Thread: President Donald Trump

Kinda missing the point. It’s irrelevant who presents it.

And the fact this raid was conducted by the FBI based on intel Mueller had handed over indicates there are two separate investigations.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

really doubt mob ties or stormy will be part of the info mueller hands to the house.

Or trump and cohen will be charged with breaking the law over the porn star's payoff.

Oh ... I forgot the juiciest bit ...

But even to obtain a warrant, prosecutors need to convince a judge they have "probable cause of criminal activity" and
they believe they'll find evidence of wrongdoing by conducting a search.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

And the fact this raid was conducted by the FBI based on intel Mueller had handed over indicates there are two separate investigations.

no, as already discussed on the other thread, mueller handed it over to ny because the alleged crime is outside his jurisdiction.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Mueller brought information involving Cohen to Rosenstein, who decided that the inquiry should be handled by federal prosecutors in New York, according to a person familiar with the situation.

Under Justice Department regulations, Mueller must consult with Rosenstein about how to handle evidence and matters that may fall outside his jurisdiction. Mueller is investigating Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, whether anyone close to Trump engaged in collusion and whether Trump sought to obstruct justice.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

maybe, but at some point mueller will present his findings to the house which will consider impeaching trump.

really doubt mob ties or stormy will be part of the info mueller hands to the house.

Kinda missing the point. It’s irrelevant who presents it.

who else would present it?

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

no, as already discussed on the other thread, mueller handed it over to ny because the alleged crime is outside his jurisdiction.

Still missing the point.

Earlier you were querying what it had to do with Mueller’s investigation and now you’re trying to specifically link it to it. If a crime has been committed outside of the scope of Mueller’s remit that doesn’t make it any less of a crime or Drumpf immune from it.

Mueller handed it over and the FBI actioned on it so there are very clearly two investigations now.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

who else would present it?

Whoever investigated it and found wrongdoing, obviously.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

If a crime has been committed outside of the scope of Mueller’s remit that doesn’t make it any less of a crime or Drumpf immune from it.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Whoever investigated it and found wrongdoing, obviously.

so, IYO, the ny prosecutor could charge trump with something, bring him to court and throw him in jail, if guilty?

I wonder if Cohen can ethically continue as trump's personal lawyer..

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

so, IYO, the ny prosecutor could charge trump with something, bring him to court and throw him in jail, if guilty?

If a crime has been committed, sure, why not?

Why would that even be an issue?

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

If a crime has been committed, sure, why not?

Why would that even be an issue?

because of the way the u.s. constitution is written: trump would have to be impeached first in the house, convicted in the senate and then possibly jailed for any crimes.

most legal scholars agree with the above.

though, some are hoping to test your idea up to the supreme court.

could be interesting.

Impeached and then indicted / convicted or indicted / convicted and then impeached... the effect’s the same innit.

Meanwhile Drumpf’s lawyer was still raided today and it’s kinda big news.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

really doubt mob ties or stormy will be part of the info mueller hands to the house.

Kinda missing the point. It’s irrelevant who presents it.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Impeached and then indicted / convicted or indicted / convicted and then impeached... the effect’s the same innit.

yep, though more likely to all go through mueller, IMO.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Meanwhile Drumpf’s lawyer was still raided today and it’s kinda big news.

trump's PERSONAL lawyer, the one that's paid off porn stars got raided today, with the search warrants approved by a trump appointee if I'm not mistaken.

A former U.S. attorney helps Axios readers interpret the raid: "Here’s what must have happened:
Mueller bumped into evidence of criminal conduct that was beyond his scope, so he referred it to the Rod," Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein.

"HUGELY important: Stormy is almost certainly just the tip of the iceberg. Cohen’s lawyer said the [search warrant] was based 'in part' on referral by Mueller. I expect that after getting the initial referral, the SDNY started poking around and developed independent interest for obtaining the SW."

How it likely happened:

• "Rod had the option of expanding Mueller mandate or sending it to the [U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York] — he sent it to the SDNY."
• "The SDNY then looked at the evidence, decided to open an investigation, and ultimately decided that Cohen would have documents relevant to the investigation."
• "The SDNY then decided that Cohen could not be trusted to produce the documents pursuant to subpoena — or else they would’ve just subpoenaed the docs.
• "So they consulted with DOJ, as required — probably Rod — and obtained a search warrant."
• "Which meant they had probable cause to believe that a crime was committed and that Cohen had evidence that was fruit, instrument or evidence of the crime."
• "And with all of what they seized — including electronic evidence — Katie bar the door. Any evidence of any crime they now find is fair game."

.....

The evidence sought by investigators reportedly relates to bank fraud and campaign finance violations, both of which primarily point to one thing. Cohen apparently used a home equity credit line to borrow the $130,000 he paid Stormy Daniels for her silence just weeks before the 2016 election. If Cohen lied to obtain credit from a federally insured financial institution, that is a felony punishable by up to 30 years’ imprisonment. And because the payment was likely an in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign, it could constitute a willful violation of campaign contribution limits, a separate felony punishable by up to five years’ imprisonment.

If the FBI seized evidence showing that Trump directed Cohen’s payment to Daniels, Trump may also have committed a felony violation of campaign finance law. If Cohen and Trump worked together to come up with the scheme, they might also both be guilty of conspiring to commit a campaign finance violation. And if Trump (notwithstanding his recent denial) actually knew that he was the beneficiary of the nondisclosure agreement, he might be guilty of a separate offense—failing to report that asset on his personal financial disclosure form.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...mueller-217841

Originally Posted by raycarey

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...mueller-217841

If Cohen is looking at thirty years in nick he will sing like the proverbial fucking canary.

The full range of locations the FBI raided on Monday in looking for Cohen’s records was not immediately clear. News reports said Cohen’s law office at Rockefeller Center in New York was raided, as well as his Park Avenue apartment. Vanity Fair also reported that agents entered a hotel room Cohen had been using at the Loews Regency Hotel in Manhattan.

In addition, a Washington law firm Cohen had been working with until recently — Squire Patton Boggs — told POLITICO that their relationship had ended, but confirmed that investigators nevertheless contacted the firm about a search warrant for Cohen’s records.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/09/michael-cohen-fbi-records-trump-daniels-510921

Uggghhhh.... Saudi crown prince brags Jared Kushner handed him U.S. intelligence

Trump brought this on himself when he denied knowing about the $130K pay off. He's either lying or Cohen was acting on trump's behalf without his knowledge. Either way it's trouble. Dumb move when you're under investigation.

implicating his lawyer in illegal activity....

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If Cohen is looking at thirty years in nick he will sing like the proverbial fucking canary.

what about lawyer client confidentiality?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

what about lawyer client confidentiality?

It is invalidated if there is evidence the attorney committed a crime. Clearly Cohen and likely trump are in serious trouble.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

what about lawyer client confidentiality?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Your not exactly correct, it is invalidated if there is collusion between the lawyer client to brake the law.

So why bother asking the question.