Thread: The Kaaba....Makkah

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

You betray your intellectual myopia through this pathetic attempt to hijack this thread for you Bush bashing agenda with unsubstantiated rhetoric

LOL, my intellectual myopia!? I'm not hijacking anything, merely pulling you up what is cearly a bit of Islam-bashing.

If you can't handle being taken to task on it, don't say it. Pretty simple concept really. Does you even less credit now to try and claim it's trolling or a "Bush bashing agenda". You might also want to go back to your Theasaurus and check the meaning/usage of "unsubstantiated rhetoric".

I started this thread because it seems to me rather ignorant and stupid behavior in the name of Muhammad. Such behavior is clearly endemic of the Muslim world.
AntyR why would you choose to defend such appalling stupidity?
This is not Islam bashing it is "stupidity bashing".
Do you view the Taliban as "freedom fighters"? You know those "brave" fellows who take women hostage and strap bombs to themselves.

Originally Posted by machangezi

^ Not surprised with your way of thinking.

I'm sorry the irony of my statement was lost on you. I surrender!

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I started this thread because it seems to me rather ignorant and stupid behavior in the name of Muhammad. Such behavior is clearly endemic of the Muslim world. AntyR why would you choose to defend such appalling stupidity? This is not Islam bashing it is "stupidity bashing". Do you view the Taliban as "freedom fighters"? You know those "brave" fellows who take women hostage and strap bombs to themselves

Actually I think your motivation behind starting this thread is abundantly clear - it just differs from what you state however.

You chose to use this example as being indicative of the "ignorant" and "stupid" behavior "endemic of the Muslim world". I'm not defending anything, merely illustrating that you're being less than even-handed. In a nutshell you've made one heck of a whole in the side of your glass-house by throwing stones.

If you were truly engaged in "stupidity bashing" as you claim, then there are - as I said in the first place - many, many adjuncts that you could use from Christianity. But you seem to have conveniently ignored those.

And I fail to see what the Taliban has to do with any of this, that's one wild leap you've taken there. I suppose that’s the ‘with us or against us’ mentality is it?

And by the way, your ‘clever’ little name editing/calling has been noted. And will also be duly ignored.

^We all know the frailties of Christianity. I'm neither advocating or denying christian faith.
The topic as clearly stated is in regard to the Kaaba and the associated "stupidfest". Yet you choose to side tract the topic on a Bush/Christian bashing agenda. WTF do you have trouble focusing on a topic? Are simply looking at the world through Al Gore/Micheal Moore colored glasses?
AntyR when you gestate an original thought check back in, otherwise STFU! Or start your own thread!

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

^We all know the frailties of Christianity. I'm neither advocating or denying christian faith. The topic as clearly stated is in regard to the Kaaba and the associated "stupidfest". Yet you choose to side tract the topic on a Bush/Christian bashing agenda. WTF do you have trouble focusing on a topic? Are simply looking at the world through Al Gore/Micheal Moore colored glasses? AntyR when you gestate an original thought check back in, otherwise STFU! Or start your own thread!

Somehow I just knew that you'd quickly devolve into ad hominem 'debate'. Glad to see you haven't disappointed...

Well I’ve checked and then checked again just to be sure, yep this is the “Issues” section of the forum.

Perhaps, Earl, if you want to spout some bigoted nonsense you’d be better served doing it somewhere where there’s no recourse? Because the irony in your repeatedly calling me a troll in this thread – which has only one clear purpose – just because I’m taking you to task on passing judgment on the entire Islamic world using nothing more solid than a base of gross generalizations (I’m going to go out on a limb here actually… do you even know any Muslims, Earl?) is not lost on me.

I actually laughed at the fact that you even went to the bother of ‘redding’ me simply because I happen to have disagreed with you. Not used to people with opinions or simply don’t like hearing them? Bet you’re a bundle of fun to talk to down at the pub…

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

when you gestate an original thought check back in

When you learn to espouse anything other than the party-line propaganda let me know. I'll be waiting. In the meantime don't forget to check under your bed every night for Reds, oops, I mean Muslims...

