Was Jesus a Muslim?

**ceburat** · 05-09-2007, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by ceburat

The Bible is the divinely inspired word of God. There is no contradiction and yes you should take it literarly.

There is and I don't. And if you truely do, why don't you stop beating around the bush and start answering at least some of my questions in post #121 above.

You said there was many discrepancies. I ask you to list them, not ask me silly questions that you have taken from some---whatever.

**kerux** · 05-09-2007, 05:41 PM

No problem - I have had kerux on ignore for as long as I can remember.

Yeah right. And you've got a porno blocker set on high too.

**Whiteshiva** · 06-09-2007, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by ceburat

The Bible is the divinely inspired word of God. There is no contradiction and yes you should take it literarly.

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

There is and I don't. And if you truly do, why don't you stop beating around the bush and start answering at least some of my questions in post #121 above.

You said there was many discrepancies. I ask you to list them, not ask me silly questions that you have taken from some---whatever.

Sigh - read post #121. I even gave you hints, but since you obviously have problems finding your way around the bible, I'll lend you a hand (and I'll use the version of the bible you have referred to, KJV):

1) Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

Matthew states in verse 1.16 that his name was Jacob. ("And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.")
Luke states in verse 3.23 that his name was Heli ("And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli")

2) Which son of David did Jesus descend from?

Matthew states in verse 1.6 that his name was Solomon. ("And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias")
Luke states in verse 3.31 that his name was Nathan. ("Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David")

3) Who was Sheltiel's father?

Matthew 1.12 states that his name was Jechonias ("And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel")
Luke 3.27 states that his name was Neri ("Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri")

OK - enough family tree errors (and there are plenty more!) - how about healing the sick and raising the dead:

4) When Jesus met Jairus, was Jairus’ daughter already dead?

Matthew 9.18 says that she was ("While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.")
Mark 5.23 says that she was not ("And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live.")

5) Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?

Mark 15.33 says that he was on the cross ("15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him. 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.")
John 19.1 states that he was in Pilate's court ("13. When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14. And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!")

Here is another funny one:

6) How did Judas do with his money, and how did he die?

According to Matthew 27.5 he threw the money into the temple and then hanged himself ("And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself")
According to Acts 1.16-18 he bought some land with the money, and then somehow managed to fall and spill his guts all over it (16. Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus 17. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. 18. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

Another one - and I am really keen to hear you explain this one;

7) Does God change his mind, make mistakes and regret what he does?

According to Genesis 6.6 he does ("6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.")
However, according to I Samuel 15.28 & 29, he does not ("18. And Samuel said unto him, The LORD hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou. 19 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent")
But then again, in Exodus 32.14 he does again, as the following is quoted "And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."

Read that last part again - "And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."?????

So - is he steadfast and wise or moody and impulsive? - seems more like the latter to me. How you can reconcile this stuff without objection is just mind-boggling to me.

And a private question Ceburat - As a Christian, do you consider yourself a sinner? As in: do you ever commit sin? Not really interested in the details

, just a yes/no answer. And whatever your answer is, I will disprove it with a bible quote.

**kerux** · 06-09-2007, 07:03 PM

What web site did you copy that post from?

Does God change his mind, make mistakes and regret what he does?

Does God change his mind? Yes, he does.

Does God make mistakes? No, if He did, He wouldn't be God would He?

Please provide us the Hebrew words that were translated into English with the word "repent." I told you you need to study the Scripture not just read it and not just read it in English.

And since you've had me on ignore for as long as you can remember, I won't bother to refute this crap.

Once again, please provide us the link you took this from because I'm quite sure you didn't just go into the Bible and find these verses on your own.

But I will go after this one:

Here is another funny one:

6) How did Judas do with his money, and how did he die?

According to Matthew 27.5 he threw the money into the temple and then hanged himself ("And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself")
According to Acts 1.16-18 he bought some land with the money, and then somehow managed to fall and spill his guts all over it (16. Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus 17. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. 18. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

You failed to quote the entire Matthew 27 passage and you obviously didn't study the passage either.

