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

^hardly grounds for one FISA wiretap, not to mention multiple FISA wiretaps.

And to date Mueller has a big fat zero.

You don't know what Mueller's got.

That's what's worrying you enough for you to keep squealing about it all being so unfair.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Then you have a better answer for why Carter Page was targeted with FISA wiretaps?

I certainly do, and have already provided you the answer, dumbshit.

Back in 2013, he was talking with Russians that were spies. The FBI came to him and told him the Russians were sketchy at best and suggested to him that he stop hangin' with them.

Page, being a smart guy, decided the FBI warnings were bullshit and kept on....

Here's something for you to read, Earl...

Carter Page Proves He's a Fuckwit

Originally Posted by CSFFan

I certainly do, and have already provided you the answer, dumbshit.

Back in 2013, he was talking with Russians that were spies. The FBI came to him and told him the Russians were sketchy at best and suggested to him that he stop hangin' with them.

Page, being a smart guy, decided the FBI warnings were bullshit and kept on....

Here's something for you to read, Earl...

Carter Page Proves He's a Fuckwit

I expect the stupid websites Earl reads probably omitted that rather pertinent piece of information to make their "memo" more plausible to knuckle dragging trumpanzees.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Here's where all this shite about Nune's memo stops and starts for those not in the thrall of a pathological liar:

• Nunes was forced to recuse himself from the House investigation after having been caught sneaking to the White House to share information with the people he was supposed to be investigating;
• the memo he authored contains blatant factual inaccuracies;
• he refuses to confirm/deny that it was drafted in concert with the White House;
• Nunes himself admits that he hasn't even read the supporting documents for the FISA warrants... you know, the subject of his memo.

It's clearly a partisan hatchet job, written by a flunky, designed to discredit and obfuscate from a legitimate investigation and you'd have to be of sub-par intelligence to fall for it.

But the fucking brown noser has done irreparable damage to law enforcement. Not only are the intelligence services going to be reluctant to share information but informants are also going to be aware that gobshites like him could threaten their anonymity.

Wanker.

He will get his when Trump inevitably has no further use for him and hangs him out to dry.

But yes you're right, the party-before-country-or-even-basic-human-decency fuckwit has caused damage.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You don't know what Mueller's got.

I know exactly what Mueler's got; a big fat nothing burger.

And some fat and happy worthless lawyers.

The only reason for the investigation was the precious inconsolable Hilarybots could not accept that Hilary Clinton was an absolute shit candidate who was destined to lose.
What a fucking clown show!

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^ another big fat nothing burger... with large side of stupid