Thread: President Donald Trump

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

pence? mnuchin? mattis? ross? carson? perry?

yes..

go on, then.

is this what you are just imagining them thinking?

or do you have quotes?

pence? yes...and a heathen as well.

mnuchin? definitely. i have no doubt at all about this.

mattis? of course he thinks trump is a moron. so does kelly for that matter.

ross? while he probably doesn't think he's a moron, i'd wager ross thinks he pulling trump's strings

carson? probably, but maybe not.

perry? compared to perry, trump is an intellectual.

i really don't get all of this "trump is a moron" stuff.

sure, he tweets some dumb stuff, on occasion and it's not "presidential" compared to previous presidents.

but, he beat all the republican field (full of pros) and then defeated hillary (who'd been around d.c. since the early 90s.

sure, ray, you may not like his personality or his views on issues, but he's not a moron.

haven't you seen him speak for hours (without a script) while campaigning?

he's funny, engaging, etc.

as a teacher, i can appreciate that.

before you call him a moron again, think about yourself (raycarey) speaking to a crowd of 10s of thousands, in front of the media and how would you perform, ray?

better than trump?

b.t.w., ray, if you'd like to suggest that trump is a worse president than reagan or johnson, then, of course, you have a point that is worthy of debate.

calling him a moron? compared to whom? you?

And parishoners actually believe this stuff.

This is why democracy is a very flawed system; The average person is dim, and most people are the average.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

i really don't get all of this "trump is a moron" stuff.

sure, he tweets some dumb stuff, on occasion and it's not "presidential" compared to previous presidents.

but, he beat all the republican field (full of pros) and then defeated hillary (who'd been around d.c. since the early 90s.

sure, ray, you may not like his personality or his views on issues, but he's not a moron.

haven't you seen him speak for hours (without a script) while campaigning?

he's funny, engaging, etc.

as a teacher, i can appreciate that.

before you call him a moron again, think about yourself (raycarey) speaking to a crowd of 10s of thousands, in front of the media and how would you perform, ray?

better than trump?

Maybe "moron", by the strictest dictionary definition, is hyperbole, part of every day speech, but the fool is certainly not the sharpest chisel in the toolbox. Don't confuse sly with smart. A fox has cunning, but is hardly a very intelligent animal.
It doesn't take a lot of smarts to know that admitting "covfefe" was a mistake made late at night would have been better than inferring the word was code and had deeper meaning. Only fools believed it. It doesn't take a lot of smarts to sniff the wind of public opinion and act straight away on issues such as denouncing white supremacists, sending aid to Puerto Rico and many other issues where the orange wanker has had to be pressured before acting and in so doing harmed his reputation yet again. Which is a huge irony because it's his reputation that he values the most.
There's dozens of really dumb things he's said. Out of ignorance, mainly. Eg, "Nambia", "Mrs Prayut", what was the one about Hawaii when he was pissed off with a politician from there...something about an island and not part of the US? Something similar about Puerto Rico not being part of the US (and the "an island surrounded by big water" comment) There's dozens more I could google, but you probably can remember some yourself.
No, the guy is not smart at all. Sly, yes, but not smart.

As for him speaking for hours without a script...lol...take any hour of any Trump ad lib speech and break it down, cutting out the repetitions, the nonsensical stuff that makes no sense at all to anyone, and the self-agrandising bluster, and you will probably have nothing left.
No his speeches show him to be a narcissistic fool, not smart.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

he's funny, engaging, etc

He really isn't.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

i really don't get all of this "trump is a moron" stuff.

sure, he tweets some dumb stuff, on occasion and it's not "presidential" compared to previous presidents.

How about embarrassing asshole? Would that be okay with you?

Alluding to war but no explanation....

Washington (CNN)While taking photos alongside military leaders and their spouses before a dinner at the White House, President Donald

Trump made an ambiguous statement, citing "the calm before the storm."

"You guys know what this represents? Maybe it's the calm before the storm," Trump said at the photo op Thursday night, following a meeting with his top military commanders.

When reporters present asked what he meant, Trump replied: "It could be, the calm, the calm before the storm."
Reporters asked if the storm was related to Iran or ISIS.

Trump replied: "We have the world's great military people in this room, I will tell you that. And uh, we're gonna have a great evening, thank you all for coming."

When asked again what he meant, Trump said only: "You'll find out."

Reporters in the room asked for a hint, but Trump concluded the questioning.

"Thank you everybody," Trump said.

The White House has not immediately responded to CNN's request for comment or clarification.
Trump at dinner with military members and spouses: 'Maybe it's the calm before the storm' - CNNPolitics

Talks without thinking and has no idea what he's blathering on about....moron

Assuming that not having such a POTUS the forum here would be quite a boring trip...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Assuming that not having such a POTUS the forum here would be quite a boring trip...

nonsense: have you seen the "show me your repo thread?"...

