Thread: President Donald Trump

Originally Posted by Humbert

Let the grassroots turn on the hate because that’s the

way to manage the different tribes. Start the division, identify the differences of groups, arm both sides and we will be around to watch, on our big screens with our security and popcorn and cheer when everyone of them has his guts cut from his stomach.

POTUSE has been watching the previous lot. Has taken notes and will be discarded by his masters at the appropriate time.

[QUOTE=OhOh;3452805][QUOTE="blue"]

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

We're talking about individuals coming from Yemen. It's OK to have screening,

Screening should either be for all or for none. Not based on what passport one carries.

We agree to disagree. In certain nation-states at certain times I think it's logical to do it - temporarily.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

The Yemen civil war started in 2015

By whom and for what purpose?

Google is your friend.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

To keep it at 0, then vetting must be done

If legal, to all, not just a selection based on whim.

It was not a whim, but carefully done.

Originally Posted by OhOh

As an aside does the POTUSE have any legal requirement upon him to have any of his decrees scrutinised by the Congress or Senate.

He can issue as many executive orders as he likes but they all have to be within the bounds of his constitutional powers, and any one of them can be challenged.

Tell me again why liberals love Muslims so much?
opposites attract or something

Originally Posted by blue

Tell me again why liberals love Muslims so much?
opposites attract or something

Both are, at heart violent fuckwits who subscribe to violent dogma.

Hillary and Obama represent the worst of the worst; darlings of the military industries

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Quote: Originally Posted by Cold Pizza To keep it at 0, then vetting must be done Quote: If legal, to all, not just a selection based on whim. It was not a whim, but carefully done.

Sure.

"With the world (apart from Israel) in uproar over President Trump's decision to ban immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries, Department of Homeland Security official Gillian Christensen just confirmed "[the order] will bar green card holders" and those who hold dual nationality also will be barred. Green cards serve as proof of an individual’s permanent legal residence in the U.S."

Homeland Confirms Trump Immigration Ban Will Include Green-Card Holders & Dual-Nationalities | Zero Hedge



"Following yesterday's statement from a Department of Homeland Security official that "[the order] will bar green card holders", it appears The White House has shifted its view. During an interview of NBC's "Meet The Press", White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus flip-flopped that "as far as green card holders moving forward, [the order] doesn't affect them.""


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...mmigration-ban

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Quote: Originally Posted by Cold Pizza To keep it at 0, then vetting must be done Quote: If legal, to all, not just a selection based on whim. It was not a whim, but carefully done.

Sure.

"With the world (apart from Israel) in uproar over President Trump's decision to ban immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries, Department of Homeland Security official Gillian Christensen just confirmed "[the order] will bar green card holders" and those who hold dual nationality also will be barred. Green cards serve as proof of an individual’s permanent legal residence in the U.S."

This is NOT what even CNN is saying on it's web page.

The above article about banning Green Card holders is incorrect.

And people with dual nationality are NOT banned.


The anonymous writer on Zero Hedge has erred.

Originally Posted by Humbert

“I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”

Not a bad idea when you consider what "today's establishment"represents:

Wars, poisoned food supply., failed drug prohibition, out of control medical costs, air polution, rainforest destruction, the rise of the terrorist state, hopelessly corrupt politics, destruction of countless animal specie, widespread polution of oceans, global human health crisis...et al...

You betcha there is much in the world needing major overhaul,

If you cannot see it, then you are truly beyond stupid!

Donald Trump began his presidency with a blitzkrieg of delusional lies and reactionary edicts. As the president’s mouth laid waste to the concept of objective truth — and his pen tore through Obamacare, abortion rights, sanctuary cities, environmental protection, the fragile hopes of refugees, and, quite possibly, the United Nations — liberals stared slack-jawed at their screens, wishing this was all just some nightmarish reality show.
And, in a sense, it actually may be.


Trump is an expert in spectacle, not governance. Since November 8, he has applied that expertise relentlessly. As president-elect, he cut down on government waste by tweeting angry demands at Lockheed Martin over Twitter — and protected American jobs by presenting corporate-expansion plans drafted before his election as products of his own genius.