Matthew 27:3-8

"Then Judas, his betrayer, seeing that he had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, "I have sinned by betraying innocent blood." And they said, "What is that to us? You see to it!" Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself. But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, "It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood." and they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Therefore that field has been called the field of blood to this day."

Acts 1:15-19"And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples (altogether the number of names was about a hundred and twenty), and said, Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus; "for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry." Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. And it became known to all those dwelling in Jerusalem; so that field is called in their own language, Akel Dama, that is field of blood." For most people the two pieces of land referred in the above two passages are identical and the "wages of iniquity" of Acts 1:18 are the thirty pieces of silver of Matthew 27:3-5. However, we have the following reasons to believe that none of these happens:

1. Different buyers

The buyers of the piece of land referred in Matthew 27 were different from the buyer of the piece of land referred in Acts 1. Indeed, the piece of land referred in Matthew, was bought BY THE CHIEF PRIESTS (Matthew 27:6-7). On the other hand, the piece of land referred in Acts was bought by JUDAS (Acts 1:18).

2. Different money

The money that was used for the purchase of the piece of land referred in Matthew 27 was different from the money that was used for the purchase of the piece of land referred in Acts 1. Indeed, the purchase of the former was done with the thirty pieces of silver that Judas threw down in the temple (Matthew 27:5-7). Therefore, the "wages of iniquity" that Judas used to buy his piece of land (Acts 1:18) could not be the thirty pieces of silver, since he threw them down in the temple and therefore it was impossible for him to make use of them. Regarding the identity and the source of the "wages of iniquity", the phrase itself declares money that was obtained unrightseously. The same phrase is also used in II Peter 2:15 where the same Greek words are translated as "wages of unrightseousness". There, the reference is to the gifts that Balaam loved (Numbers 22:7) and for which he disobeyed what God had commanded him1. Generally therefore, the "wages of iniquity" is a title for ill-gotten money. Regarding now our specific case of Judas, John 12:6 makes clear that he "was a thief, and had the money bag; AND HE USED TO TAKE WHAT WAS PUT INTO IT". Therefore, since Judas was a thief that used to take what was put into the money bag, we can easily understand that the ill-gotten money, the "wages of iniquity" of Acts 1:18, was no other than money stolen from the money bag. It was with this money that Judas bought his piece of land.

3. Different Greek words

Another point that makes clear that the two pieces of land are different, is the fact that different Greek words, are used for each of them. Unfortunately this is lost in the English transation that translates both of these pieces as "field of blood". Nevertheless, the Greek text makes clear that only the piece of land referred in Matthew could be characterised as a field. Indeed, the Greek word that is used for this piece is the word "agros" that means "field". However, the Greek word that is used in Acts 1:19 is the word "chorion" that means "a particular place, landed property, estate2". Therefore whereas the priests and the elders bought an "agros", a field, Judas bought a "chorion", a property. Following the Greek text, what the priests bought was called "agros of blood" while what Judas bought was called "chorion of blood".

4. Different reasons for their names

In addition to all the above, the two pieces of land were respectively called "agros of blood" (Matthew 27:8) and "chorion of blood" (Acts 1:19) for different reasons. Indeed, the "agros of blood" that the chief priests bought was called like this because it was bought with the "price of blood" (Matthew 27:7, 9) i.e. with the thirty pieces of silver paid for the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. However, the "chorion of blood" that Judas bought was called like this because Judas committed suicide there (Acts 1:19).

5. Conclusion

From the above it is evident that Acts 1:15-20 and Matthew 27:3-8 speak for two different pieces of land. Matthew 27 speaks for a field, "agros", that was bought by the priests with the thirty pieces of silver that Judas threw down. It was called "agros of blood" because it was purchased with the "price of blood" i.e. with the thirty pieces of silver paid for the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 1 on the other hand speaks for a property, an estate, a "chorion", that was bought by Judas with the "wages of iniquity" i.e. with money stolen from the money bag. It was called "chorion of blood" because Judas committed suicide there.

If you were truly interested in finding the truth you could have done the same thing I did - type in judas field money and find this web site: The Journal of Biblical Accuracy: The two "fields" of blood

From which the explanation given above was taken.

