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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    FYI ... We've had this discussion before but I'll say it again ... WA is barely blue. Just look at the state house which is nearly 50/50 in both reps and Senators.
    SK is correct.

    King County and Pierce and Snohomish county put WA in the blue category.

    Kitsap and Mason country are almost always a blue-dem majority.


    That's why the winner take all gets the 12 EVs.

    As for a sales tax, yes it's true Washington state has a different way to obtain revenue with a higher sales tax and no income tax.

    It's fine with me.

    If you buy things, you'll pay more; if you you don't buy shit, you pay less. Much less.

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    ^ Shits changing bro' ... I'm surprised Kitsap still,goes blue with the number of shipyard workers, military and military retirees. And both my reps are red. Even the old retired battleship Captain couldn't come back and get a seat for the Dems. I'm expecting Derek Kilmer to get some competition in the next 1-2 election cycles. And right now I think it's going to come from the girl (Michelle Caldier) who unseated Larry Seaquist.

    And if WA starts an income tax that will be the final nail in the coffin for me to relocate.

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    hat world do you live in where people still use the word "limey"?

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    Another Butt-hurt loser!

    Comparing Trump to Hitler. Desperation is sounds like!

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    That would be good except the smarmy prepper was the one that brought Hitler into it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    ^ Shits changing bro' ... I'm surprised Kitsap still,goes blue with the number of shipyard workers, military and military retirees. And both my reps are red. Even the old retired battleship Captain couldn't come back and get a seat for the Dems. I'm expecting Derek Kilmer to get some competition in the next 1-2 election cycles. And right now I think it's going to come from the girl (Michelle Caldier) who unseated Larry Seaquist.

    And if WA starts an income tax that will be the final nail in the coffin for me to relocate.
    Good points on Kitsap.

    As for another former leader in the Navy, the former head of the USS Stennis was a good friend of my mother and father and I knew his mother. He retired about 8 years ago or so, went to work for Rand, and then sadly, got Lou Gehrig's disease and pased.

    A credible challenge would be good for Kilmer, but I think he'll be in office until he retires or dies. (He seems alright to me in general.)

    You know more of the state specifics than I do (Caldier and Seaquist).

    Cheers.

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    More fail from Trump the 'anti-establishment outsider' ... Appointing another usual suspect and then to visit Squid bankster from the muppet slayers. JFC!

    Trump Picks Elaine Chao As Transportation Secretary | Zero Hedge

    Trump, Pence To Meet Goldman COO Cohn (After Ex-Goldman Partner Mnuchin Visits Trump Tower) | Zero Hedge

    Should Mnuchin get the nod[for TreasSec], it will certainly elevate his former employer, Goldman Sachs, to its traditional level of being pari passu with the US executive and legislative branch when it comes to decisionmaking. It also would mean that the swamp may be about to get a whole lot deeper.
    Chao is Mrs. Mitch McConnell


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    Elaine Chao is a damn good choice actually. For a start, she was the only Cabinet member of the Bush administration to serve for dubya's entire term, and was also the first Asian American woman to become a Cabinet member. Born in Taiwan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Chao

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Elaine Chao is a damn good choice actually. For a start, she was the only Cabinet member of the Bush administration to serve for dubya's entire term,
    That's the first strike against her then given how badly that admin worked out for the whole world, the second is that she is married to Yertle the Obstructionist Arsehole.

    I wonder what the third will be?

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    To the hardcore trumpets, probably that she's a woman and a chink. So that's four.

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    Trump wants to take away the citizenship of flag burners. I guess he thinks he has been crowned emperor.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/us...smtyp=cur&_r=0

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    Better than waking up one day and finding immigrant filth have invaded, swamped and befouled the nighbourhood - let in by some politically correct extremist nancy-boy or bull dyke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    Better than waking up one day and finding immigrant filth have invaded, swamped and befouled the nighbourhood - let in by some politically correct extremist nancy-boy or bull dyke.
    We're all immigrants in this country you dumb chav. Focus on your own country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Trump wants to take away the citizenship of flag burners. I guess he thinks he has been crowned emperor.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/us...smtyp=cur&_r=0
    There's that football term I'm using again.

    it's called:

    Taking the cheese.