These moves were fairly easy to identify as acts of theater, not policy. Once Trump started signing leather-bound documents in the White House, however, it was hard to see the president’s actions as mere photo ops — no matter how many cameras had been crammed into the Oval Office.


But now, it appears those executive orders may have been all sound and fury — signifying more than nothing, but less than they appeared to.
Part of why Trump has been able to dash off executive orders at such a frenetic pace — even as the rest of his transition is woefully behind schedule — is that he has neglected to have them reviewed by relevant cabinet agencies, congressional committees, or legal counsel.


Rather, the documents have been drafted with the consultation of virtually no one but Breitbart mastermind Steve Bannon, and his fellow right-wing nationalist Stephen Miller, according to Politico.


And as it turns out, governing by Breitbart op-ed has its drawbacks. For example, Trump’s executive order on the Keystone XL was drafted without the consultation of the State Department, despite the fact that the company behind the pipeline is suing the U.S. for $15 billion — and aspects of the order could plausibly strengthen the company’s case: Among other things, the order requires any company building a pipeline to use materials manufactured domestically — a provision that may contravene various trade treaties that the U.S. is bound by.


Meanwhile, Trump’s much-ballyhooed order calling for the construction of a border wall — and a tripling of border-enforcement agents — cannot be executed without congressional appropriations that could prove hard to come by. Which is to say, the executive order does not fulfill Trump’s campaign promise, but merely reaffirms his commitment to fulfilling it. Further, Trump’s order stripping funding from sanctuary cities is a legally tendentious proposition, which the administration seems to have asked zero constitutional lawyers to weigh in on.


His order on the Affordable Care Act doesn’t appear to make any “tangible” policy changes, in the view of the Kaiser Family Foundation.


And then there are the drafted executive orders that Trump has yet to sign. One of these would reportedly require agencies to reconsider using interrogation techniques that had been banned as torture — an idea that Defense Secretary James Mattis and CIA Director Mike Pompeo were “blindsided” by, according to Politico. Another would cut U.S. funding to the International Criminal Court by 40 percent — even though the U.S. does not fund the International Criminal Court.
Ultimately, though, the president may care less about whether these executive orders are effective in policy terms, than if they play well in theatrical ones. Per Politico:

Trump, less than a week into his presidency, is continuing the improvisational style he used to run his company, his campaign and his transition. He’s relying on a small circle of trusted advisers to act decisively. And he’s emphasizing the theatrics of autographing official-looking leather-bound documents in the Oval Office.

People familiar with Trump’s planning say he wanted daily events to show supporters he would follow through on the items of his campaign agenda. “He was determined to show people that he’s getting to work from Day One,” one person familiar with his planning said. This person said he wanted to take charge and show his supporters that former President Barack Obama’s tenure was decisively over.

Meanwhile, the congressional GOP is camped out in Philadelphia, waiting for Trump to give them some hint of what his intentions are with regard to actual legislation. The Washington Post reports:

One question among House Republicans is how many of the recommendations within the official House GOP policy blueprint, “A Better Way,” Trump will also take up. Also unclear is how much leverage these Republican lawmakers will have to negotiate with a president who does not like dissent and regularly takes to cable news and Twitter to lash out at critics.

“He’s only been there a couple of days, I get it, but we do need to know this: Is he going to be with us when we go forward? Where does he stand on these issues?” said Rep. Roger Williams (R-Tex.). “There’s a lot of questions we need to ask him so we know where he is, so we don’t go out down the dirt road and he’s going on down the freeway.”

There are at least two ways of interpreting all this: Either Trump hopes to strong-arm the federal bureaucracy and Congress into realizing Steve Bannon’s wildest dreams — or he just wants to execute some well-staged photo-ops while Mike Pence does all that slow boring of hard boards.


Which is to say: Either Donald Trump is the president, or he just plays one on TV.


Trump?s Executive Orders Were Brought to You by Breitbart

Originally Posted by blue

Tell me again why liberals love Muslims so much?
opposites attract or something

They are against any stupid, bigoted twat that thinks all muslims are terrorists.