Originally Posted by Mr.Earl

I just have to wonder about a faith that is exigent of the practice of mindlessly marching around a big black box!

First of all millions of people, a you say March, around Kabba every year and it has been happening since the beginning of Islam. It is called Tawaf, where they march around kabba 7 times and chant prayers. Imagine millions of people from all over the world doing it together..... it shows that we are all the same in the eyes of the lord.

Hajj ritual consists of series of activities each designed to teach a particular lesson to the Muslims.... it's a spiritual thingy Earl I know it's difficult for you to grasp.

Originally Posted by machangezi

First of all millions of people, a you say March, around Kabba every year and it has been happening since the beginning of Islam. It is called Tawaf, where they march around kabba 7 times and chant prayers. Imagine millions of people from all over the world doing it together..... it shows that we are all the same in the eyes of the lord.

So apparently after 1200 years trampling one another is considered normal!

Hajj ritual consists of series of activities each designed to teach a particular lesson to the Muslims.... it's a spiritual thingy Earl I know it's difficult for you to grasp.

A message of peace, love and spiritual magnanimity no doubt!

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

when you gestate an original thought check back in

When you learn to espouse anything other than the party-line propaganda let me know. I'll be waiting. In the meantime don't forget to check under your bed every night for Reds, oops, I mean Muslims...

You got a red for the unsubstantiated off topic rhetoric in post #10.

I don't need to invent any derogatory rhetoric for Islam, the fundamentalists do it for me.

Can you show me another faith that measures up to the stupid tricks we have witnessed committed in the name of Allah lately?

I'm not sure I know of another religion where if you decide to convert you are condemned to death! Peace and harmony say what!

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

You got a red for the unsubstantiated off topic rhetoric in post #10. I don't need to invent any derogatory rhetoric for Islam...

Here's the thing, Earl... you really shouldn't be using terms such as "unsubstantiated" much less in conjunction with "rhetoric. It really shows you have little concept nor grasp of irony when you've done little else in this thread but pass judgment over an entire religion/belief system using nothing more than gross generalisation(s). It hasn't escaped my notice that you didn't answer as to if you even knew any Muslims - it likewise didn't surprise me either.

Something else you seemingly fail to grasp (apart from a sense of the ironic, obviously) is that yours is the exact type of attitude that adds to problems instead of constructively helping them.

You seem utterly unable to see the shades of grey, instead viewing everything in black & white. Simplistic is the word I think. Basically, Earl, you cannot comprehend of anyone disagreeing with you I think. I don’t think you take it very well at all actually. And that's why you gave me the red.

In 'The World According to Earl’ anyone who does must be a 'terrorist sympathizer', 'Michael Moore watching liberal' or whatever other name you dream up at the time. Well sorry to disappoint fella, but that speaks volumes about your close-mindedness (and immaturity) more than it does anything or anyone else. It's not what you'd call intelligent either.

So I’ll leave you to it, rant away to your hearts content. In my opinion I just don’t think you’re capable of conducting reasonable debate (much less willing too, if this thread is indicative of anything). Clearly my mistake for presuming otherwise in the first instance. Certainly not a mistake I’ll be repeating.

Earl what do you know about Islam and Kabbah?

Originally Posted by machangezi

Earl what do you know about Islam and Kabbah?

This should be interesting...




... And short.

What everyone knows about Islam these days it's the bane of modern civilization...

^ You're Earl?

If that's what you know about Islam then you know no shit.

^^^^Some things aren't grey.
Such as murderous fanaticism.
Such things you cannot equivocate.
People like you and Michael Moore will equivocate the murders of Daniel Pearl, Neil Berg and Paul Johnson.
I sincerely doubt the Korean ladies held hostage in Afghanistan are seeing any shade of grey right now. It must be very black indeed.
My so called ranting is based on observation of fact.
So far you have presented nothing but misguided "feelings".
It is a great mistake to view Islamic extremism as something benign.
It is neither benign nor isolated. It has become the worldwide plague of our times.
Well intentioned equivocation such as yours only helps to validate it's existence.