    The USSC has already ruled on this. It's just noise. Don't fall for it.

    WASHINGTON — Since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, politicians have periodically announced with fanfare that they would introduce a bill to strip the citizenship of Americans accused of terrorism. The idea tends to attract brief attention, but then fades away, in part because the Supreme Court long ago ruled that the Constitution does not permit the government to take a person’s citizenship against his or her will.
    Link is in the above post.

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    Now Goldmanite Munchkin is the TreasSec choice...

    Trump Picks Former Goldman Banker Steven Mnuchin As Treasury Secretary | Zero Hedge

    And just like that the swamp feels a little bit more full.
    Meet da new boss...same as da old boss.

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    The devestating cost Trump's policies will have on the poor and working class

    So Trump is already abandoning the people that got him elected. It is clear by his cabinet appointments so far, but it becomes even more clear when you examine his policies. Lets use this thread over the next four years to document the catastrophic cost his presidency will have on poor and working class in America.

    First case in point;


    Already a big gap between Trump’s promises to the middle class and his policies


    During his campaign, President-elect Donald Trump promised that he would take the side of American workers against economic elites when evaluating policy. Yet, the policy proposals he put forth during the campaign had nothing in them that would actually help working- and middle-class Americans. Now that more plans and potential cabinet appointments are coming into focus, it looks worse than many of us thought even before the election. Across a broad range of crucial issues, the incoming Trump administration appears likely to betray the promises he made to the American middle class. Here’s a rough sketch of how.

    Taxes

    Trump’s tax policy proposals are crystal clear about who will benefit the most—and it’s not working- or middle-class families. Despite crowing during the campaign about raising taxes on “hedge fund guys,” the tax plan Trump released raises one small tax on hedge fund guys (eliminating the so-called carried interest loophole), and then gives them a hundred times more back in the form of lower taxes everywhere else. The top 1 percent will get 47 percent of the total benefits in the Trump tax plan, while the bottom 60 percent will get just 10 percent. Worse, large numbers of working-class taxpayers will see tax increases under Trump. Yes, increases. Because that money is needed to make sure that private equity managers can see their top tax rates moved down to 15 percent.



    House Speaker Paul Ryan—who many (not least Speaker Ryan himself) think will end up crafting most of the actual policy to come out of the Trump administration—has a competing tax proposal. Apparently, he thinks it’s important to give an even higher share of tax cuts to the top. The Ryan plan lavishes 76 percent of its total tax benefits onto the top 1 percent of households (the top 0.1 percent, or the top 1/1000th of households, gets more than 47 percent). In the Ryan plan, the bottom 60 percent get less than 5 percent of the total benefits.


    A very large tax cut that delivers an enormous share of the benefits to the richest Americans—with an average cut of at least $1,100,000 to the richest 0.1 percent—will be one of the top priorities of both Trump and the incoming Congress. This should raise a clear red flag about just how much Trump actually cares about the bottom 90 percent.


    People really can’t claim they didn’t see this coming. In the town hall debate with Hillary Clinton, an audience member asked how the candidates would ensure that the richest Americans paid their fair share. Trump’s response? He said he would cut the corporate income tax rate from 35 to 15 percent. Given that the corporate income tax is one of the most progressive parts of our tax code, cutting it absolutely does not hurt rich households.


    Wall Street

    Trump has also promised to end crony capitalism and “drain the swamp,” which might sound to most Americans like he wants to take on Wall Street. If by “take on” you mean “give them everything they want,” then this sounds about right. He has been forthright about repealing Dodd-Frank, which as passed in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis to rein in the risk of big banks and prevent the need for future bailouts. There are criticisms to be made of Dodd-Frank, but the Trump criticism is that it’s just too tough on banks.