You know, people like yourself.

It's the sort of stupid populist crap aimed at the mentally impaired.

Toddlers kill more Americans than Islamic terrorism.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Not a bad idea when you consider what "today's establishment"represents

The idea of bringing down the establishment is one thing it is what he wants to replace it with that is horrifying. A fascist far right populist dystopia.

Trump is doing fantastic in his first week,

let's hope he can outdo himself this week

nice one, trump:

Donald J. TrumpVerified account
‏@realDonaldTrump

Following
More
The joint statement of former presidential candidates John McCain & Lindsey Graham is wrong - they are sadly weak on immigration. The two...



Donald J. TrumpVerified account
‏@realDonaldTrump

Following
More
...Senators should focus their energies on ISIS, illegal immigration and border security instead of always looking to start World War III.

Originally Posted by Humbert

The Inevitability Of Impeachment | The Huffington Post

of course, the huffington post would write that as during the campaign they refused to take trump seriously and put stories about him in the entertainment section, along with a disclaimer (on every story) that trump is a sexist, racist, blah, blah, blah.

Originally Posted by Humbert

It's not a matter of 'if'. It's a matter of 'when'.

probably, but he will have done enough damage to force a change in the system

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Trump is "taking action", retarded action to appeal to people with the same IQ as his voters.

He's never been asked how many terrorists have committed terrorism in the US that were from countries outside the US.

If he wants to help make America safer, how about a ban on large magazines for weapons or extreme vetting for who can buy a gun. Surely that will immediately affect how many Americans die every year in the US.

So, knowing ISIS makes no bones about attacks in America and using immigrants to carry out these attacks we need to wait for another twin towers before action is taken?

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Typical libtard response, when myopic fuckwit logic and reason fail, resort to violence, riots, and mindless looting.. Hooouray, HOOORAY!

“I’m a Leninist,” Mr. Bannon was quoted as saying by a writer for The Daily Beast who met him at a party in 2014. He later said he did not recall the conversation. “Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal, too,” the site quoted him as saying. “I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”

Steve Bannon is Mr. Earl's hero.
Oh yeah, longway's too.

Hear say.

A video for the normies here, it will hold no interest for the autistics, Chuck Todd interviews Preibus about the EO temporarily restricting travel from a few counties.

Preibus explains why the countries were chosen, some of misconceptions regarding the restrictons, the possibility of extending the EO to include other countries, the lack of warning and so on.

Originally Posted by Humbert

It's not a matter of 'if'. It's a matter of 'when'.

