Thread: Venezuela ticking time bomb !

Atlas Shrugged, a 60-year old caution.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Socialism is the future and it will replace capitalism which is not sustainable. The consumption of finite resources, demands of shareholders to constantly make more profit and consolidation caused by deregulation has caused massive wealth concentration. That is your true failed economic system.

The new pills are working, great news.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Agree. The current system of rampant capitalism trickle down economics etc are an unmitigated failure.The alternative to the above is a world slipping into more inequality followed by anarchy and chaos.

Agreed. Capitalism with a strong social safety net (which is really what these so-called "socialist" countries like Denmark, Finland, etc) are is probably the best of both worlds.

No need to be rigid, just take the best of both systems.

The vote is coming, opposition judges detained and assets frozen by Maduro and the economy is schedule to contract 12% this year.

Flash - High noon in Venezuela with strike then vote - France 24

The coming vote will re-write the Constitution and strengthen Maduro's grip on power if his supporters win:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...w-constitution

Other Latin countries are against Maduro also.

MADURO HAS TOSSED the Constitution, cancelled elections of his rule, and this next vote is stacked for his supporters to win the Constituent Assembly.

It's not about the US wanting regime change but Latin America wanting it in addition to the Venezuelan people. Lot Venezuelans fleeing legally and illegallyto colombia, Panama, and the US.

Guess who the rich Venezuelans are in the US and Europe running businesses and sending their kids to overseas universities are: Chavez and Maduro supporters. Where did they get all that money?

Maduro is destroying the country.

^5 forgotten US 'regime changes'

Only up to 1963, there are more since. It's not a new thing.

I am currently living in Trinidad. My wife and I were suppose to go there for a weekend but everybody stopped us and apparently it was the right thing to do!

Originally Posted by moonx

I am currently living in Trinidad. My wife and I were suppose to go there for a weekend but everybody stopped us and apparently it was the right thing to do!

With the election of the "Constituyente" coming I say, "no way Jose."

Stay away....for a while.

^^

One hopes you are not an Election Scrutineer ?

Originally Posted by moonx

I am currently living in Trinidad. My wife and I were suppose to go there for a weekend but everybody stopped us and apparently it was the right thing to do!

No need to go there. SURELY plenty of Venezuelans have escaped to Trinidad...and definitely the brothels.

Welcome aboard Moonx. Are you in the LNG or petroleum industry ?

Originally Posted by OhOh

threatened drastic economic measures if Caracas goes ahead with Constituent Assembly elections

What happened to the USA's much hyped commitment to democracy? They don't even pretend these days.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by OhOh

threatened drastic economic measures if Caracas goes ahead with Constituent Assembly elections

What happened to the USA's much hyped commitment to democracy? They don't even pretend these days.

And as for Venezuela it's not the US's problem, but Venezuela's.

Originally Posted by sabang

What happened to the USA's much hyped commitment to democracy? They don't even pretend these days.

They are worried about the Venezuelans people, aren't they? Have you forget how they were worried about the Afghans, Iraqi, Libyans, you name it.
(and not to forget their worries about Koreans, Vietnamese, in fact of all people...)

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by sabang

What happened to the USA's much hyped commitment to democracy? They don't even pretend these days.

They are worried about the Venezuelans people, aren't they? Have you forget how they were worried about the Afghans, Iraqi, Libyans, you name it.
(and not to forget their worries about Koreans, Vietnamese, in fact of all people...)

The US doesn't care about Venezuela (although that's both of your sarcastic points).

Again, this is about Venezuela.

You can piss and moan about the United States in almost every OTHER thread.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by sabang

What happened to the USA's much hyped commitment to democracy? They don't even pretend these days.

They are worried about the Venezuelans people, aren't they? Have you forget how they were worried about the Afghans, Iraqi, Libyans, you name it.
(and not to forget their worries about Koreans, Vietnamese, in fact of all people...)

The US doesn't care about Venezuela (although that's both of your sarcastic points).

Again, this is about Venezuela.

You can piss and moan about the United States in almost every OTHER thread.

Yes, this is about Venezuela. "The US doesn't care about Venezuela?" Read post No. 121:

Originally Posted by fred flintstone

Trump's response....

U.S. President Donald Trump threatened “strong and swift economic actions” against President Nicolas Maduro’s government if it proceeds with plans for a July 30 election to choose an assembly to retool the constitution. Canada, Mexico, Brazil and the European Union have also come out against the assembly.

“The United States will not stand by as Venezuela crumbles,” Trump said in a strongly worded statement, adding that in that country “courageous actions continue to be ignored by a bad leader who dreams of becoming a dictator.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...286_story.html

"Moaning": Indicate pain, discomfort, or displeasure - yes that's correct to that what I was referring to.
Perhaps you feel it in an opposite way? Then, forgive me if it disturbs your fine feeling...

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by OhOh

threatened drastic economic measures if Caracas goes ahead with Constituent Assembly elections

What happened to the USA's much hyped commitment to democracy? They don't even pretend these days.

And as for Venezuela it's not the US's problem, but Venezuela's.

That's not a very sensible strategy... you want China to get involved in the US's backyard? Were you around in 1962?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

"Moaning": Indicate pain, discomfort, or displeasure - yes that's correct to that what I was referring to.
Perhaps you feel it in an opposite way? Then, forgive me if it disturbs your fine feeling...