I find it hilarious that people will spend countless hours planning their retirement and their investments for this life, but will go to an atheistic and most likely jewish web site to some unknown nobody and pull out this kind of

and then write God off as someone who is "moody and impulsive."

The world is indeed full of fools.

**Ivor Biggun** · 06-09-2007, 07:08 PM

I think Jesus was actually a racehorse because he was born in a stable and had millions of adoring followers.

**kerux** · 06-09-2007, 07:37 PM

5) Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?

Mark 15.33 says that he was on the cross ("15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him. 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.")
John 19.1 states that he was in Pilate's court ("13. When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14. And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!")

I already refuted this stupid question: John uses Roman time. The Synoptic Gospels use jewish time. That is Roman time starts with 12 midnight and 12 noon as we do today. Jewish time started with sunrise i.e. 6 am with 7 am being the first hour.

A careful study of the times just before and during the crucifixion will reward the student with how perfect the entire gospel account is. Four different authors - one using s different method of time keeping - all completely agree.

this is Bible 101 and it shows what a fool you really are, betting your soul on this crap that has been dealt with a million times already.

**Ivor Biggun** · 06-09-2007, 07:58 PM

Did Jesus have a biographer move around with him, beacause everything he seems to have quoted was recorded ? It really pisses me off to believe any sane person believes in religion of any form.

**kerux** · 07-09-2007, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by oldboy

Did Jesus have a biographer move around with him, beacause everything he seems to have quoted was recorded ? It really pisses me off to believe any sane person believes in religion of any form.

John 21:25

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

I don't believe in a religion. I put my trust in a Person. And I can't believe every sane person doesn't.

**AntRobertson** · 07-09-2007, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

I put my trust in a Person. And I can't believe every sane person doesn't.

A person centuries dead that founded a sect that just happened to catch on with the general public. We could conceivably be celebrating the brithday of Bob Smith who was born under a fig tree in December.

Centuries from now will they be worshipping Coca-Cola because it was more popular than Pepsi? The bible of 'The Real Thing'.

**machangezi** · 07-09-2007, 12:10 PM

Jesus was indeed a Muslim ..... end of story Ceburat.

**ceburat** · 07-09-2007, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by ceburat

The Bible is the divinely inspired word of God. There is no contradiction and yes you should take it literarly.

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

There is and I don't. And if you truly do, why don't you stop beating around the bush and start answering at least some of my questions in post #121 above.

You said there was many discrepancies. I ask you to list them, not ask me silly questions that you have taken from some---whatever.

Sigh - read post #121. I even gave you hints, but since you obviously have problems finding your way around the bible, I'll lend you a hand (and I'll use the version of the bible you have referred to, KJV):

1) Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

Matthew states in verse 1.16 that his name was Jacob. ("And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.")
Luke states in verse 3.23 that his name was Heli ("And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli")

2) Which son of David did Jesus descend from?

Matthew states in verse 1.6 that his name was Solomon. ("And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias")
Luke states in verse 3.31 that his name was Nathan. ("Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David")

3) Who was Sheltiel's father?

Matthew 1.12 states that his name was Jechonias ("And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel")
Luke 3.27 states that his name was Neri ("Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri")

OK - enough family tree errors (and there are plenty more!) - how about healing the sick and raising the dead:

4) When Jesus met Jairus, was Jairus’ daughter already dead?

Matthew 9.18 says that she was ("While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.")
Mark 5.23 says that she was not ("And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live.")

5) Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?

Mark 15.33 says that he was on the cross ("15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him. 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.")
John 19.1 states that he was in Pilate's court ("13. When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14. And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!")

Here is another funny one:

6) How did Judas do with his money, and how did he die?

According to Matthew 27.5 he threw the money into the temple and then hanged himself ("And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself")
According to Acts 1.16-18 he bought some land with the money, and then somehow managed to fall and spill his guts all over it (16. Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus 17. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. 18. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

Another one - and I am really keen to hear you explain this one;

7) Does God change his mind, make mistakes and regret what he does?