Originally Posted by Maanaam

And parishoners actually believe this stuff.

This is why democracy is a very flawed system; The average person is dim, and most people are the average.

I assume you include yourself in the average crowd.

Originally Posted by bsnub

It is not hate you bozo it is pointing out complete and utter incompetence. What did you do for a living? I in my life have had several jobs one was as a logistics and supply chain manager for a company traded on the NASDAQ exchange. I dealt with all levels of moving goods for that company. The gross incompetence of this administration is obvious when it comes to assessing and planing by FEMA and the other bodies of bodies of government. Many of which remain hollow do to a lack of appointments. There is no excuse for that.

Anyone that has worked in Operations or Logistics on any large scale corporate level can see it a mile away.

How many times did you have to put your logistics skills to work on an island that 90% of the infrastructure was destroyed?

Originally Posted by uncle junior

the calm before the storm."

Originally Posted by RPETER65

How many times did you have to put your logistics skills to work on an island that 90% of the infrastructure was destroyed?

like tossing paper towels to the crowd, for example what was really needed, of course, were loaves, fishes and a water into wine demo...if only Jebus had been tRump's wide receiver...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I assume you include yourself in the average crowd.

That's a rather silly assumption, if I do say so myself!
I would include you in "the average crowd", but I think that would be being overly generous.

Originally Posted by uncle junior

He really isn't.

He really really isn't.

All the winning, make it stop... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...its-67-in-poll

The conventional wisdom says if any issue is going to doom Donald Trump and his Republican allies in Congress at the ballot box, it will be health care. They have tried over and over to ram through massively unpopular Obamacare repeal bills and failed in spectacular fashion.
But new polling shows Trump’s dismal record on the economy is also contributing to a significant drop in his approval ratings — including from his own supporters.
A poll from Associated Press-NORC shows Trump’s net popularity has plummeted 19 points since March, with his approval rating at a dismally low 32 percent. And even support among his Republican base has cratered from 80 percent to 67 percent.
And while Trump’s approval ratings on health care have fallen from 36 percent to 32 percent, his numbers on the economy have dropped even more substantially.
Trump began his presidency slightly above water on the economy. In March, AP-NORC found 50 percent approved of him on economic policy, versus 48 percent disapproved.
Now, his numbers have dropped to 42 percent approval, versus 56 percent disapproval.
Job growth has slowed, and last month saw the first net private sector job loss since 2010, breaking President Barack Obama’s historic 7-year streak.
Nevertheless, we are nowhere near a recession. But the answer to Trump’s drop in approval on economic matters may simply be that it’s a problem of his own making: He made big promises about the economy which he has not kept.
Despite his long record of bankruptcies, consumer fraud, and refusal to pay his contractors, Trump has spent decades cultivating an image of himself as a successful, brilliant businessman, and this was how he sold himself on the campaign trail.
But nine months into his presidency, Trump has failed to deliver on any of his promises about the economy.
His huge infrastructure plan — which was really just a tax cut for the rich — never happened. His and Ivanka’s childcare plan — which was also really just a tax cut for the rich — never happened. Even if we stretch definitions to the point of absurdity and call his border wall an economic promise, that hasn’t happened either.
The upshot is that for all of Trump’s boasts of his dealmaking prowess, he failed to cut a single deal for the American people. And his worsening poll numbers prove that the American people know it.

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Originally Posted by RPETER65

How many times did you have to put your logistics skills to work on an island that 90% of the infrastructure was destroyed?

You bozo it is called pre-staging and very little of it was done before that storm hit. They had well over a week to start staging supplies, sourcing ships, etc almost none of that was done. This has been the worst response to a hurricane in recent American history maybe ever. Hell they did not even send the hospital ship until several days after the storm hit and it only just arrived three days ago. When the earthquake in Haiti hit America responded almost immediately with 22,000 ground troops to assist and that is a foreign nation. Currently there are barely more than 10,000 troops in PR which is a part of our country.

Thousands of Americans down there are still drinking rainwater. The storm hit 16 days ago. Can you imagine if someplace like Iowa was without drinking water for 16 days? There would be a shit storm.

The US military has massive naval and airlift logistical capacity. More than any country on earth. Ports and airports have been open down there for over a week and a half. The response has been pathetic and anyone who has more than a few brain cells can see it.

As early morning news headlines blared Wednesday that President Donald Trump's top diplomat had insulted the President's intelligence, the man hired by Trump to rein in West Wing chaos found himself caught between his boss and his ally.The President was so furious at the situation, multiple sources told CNN, that chief of staff John Kelly was forced to navigate between two men who are, at this point, fed up with each other.

Kelly suggested to the President in a nuanced way that if Secretary of State Rex Tillerson left, the retired general's own ability to do his job properly could be at risk, sources familiar with the conversation said.

The discussion between the President and his top aide came as whispers about how long Kelly is going to last are getting louder.