Moaning? Fine Feeling? Venezuela? Try this:

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by OhOh

threatened drastic economic measures if Caracas goes ahead with Constituent Assembly elections

What happened to the USA's much hyped commitment to democracy? They don't even pretend these days.

And as for Venezuela it's not the US's problem, but Venezuela's.

That's not a very sensible strategy... you want China to get involved in the US's backyard? Were you around in 1962?

Apples and Oranges.

You can't compare China of today to the USSR during the height of the Cold War. In 1962, nuclear weapons were involved.

This obviously is not the case in Venezuela.

As I've noted I talk with Venezuelans several times per week.

This is note an election or a vote in real terms. It's a rigged game with 545 lower level loyalist that will win in carefully selected areas. This is why the opposition boycotted the "election.

Notice the other countries' stance in bold below in the middle of this article.

Jul 30, 10:44 PM EDT

MANY VENEZUELANS SKIP POLLS TO PROTEST GOVERNMENT VOTE

BY MICHAEL WEISSENSTEIN
ASSOCIATED PRESS

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Venezuelans stayed away from the polls in huge numbers Sunday in a show of protest against a vote to grant President Nicolas Maduro's ruling socialist party virtually unlimited powers in the face of a brutal socio-economic crisis and a grinding battle with its political opponents and groups of increasingly alienated and violent young protesters.

The government swore to continue its push for total political dominance of this once-prosperous OPEC nation, a move likely to trigger U.S. sanctions and new rounds of the street fighting that has killed at least 125 and wounded nearly 2,000 since protests began in April.

Venezuela's chief prosecutor's office reported 10 deaths Sunday in clashes between protesters and police across the country. Seven police officers were wounded when a fiery explosion went off as they drove past piles of trash that had been used to blockade a street in an opposition stronghold in eastern Caracas.

A list of nations including Argentina, Canada, Colombia, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Spain, Great Britain and the United States said they would not recognize Sunday's vote. The Trump administration again promised "strong and swift actions" against Venezuelan officials, including the 545 participants in the constitutional assembly, many of them low-ranking party members. The U.S. did not say whether it would sanction Venezuelan oil imports, a measure with the potential to destabilize Maduro's government and deepen the country's humanitarian crisis.

Across this capital of more than 2 million people, dozens of polling places were virtually empty, including many that have seen hours-long lines of thousands voting to keep the government in power over the last two decades. At the Poliedro sports and cultural complex in western Caracas, several thousand people waited about two hours to vote, many drawn from opposition-dominated neighborhoods where polling places were closed. But at least three dozen other sites visited by The Associated Press had no more than a few hundred voters at any one time, with many virtually empty.

Opposition leaders had called for a boycott of the vote, declaring it rigged for the ruling party, and by late afternoon they were declaring the low turnout a resounding victory. Organizers said preliminary results from observers placed in nearly every Venezuelan municipality indicated a small fraction of the turnout seen in previous elections had voted.

"It's very clear to us that the government has suffered a defeat today," said Julio Borges, president of the opposition-controlled but largely powerless National Assembly. "This vote brings us closer to the government leaving power."

Results had not been announced by late Sunday, but Diosdado Cabello, the ruling socialist party's first vice president, proclaimed that there was a "record" turnout that would surprise the opposition. He called Sunday's vote "a moral and ethical victory over the right wing."

Maduro called the vote for a constitutional assembly in May after a month of protests against his government, which has overseen Venezuela's descent into a devastating crisis during its four years in power. Thanks to plunging oil prices and widespread corruption and mismanagement, Venezuela's inflation and homicide rates are among the world's highest, and widespread shortages of food and medicine have citizens dying of preventable illnesses and rooting through trash to feed themselves.

The winners among the 5,500 ruling-party candidates running for 545 seats in the constituent assembly will have the task of rewriting the country's constitution and will have powers above and beyond other state institutions, including the opposition-controlled congress.

Maduro made clear in a televised address Saturday that he intends to use the assembly not just to rewrite the country's charter but to govern without limitation. Describing the vote as "the election of a power that's above and beyond every other," Maduro said he wants the assembly to strip opposition lawmakers and governors of constitutional immunity from prosecution - one of the few remaining checks on ruling party power.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...07-30-00-18-21

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

A list of nations including Argentina, Canada, Colombia, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Spain, Great Britain and the United States said they would not recognize Sunday's vote.

I presume that Kingdom of Tonga will not recognize either...

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

A list of nations including Argentina, Canada, Colombia, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Spain, Great Britain and the United States said they would not recognize Sunday's vote. The Trump administration again promised "strong and swift actions" against Venezuelan officials, including the 545 participants in the constitutional assembly, many of them low-ranking party members. The U.S. did not say whether it would sanction Venezuelan oil imports, a measure with the potential to destabilize Maduro's government and deepen the country's humanitarian crisis.

Wondering whether a country will say they do not recognize the vote for US health care?

Allegedly some locals made it to the polling stations, despite the foreign supported thugs trying to deny them their democratic right to vote.

Venezuelans Pack Streets to Cast Vote in Constituent Assembly | Multimedia | teleSUR English

https://cafe-babylon.net/2017/07/30/...mbly-election/