According to Genesis 6.6 he does ("6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.")
However, according to I Samuel 15.28 & 29, he does not ("18. And Samuel said unto him, The LORD hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou. 19 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent")
But then again, in Exodus 32.14 he does again, as the following is quoted "And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."

Read that last part again - "And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."?????

So - is he steadfast and wise or moody and impulsive? - seems more like the latter to me. How you can reconcile this stuff without objection is just mind-boggling to me.

And a private question Ceburat - As a Christian, do you consider yourself a sinner? As in: do you ever commit sin? Not really interested in the details

, just a yes/no answer. And whatever your answer is, I will disprove it with a bible quote.

Seems to me that Kerux has sufficiently answered your questions. However, he did not answer the private one put to me.

You asked if I had ever sinned or if I ever commit sin and then you stated, "And whatever your answer is, I will disprove it with a bible quote".

This one statement of yours proves and tells all about you and the Bible. You have no desire to learn of the Bible. You only want to dis-credit the Word of God. So, you do,as do many others, simply parrot what you copy from anti-christian web sites. You do not read, study, or know the Word of God at all. The fact that you will disprove my answer regardless of what I say only proves that you twist, mis-use, the Word of God to satisfy your only foolishness. You are truly in need of the Lord Jesus.

**ceburat** · 07-09-2007, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by machangezi

Jesus was indeed a Muslim ..... end of story Ceburat.

Wishfull thinking on your part Macha

**Whiteshiva** · 07-09-2007, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

Seems to me that Kerux has sufficiently answered your questions. However, he did not answer the private one put to me.

You asked if I had ever sinned or if I ever commit sin and then you stated, "And whatever your answer is, I will disprove it with a bible quote".

This one statement of yours proves and tells all about you and the Bible. You have no desire to learn of the Bible. You only want to dis-credit the Word of God. So, you do,as do many others, simply parrot what you copy from anti-christian web sites. You do not read, study, or know the Word of God at all. The fact that you will disprove my answer regardless of what I say only proves that you twist, mis-use, the Word of God to satisfy your only foolishness. You are truly in need of the Lord Jesus.

So in other words you are dodging all my questions? I am trying to have a discussion here, using a book you (not me) believe in to prove my point, even going so far as to referring to the particular version of the bible that you demanded I use. And yet all you can come up with is this? I must say, for a fundamentalist, you appear remarkably weak in faith or knowledge - or perhaps both.

You are right, I do not know the word of God - simply because I do not believe there is a God. I therefore have absolutely no need to "twist & misuse" the bible, my aim was simply to satisfy my own curiosity, and hopefully engage in a debate with someone with a different view who I thought had some knowledge on the subject. Apparently I was wrong.

It is not the first time that has happened when discussing religion with Christians - they all seem to back off when they people inform them that there is more to their religious books than the standard quotes from the Sunday sermons may indicate. In fact, I have found Muslims a lot more more accommodating in this respect - perhaps because their holy book actually encourages debate, questioning and the seeking of knowledge.

And I do not believe I am in need of Jesus, God or any of the thousands of other supernatural beings that some people claim are out there. If there truly is a just & good God out there, I trust he will have more sympathy for those of us who try to live good lives simply because we think it is the right thing to do, rather than out of fear from divine retribution (or quest for heaveny rewards) after death.

Because that is basically what drives all religious people, right?

Hence I have no fear, and no need for superstitious beliefs. At least not until I see more compelling arguments and evidence than what you have come up with. Or perhaps should I say "failed to come up with"?

**ceburat** · 07-09-2007, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by ceburat

Seems to me that Kerux has sufficiently answered your questions. However, he did not answer the private one put to me.

You asked if I had ever sinned or if I ever commit sin and then you stated, "And whatever your answer is, I will disprove it with a bible quote".

This one statement of yours proves and tells all about you and the Bible. You have no desire to learn of the Bible. You only want to dis-credit the Word of God. So, you do,as do many others, simply parrot what you copy from anti-christian web sites. You do not read, study, or know the Word of God at all. The fact that you will disprove my answer regardless of what I say only proves that you twist, mis-use, the Word of God to satisfy your only foolishness. You are truly in need of the Lord Jesus.