    This view is shared by the men mentioned as potential Treasury secretaries in the Trump administration. One name is Jamie Dimon, whose investment bank JPMorgan Chase received a 2008 bailout. In recent years JPMorgan traders have been found guilty of rigging foreign exchange markets. And yet Dimon claims that “banks are under assault” by regulators and that such oversight is essentially un-American.


    Another name that’s been floated for Treasury secretary is Anthony Scaramucci, who thinks that there has been an “irrational demonization of Wall Street over the past 8 years,” and that Wall Street is “filled with integrity.” As for the financial crash of 2008, Scaramucci is clear who is to blame—mostly not Wall Street. The culprit who needs more blame cast upon them, he says, is “frankly, Main Street. Many people overreached in their homes because there was easy money and easy credit.” He hopes the “nonsense” that Wall Street bears primary responsibility for the 2008 financial crash ends with the Trump administration. And he makes it clear that his personal opinion is that Dodd-Frank restricts banking risk excessively (making banking “too, too safe”) and should be repealed.


    Finally, the frontrunner for Treasury seems to be Steve Mnuchin, a Goldman Sachs alum who distinguished himself during the financial crash by buying up the crashed California bank IndyMac, renaming it, and then being found by regulators to have run “unsafe” and “unsound” foreclosure practices as he seized people’s homes.


    If you want an administration where apologists for Wall Street behavior are in charge of regulating banks, then the next four years looks great. If you were hoping for an administration that would be on your side against the banks, then less so. And if you doubt my analysis of how Wall Street-friendly a Trump administration is likely to be, just check out the reaction of banks’ stock prices following the Trump win.


    Medicare and Medicaid

    Americans value Medicare and Medicaid very highly, and rightly so. Millions rely on these programs for health care during tough times (Medicaid) and in retirement (Medicare), and about 40 percent of long-term care in the country is provided by Medicaid. During the campaign, Trump made clear promises to protect these programs from budget cuts. The question going forward, however, is did we elect President Donald Trump or President Paul Ryan?


    Ryan has wanted to voucherize Medicare and radically cut Medicaid for years. He tries to dress up his plans in technocratic language and frame them as “reforms,” but, they’re cuts, period. One would think that the more than 60 times the House has voted to repeal the Medicaid expansions that are part of the Affordable Care Act would provide sufficient proof of this.


    It may be that Trump really does not want to cut these programs. But the question is whether or not he’s attentive and shrewd enough to stop congressional Republicans from doing so.


    The president-elect recently claimed (through a tweet, of course) that he personally convinced Ford to keep one of its production facilities in the United States. This boast has been debunked. But compared to the rest of his trade policy, the efficacy of picking up the phone and calling his CEO friends actually doesn’t look so bad.


    We at EPI have been consistent for years in opposing corporate-driven trade agreements. But Trump’s agenda on trade agreements is nothing more than a vague claim he’ll be able to negotiate “better” trade agreements. His other proposals indicate strongly that he won’t, because he doesn’t know how.


    He might slap large, arbitrary tariffs on imports from countries he doesn’t seem to much like, but this will do little to improve American competitiveness. In fact, if such tariffs encourage foreign producers to set up facilities in the United States to avoid tariffs, create economic weakness in our trading partners, and/or encourage retaliatory tariffs, they will increase America’s trade deficit. A prediction: presuming the economy does not enter recession in the next four years (and there’s no reason it should, absent a huge fumble by the Trump policymaking team), the American trade deficit will be larger, not smaller by 2020.


    The overall economy

    Finally, I should note that Trump is once again in his life inheriting an extraordinarily valuable gift. This time it’s a stable economy that has been sailing steadily towards full employment for years. The unemployment rate has been halved since its post-Great Recession peak. The labor force participation rate stopped falling and has actually nudged up in the past year even as natural demographic changes (retiring Baby Boomers) have been pulling it down. The last year has also seen some evidence of an uptick in wage growth.