"Every day for John Kelly ends in 'why?' Every day is tense," a source close to the President said, referring to the struggles Kelly faces.

The White House initially declined to comment. After publication of this story, a White House spokesperson said: "This story is completely false."

This week's West Wing drama starred Tillerson -- one of Kelly's chief allies within the administration -- who found himself Wednesday on national television publicly proclaiming his loyalty to Trump after reportedly calling him a "moron" in private.

Kelly himself was not pleased when tensions between Trump and Tillerson became public. According to one source with knowledge of the matter, he let it be known "respectfully" that the President needed to "pull back" from his venting about his top diplomat and heed his advice to cool it. They all needed to cool it. Nobody was leaving, except the President to Las Vegas.

Instead of himself going to Las Vegas as he had planned, Kelly stayed behind to "manage" the Tillerson situation and try to control the fallout, according to multiple sources.

Revolving aides

In the game of revolving senior aides and Cabinet members that has become Trump's White House, a new question has emerged: How long will Kelly last?

At Friday's White House briefing, press secretary Sarah Sanders was asked for the first time whether the President still has confidence in Kelly.

Her answer was an unequivocal yes. But the retired general who was brought in to control the daily White House chaos has recently found himself drawn into the very turmoil he was hired to quash.

"Theres no question there's friction in how Kelly approaches how the White House should run and how Trump approaches it," said Leon Panetta, White House chief of staff to President Bill Clinton and former defense secretary who worked closely with Kelly during his time at the Pentagon. "It does make sense to me that John Kelly would try to prevent additional disruption from occurring."

'Military-style order'

When Kelly was brought into the White House to take over for former chief of staff Reince Priebus, headlines blared that Kelly would impose military-style order on a chaotic Trump administration.

He closed the President's open-door Oval Office policy, curated his reading, and limited calls from his longtime outside friends with whom he loves to shoot the breeze. He was organizing, streamlining, controlling.

But less than three months on the job, Kelly is running into the same reality that Priebus faced: There is no controlling or managing Donald Trump.

Since the retired general took the reins, the President has stirred a series of controversies: he rattled the world by warning of "fire and fury" against North Korea; said "both sides are to blame" in violence that included white supremacists; lashed out in a series of tweets at a fellow Republican, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, in personal terms for failing to repeal Obamacare; seized on and stoked the NFL controversy surrounding black players protesting during the National Anthem; and tweeted a video of himself knocking over Hillary Clinton with a golf ball.

Departures this summer of chief strategist Steve Bannon and short-lived communications director Anthony Scaramucci had Kelly's imprimatur, to be sure, but also had the blessing of a powerful family member whom some inside the White House liken as the real chief of staff: Jared Kushner, the President's son-in-law and senior aide.

When Kelly does get public credit for moves like removing problematic aides from the West Wing, or exerting hierarchical control over underlines, it sometimes doesn't go over well with the boss.

"When he gets credit for being the master, Trump doesn't like that," said one source close to the President. "Trump doesn't like being handed a script."

One person close to the President described the Kelly-Trump dynamic as "formal" as the two men continue to test each other's "trust barriers."

The relationship differs, this source says, from the one Trump had with Priebus, who Trump saw as someone he could control and liked on a personal level even though he never fully trusted him because of his ties to the Republican National Committee.

Some say Kelly's efforts have produced few examples of real change -- and few admirers in the White House. Trump himself sometimes points to the executive orders he enacted during the early days of his administration -- without Kelly in charge -- as evidence of his pre-Kelly productivity, according to a person familiar with the situation.

Kelly has plenty of supporters in Washington

Despite some internal criticism about a President whom some consider now too walled-off, Kelly has earned praise from Capitol Hill to the Cabinet for that very style.

"Reince was more reactionary," said a House Republican, who added the President's activities have taken on a more cogent theme and direction.

"But it's a tough job," the source said. "You're not going to change the President."

Trump finds ways to still talk to his friends, despite Kelly's attempts at limitations. One of those friends tells CNN the President has praised Kelly for bringing "discipline to chaos."

And though it is Trump's opinion that matters most, those who know him well know the President has varying opinions and gives differing descriptions of people depending on the day.

Kelly, says another source close to the President, is not the man in charge.

"Kelly's like the janitor," this source says harshly. "He's just the latest guy brought in to clean up."

This source predicts a tenure that lasts months, not years.

Those who know him say Kelly is intent on ensuring the West Wing can operate in a functional manner, even if the President himself hampers matters.

"I think John Kelly is hoping that he can try to protect the people that are rational in their job and at least have some sense of what the good policy is for the country," Panetta said.

Tillerson chaos lays bare Kelly's struggle to manage White House - CNNPolitics

Originally Posted by bsnub

Kelly's struggle to manage White House

Same as Don Quixote's struggle to make Sancho a success.