So in other words you are dodging all my questions? I am trying to have a discussion here, using a book you (not me) believe in to prove my point, even going so far as to referring to the particular version of the bible that you demanded I use. And yet all you can come up with is this? I must say, for a fundamentalist, you appear remarkably weak in faith or knowledge - or perhaps both.

You are right, I do not know the word of God - simply because I do not believe there is a God. I therefore have absolutely no need to "twist & misuse" the bible, my aim was simply to satisfy my own curiosity, and hopefully engage in a debate with someone with a different view who I thought had some knowledge on the subject. Apparently I was wrong.

It is not the first time that has happened when discussing religion with Christians - they all seem to back off when they people inform them that there is more to their religious books than the standard quotes from the Sunday sermons may indicate. In fact, I have found Muslims a lot more more accommodating in this respect - perhaps because their holy book actually encourages debate, questioning and the seeking of knowledge.

And I do not believe I am in need of Jesus, God or any of the thousands of other supernatural beings that some people claim are out there. If there truly is a just & good God out there, I trust he will have more sympathy for those of us who try to live good lives simply because we think it is the right thing to do, rather than out of fear from divine retribution (or quest for heaveny rewards) after death.

Because that is basically what drives all religious people, right?

Hence I have no fear, and no need for superstitious beliefs. At least not until I see more compelling arguments and evidence than what you have come up with. Or perhaps should I say "failed to come up with"?

There is no need for me to duplicate what you have already been told. As I told you in my last post, Kerux has already sufficiently answered your questions. My answers would only tell you the same thing.

You are right, most christians back away from you. Why? It is plain to see that you have no interest in God, only debate, argument, whatever. If you want to have serious debate and seriously want to know about God that can be easily arranged. And yes, you do need Jesus.

**AntRobertson** · 07-09-2007, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

If you want to have serious debate and seriously want to know about God that can be easily arranged. And yes, you do need Jesus.

Your interest in "debate" extends to telling people they are stupid because they 'don't understand the bible' or that 'it's true because it's in the bible'.

**Whiteshiva** · 07-09-2007, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

There is no need for me to duplicate what you have already been told. As I told you in my last post, Kerux has already sufficiently answered your questions. My answers would only tell you the same thing.

I don't give a rat's ass what kerux writes, because of his racial bigotry and crap he has posted on TD in the past I simply don't read his posts, and I have never directed my questions to him, and never will.

Originally Posted by ceburat

You are right, most christians back away from you. Why? It is plain to see that you have no interest in God, only debate, argument, whatever. If you want to have serious debate and seriously want to know about God that can be easily arranged. And yes, you do need Jesus.

I have tried to keep this discussion on topic and civil, and have given you every chance to prove or argue your point. You have consistently failed to do so in this thread. I agreed to debate the topic using your holy book to prove my points, you have not once come up with an argument against my claims.

You are damn right I don't want to know about God - I don't believe he exists. I don't know for sure, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered having this debate with you - not much of a debate though, since you are clearly incapable of addressing the topic at hand. Oh yeah of little faith!

And you know what - you seem perfectly capable of describing me and my character in great detail without ever having met me, and only based on the flimsiest of (if any) evidence - and guess what - you are about as wrong as you can get about me.

And that is most likely equally true for your approach to Jesus as well!

**machangezi** · 07-09-2007, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by machangezi

Jesus was indeed a Muslim ..... end of story Ceburat.

Wishfull thinking on your part Macha

Not wishful bro. I'm telling you the truth.

I will prove it once you're done with your Christianity talks.

Give me a bell bro.

**ceburat** · 07-09-2007, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by ceburat

There is no need for me to duplicate what you have already been told. As I told you in my last post, Kerux has already sufficiently answered your questions. My answers would only tell you the same thing.

I don't give a rat's ass what kerux writes, because of his racial bigotry and crap he has posted on TD in the past I simply don't read his posts, and I have never directed my questions to him, and never will.