The Inevitability Of Impeachment

Trump has been trying to govern by impulse, on whim, for personal retribution, for profit, by decree ― as if he had been elected dictator. It doesn’t work, and the wheels are coming off the bus. After a week!
Impeachment is gaining ground because it is the only way to get him out, and because Republicans are already deserting this president in droves, and because the man is psychiatrically incapable of checking whether something is legal before he does it.
Impeachment is gaining ground because it’s so horribly clear that Trump is unfit for office. The grownups around Trump, even the most slavishly loyal ones, spend half their time trying to rein him in, but it can’t be done.
They spend the other half fielding frantic calls from Republican chieftains, business elites and foreign leaders. Trump did what? Poor Reince Priebus has finally attained the pinnacle of power, and it can’t be fun.
It is one thing to live in your own reality when you are a candidate and it’s just words. You can fool enough of the people enough of the time maybe even to get elected. But when you try to govern that way, there is a reality to reality—and reality pushes back.
One by one, Trump has decreed impulsive orders, un-vetted by legal, policy, or political staff, much less by serious planning. Almost immediately he is forced to walk them back by a combination of political and legal pressure—and by reality.
Unlike in the various dictatorships Trump admires, the complex skein of constitutional legal and political checks on tyranny in the United States are holding—just barely at times, but they are holding. And the more reckless Trump’s behavior, the stronger become the checks.
Only with his lunatic effort to selectively ban refugees (but not from terrorist-sending countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt where Trump has business interests) has Trump discovered that the American system has courts. It has courts. Imagine that.
The more unhinged he becomes, the less will conservative judges be the toadies to ordinary Republican policies that they too often have been. Anybody want to wager that the Supreme Court will be Trump’s whore?
In the past week, Republicans from Mitch McConnell on down have tripped over each other rejecting his view of Putin. They have ridiculed his screwball claim of massive voter fraud.
They are running for cover on how to kill ObamaCare without killing patients or Republican re-election hopes. This is actually complicated, and nuance is not Trump’s strong suit. Rep Tom McClintock of California spoke for many when he warned:
“We’d better be sure that we’re prepared to live with the market we’ve created” with repeal, said Rep. Tom McClintock. (R-Calif.)
“That’s going to be called Trumpcare. Republicans will own that lock, stock and barrel, and we’ll be judged in the election less than two years away.”
Sen. Lindsey Graham, mocking Trump’s own nutty tweeting habits, sent out a tweet calling a trade war with Mexico “mucho sad.”
Trump’s own senior staff has had to pull him back from his ludicrous crusade against Mexico and Mexicans, where Trump forces the Mexican president to cancel an official visit one day, and spends an hour on the phone kissing up the next day.
Trump proposed to reinstate torture, but key Republican leaders killed that idea. Sen. John Thune (S.D.), the Senate’s third ranking Republican said Wednesday that the ban on torture was settled law and the Republicans in Congress would oppose any reinstatement. Trump’s own defense secretary holds the same view. After blustering out his new torture policy, Trump meekly agreed to defer to his defense advisers.
All this in just a week! Now capped by federal judges starting to rein him in.
Two weeks ago, in this space, just based on what we witnessed during the transition, I wrote a piece calling for a citizens impeachment panel, as a shadow House Judiciary Committee, to assemble a dossier for a Trump impeachment, and a citizens’ campaign to create a public impeachment movement.
In the two weeks since then, Free Speech for People has launched a citizens’ campaign to impeach Trump. About 400,000 people have already signed the impeachment petition.
The bipartisan group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, (CREW) has been conducting a detailed investigation. Senior legal scholars associated with CREW have filed a detailed legal brief in their lawsuit, documenting the several ways Trump is in violation of the Emoluments Clause, which prohibits a president from profiting from the actions of foreign governments.
There are already plenty of other grounds for impeachment, including Trump’s putting his own business interests ahead of the country’s and his weird and opportunistic alliance with Vladimir Putin bordering on treason. A lesser-known law that goes beyond the Emoluments Clause is the STOCK Act of 2012, which explicitly prohibits the president and other officials from profiting from non-public knowledge.
Impeachment, of course, is a political as well as a legal process. The Founders designed it that way deliberately. But after just a week in office, not only has Trump been deserting the Constitution; his partisan allies are deserting him.
Despite his creepy weirdness, Republicans at first thought they could use Trump for Republican ends. But from his embrace of Putin to his sponsorship of a general trade war, this is no Republican. One can only imagine the alarm and horror being expressed by Republicans privately.
In 1984, the psychiatrist Otto Kernberg described a sickness known as Malignant Narcissism. Unlike ordinary narcissism, malignant narcissism was a severe pathology.
It was characterized by an absence of conscience, a pathological grandiosity and quest for power, and a sadistic joy in cruelty.
Given the sheer danger to the Republic as well as to the Republicans, Trump’s impeachment will happen. The only question is how grave a catastrophe America faces first.

The Inevitability Of Impeachment | The Huffington Post

Huffington post has become Infowars. This Nuttner bloke is hanging on to his sanity with a very slim thread.

There is so much joy, so much winning, i cant believe such joy is possible.

Libtards are making a laughing stock of themselves, they get crazier and more ludicrous everyday!

At this rate 2018 will be a wipeout for them, if they can manage to get through 2017 in one piece that is.

^Coverning your ears and braying nah, nah, nah, nah, nah like a little girl will only work for so long.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Donald J. TrumpVerified account
‏@realDonaldTrump

Following
More
...Senators should focus their energies on ISIS, illegal immigration and border security instead of always looking to start World War III.

This coming from the orange-faced wanker who said America should have more nukes and so should lots of other countries, including Saudi Arabia.