    No, we’re not at full employment today—largely because Republicans in Congress and in statehouses around the country have starved the economy of normal levels of spending during the recovery. Without this austerity, we would have reached full employment years ago. But even with no help at all from tax cuts or spending increases, the economy is projected to reach 4.6 percent unemployment or lower by the end of 2017.


    And now that Republicans are in charge, the austerity they forced on the American people will undoubtedly stop. A huge tax cut will add to purchasing power and demand growth in the economy. It will do so incredibly inefficiently, creating about one job for every four that could be created if this money was spent more intelligently. But job creation has to take a back seat as a goal to maximizing the take of the top 1 percent, so, tax cuts for rich households it is. Inefficient stimulus, but lots of it.


    A possible infrastructure plan would also boost growth, so long as its effectiveness was not compromised by the crony capitalism and poor targeting that would result from the Trump proposal’s very odd structure of giving tax credits to private investors, rather than just having state and local governments direct and finance projects. For those hoping that the Trump infrastructure plan would be aimed at helping struggling areas, it is worth noting that a key source of efficiency gains hoped for by the plan’s authors is that private investors are much more willing to cut off necessary services to households in economic distress. They approvingly note that privately-owned water and electrical utilities are much quicker and more willing to turn off services when households cannot pay bills than publicly-owned utilities.


    All in all, the hopes that a Trump administration will stand up to elites on behalf of the broad middle class look well on their way to being dashed. Republicans first priority is cutting $1.1 million tax rebate checks to the top 0.1 percent. A secondary priority is giving away tax credits to private developers while hoping that they might build something useful without the whole endeavor becoming a nest of corruption. A key question is whether or not Trump will be willing to devote the energy and effort needed to stand behind his own words about defending Medicare and Medicaid in the face of the Republican Congress. Their trade plans are pure bluster and as likely to raise as lower the trade deficit. And every single potential appointment floated to run the regulation of banks and Wall Street is on record as arguing that the big problem today is that people and governments are too mean to virtuous financial professionals.


    Maybe I’m wrong (I sure hope so), but the wedge between implied promises and delivered reality to working-class households already looks awfully large, and will likely just grow over time.

    Already a big gap between Trump?s promises to the middle class and his policies | Economic Policy Institute
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    Time to flee while ya can, Snub....

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    Stuff from some leftist blog site as usual.....they could not forcaste his election win...wrote him off totally, but now they know everything he is going to do and predict the outcome for every demographic in the country....

    Donald and friends will bring a new golden age to America, except those parts that he bombs into rubble for voting Democrat. Once the West coast, NY and a few other libtard hotspots are wiped out he can get on with building the new regime and be assured of both the EC vote and popular vote in future elections.

    There may be a few isolated places you can hide out in, for a while, but you need to get out of Seattle very soon and go totally off grid. No more internet forums for you Snubbie........

    PS Remember to take your bong, and a copy of the Communist Manifesto (if that's not too right wing) with you....cheers....

    PPS Take a Bible and a picture of Jesus....if you get caught you can tell them that you're hiding from Clinton death squads...it's worth a try anyway....

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    Today's NYT editorial. His presidency will be a non-stop disgrace to the office.


    Mr. Trump, Meet the Constitution
    The NYT Editorial Board


    When Donald Trump, hand on the Bible on Jan. 20, swears to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, we the people will have good reason to doubt he knows what he’s talking about. Consider what he tweeted out on Tuesday:

    “Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!”

    Here’s where we explain what shouldn’t need explaining. Flag-burning is constitutionally protected free speech. The Supreme Court has made this clear, in a ruling joined by Mr. Trump’s favorite justice, Antonin Scalia. It’s popular to want to punish flag-burners — pandering politicians, including Hillary Clinton, have tried. But the First Amendment exists to protect unpopular, even repulsive forms of expression. As the Supreme Court said in a 1990 decision finding a federal law against flag-burning unconstitutional, “Punishing desecration of the flag dilutes the very freedom that makes this emblem so revered, and worth revering.”