Originally Posted by ceburat

You are right, most christians back away from you. Why? It is plain to see that you have no interest in God, only debate, argument, whatever. If you want to have serious debate and seriously want to know about God that can be easily arranged. And yes, you do need Jesus.

I have tried to keep this discussion on topic and civil, and have given you every chance to prove or argue your point. You have consistently failed to do so in this thread. I agreed to debate the topic using your holy book to prove my points, you have not once come up with an argument against my claims.

You are damn right I don't want to know about God - I don't believe he exists. I don't know for sure, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered having this debate with you - not much of a debate though, since you are clearly incapable of addressing the topic at hand. Oh yeah of little faith!

And you know what - you seem perfectly capable of describing me and my character in great detail without ever having met me, and only based on the flimsiest of (if any) evidence - and guess what - you are about as wrong as you can get about me.

And that is most likely equally true for your approach to Jesus as well!

You are the one who refuses to read what I write. I told you before and I will tell you again, another way this time. You don't believe in God, The Holy Bible and you even admit to knowing nothing about God or The Bible. You only want to parrot some crap from some anti-website. That is not a debate or discussion.

**ceburat** · 07-09-2007, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by machangezi

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by machangezi

Jesus was indeed a Muslim ..... end of story Ceburat.

Wishfull thinking on your part Macha

Not wishful bro. I'm telling you the truth.

I will prove it once you're done with your Christianity talks.

Give me a bell bro.

you funny

**barbaro** · 07-09-2007, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by machangezi

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by machangezi

Jesus was indeed a Muslim ..... end of story Ceburat.

Wishfull thinking on your part Macha

Not wishful bro. I'm telling you the truth.

I will prove it once you're done with your Christianity talks.

Give me a bell bro.

you funny

How so?

A man offers you to call him up and chat. Why not?

Have a beer if you want with him.

**machangezi** · 07-09-2007, 05:38 PM

Like Milky and I had a year or so ago.

**barbaro** · 07-09-2007, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by machangezi

Like Milky and I had a year or so ago.

Yup.

That was the last time I was in Thailand.

I sure want to visit again.

I've been visiting the U.S. the last two Summers.

I've got to get back to LOS.

**ceburat** · 07-09-2007, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by machangezi

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by machangezi

Jesus was indeed a Muslim ..... end of story Ceburat.

Wishfull thinking on your part Macha

Not wishful bro. I'm telling you the truth.

I will prove it once you're done with your Christianity talks.

Give me a bell bro.

you funny

How so?

A man offers you to call him up and chat. Why not?

Have a beer if you want with him.

You funny was directed at the statement that he would prove that Jesus was a muslim.

I don't drink so the been is out.

I do love paki food. In fact all muslim food. So if we ever do meet, Macha and I, we will go to pig out on me.

**kerux** · 07-09-2007, 09:45 PM

what kerux writes, because of his racial bigotry and crap he has posted

I have never posted any such thing.

I've posted facts about Zionists and black on white crime. Period.

Anyone who does so in this age of political correctness gets labeled a racist.

And no one has refuted a single fact I've posted. What they do do however, is what you have just done, resort to ad hominem.

I have tried to keep this discussion on topic and civil, and have given you every chance to prove or argue your point. You have consistently failed to do so in this thread. I agreed to debate the topic using your holy book to prove my points, you have not once come up with an argument against my claims.

I don't know what others have done. but let's just take one of your 'points.' The difference in the times quoted concerning where Christ was at the sixth hour. I refuted that handily just like I have dozens of other times on dozens of other threads.

since you are clearly incapable of addressing the topic at hand. Oh yeah of little faith!

Ceburat didn't need to, as he well said, I did. As of yet, we've seen no reply. So, who is clearly incapable of addressing the topic at hand?

You are damn right I don't want to know about God - I don't believe he exists.

"Only a fool says in his heart, there is no God."

I do love paki food. In fact all muslim food. So if we ever do meet, Macha and I, we will go to pig out on me.

I thought muslims didn't eat pork?

**FatBoyEric** · 09-09-2007, 09:18 AM

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