Originally Posted by machangezi

Earl what do you know about Islam and Kabbah?

And what is your point?
That because I'm not a scholar of Islam I'm not permitted to observe what is going on in the world??

Can you deny most hostage taking and suicide bombing is done by Islamic extremists?

Originally Posted by Earl

People like you and Michael Moore will equivocate the murders of Daniel Pearl, Neil Berg and Paul Johnson.

Not sure about Michael Moore but as far as I know myself, I still say it was barbaric act. Any human in his full senses would not do such shit.

Me thinks you know a lot about me.

I sincerely doubt the Korean ladies held hostage in Afghanistan are seeing any shade of grey right now. It must be very black indeed.

Mhz and I discuss this everyday. Everytime we speak about this abduction we simply swear at the Talibans. Talibans are animals and must be erased.

By the way, it's not all ladies.

My so called ranting is based on observation of fact.

Your observation? The world would go down the shitters if we have a few thousand observers like you, BM and HTG.
So according to your observation 1.5 billion Muslims planned 9/11?

So far you have presented nothing but misguided "feelings".

Such as?

It is a great mistake to view Islamic extremism as something benign.

Hang on! Which one is the problem? Islam or Islamic extremism? I hope you know the difference. Are you confusing Islamic extremism with Islam?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by machangezi

Earl what do you know about Islam and Kabbah?

And what is your point?
That because I'm not a scholar of Islam I'm not permitted to observe what is going on in the world??

Can you deny most hostage taking and suicide bombing is done by Islamic extremists?

Now what's the thing that's bothering you? Islam or Islamic extremism?

Originally Posted by machangezi

^ You're Earl?

If that's what you know about Islam then you know no shit.

no shit Sherlock..
Are you drinking and posting Macha?

Originally Posted by machangezi

Now what's the thing that's bothering you? Islam or Islamic extremism?

I'll let you take a wild guess!
I'll give you a clue! "Paul Johnson". Do you know who he was?

Originally Posted by machangezi

Mhz and I discuss this everyday. Everytime we speak about this abduction we simply swear at the Talibans. Talibans are animals and must be erased.

By the way, it's not all ladies.

The 23 church volunteers -- 18 women and five men -- were seized on the main road south from Kabul last week

I'm sorry, how very inaccurate and prejudiced of me.
I think they already killed two men. so now it's 18 to 3.
What a bunch of brave freedom fighters!

So we, who are always right, can invade and occupy their countries, and this is fair game. But any violence in return is barbaric. We can blatantly lie about the reasons why, we can continue an officially illegal occupation for over 40 years, but thats OK. Yet a resistance movement is terrorism.

We can use cluster bombs, white phosporus, widespread aerial bombing and destruction of infrastructure, and this is liberation. But a car bomb or suicide bomber is not understandable resistance, it is Islamic extremism and barbarism.

We kill untolds many more of them than they kill us, but thats OK because we are white, right, and christian. They have no right of resistance, or to kill in return.

We are amazed that our 'enlightened' policies produce such violence and barbarism in return. We are under threat from Islam, even though they have not invaded any of our countries in anyones living memory. We however are occupying three of theirs, threatening military action against another, and have bombed several others in recent history.

Ever heard the maxim, 'how ye sow so shall ye reap'?

Originally Posted by sabang

Ever heard the maxim, 'how ye sow so shall ye reap'?

Perhaps Ye should learn about the spread of Islam

And ye about the spread of Christianity!

Christians aren't indiscriminately using suicide bombers to murder civilians.
Christians aren't taking and executing hostages in the name of "jesus".

Hopefully you are capable of such fine distinctions!