    It’s interesting that so many of the people who are eager to punish flag-burners, like Mr. Trump, are at the same time so untroubled by speech that offends minorities, women and other Americans. They rail against any concern about that kind of speech as “political correctness.” But in this country, flag-burning is about as politically incorrect as anything you can do. Where is their courageous defense of speech now? Isn’t Mr. Trump the man who stood up for the freedom to say brutally unpleasant things? Who said, at the Republican convention: “I will present the facts plainly and honestly. We cannot afford to be so politically correct anymore.”

    The court, by the way, has also declared that citizenship cannot be stripped away, not by Congress or the president, not in this democracy.

    Some may choose to read Mr. Trump’s social-media rants as relatively meaningless — the ramblings of a sleepless id, unmoored from thought or knowledge but tuned to Fox News, which apparently was airing a piece on college flag-burners at about the time Mr. Trump sent his tweet.

    But we don’t have the luxury of merely mocking someone who is now as powerful as Mr. Trump. Before you tune him out, remember what the right-wing propaganda site Breitbart was celebrating on Tuesday — that Mr. Trump’s social-media presence allows him to get his message to millions, bypassing “corporate media.” He has more than 16 million Twitter followers. With Twitter, Facebook and Instagram, he can feed lies and ignorance directly to 36 million people.

    He tweets, he posts, he incites. He trolls. He commands a global platform and will soon be America’s commander in chief. But it has to be said, and said again: This is not normal. It demeans the presidency.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/op...ft-region&_r=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    The USSC has already ruled on this. It's just noise. Don't fall for it.
    Fall for it? My post dispelled the idea as well. You should have read the linked article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    So Trump is already abandoning the people that got him elected. It is clear by his cabinet appointments so far, but it becomes even more clear when you examine his policies. Lets use this thread over the next four years to document the catastroughic cost his presideny will have on poor and working class in America.
    He will be proclaimed by the right as the best President since Reagan no matter what happens during his tenure as President as long as he nominates pro-life jurist to the SCOTUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    Stuff from some leftist blog site as usual.
    Not really.

    The Economic Policy Institute is a 501(c) non-profit American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that carries out economic research and analyzes the economic impact of policies and proposals. The EPI describes itself as a non-partisan think tank that "seeks to include the needs of low- and middle-income workers in economic policy discussions". It is affiliated with the labor movement, and is usually described as presenting a liberal viewpoint on public policy issues. The EPI has a sister organization, the EPI Policy Center, which is a 501(c) organization for advocacy and education. The EPI advocates for policies favorable for low- to moderate-income families in the United States. The EPI also assesses current economic policies and proposes new policies that EPI believes will protect and improve the living standards of working families.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Policy_Institute

    Hardly a blog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper
    He will be proclaimed by the right as the best President since Reagan no matter what happens during his tenure as President as long as he nominates pro-life jurist to the SCOTUS.
    He already has earned that title by appointing millionaires and billionaires to his cabinet. So much for being the champion of the average Joe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    Stuff from some leftist blog site as usual.
    Not really.

    The Economic Policy Institute is a 501(c) non-profit American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that carries out economic research and analyzes the economic impact of policies and proposals. The EPI describes itself as a non-partisan think tank that "seeks to include the needs of low- and middle-income workers in economic policy discussions". It is affiliated with the labor movement, and is usually described as presenting a liberal viewpoint on public policy issues. The EPI has a sister organization, the EPI Policy Center, which is a 501(c) organization for advocacy and education. The EPI advocates for policies favorable for low- to moderate-income families in the United States. The EPI also assesses current economic policies and proposes new policies that EPI believes will protect and improve the living standards of working families.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Policy_Institute

    Hardly a blog.
    Well the piece posted is from the "Working Economics Blog" and offered by somebody called Josh Bivens!! Then other "bloggers" join in to offer their opinions on it......as far as I can tell that would make it a blog.....?

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    "Working Economics Blog"
    So it's some leftist blog then. When koman doesn't like something he attacks it's credibility with derisive comments.

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