Thread: Israel will never withdraw from Golan Heights - Netanyahu

They would give the whole world a lot less reason to hate Israeli's and Israel, if they were to cease the brutal and illegal occupation of Palestine.

Like the current President of Israel, I'm an advocate of the one state solution these days. Like the previous President, Shimon Peres, I would point to the many and manifest benefits to Israel and the Israeli's when the situation is normalised. Or, when it comes down to it, do they just have this deep psychological need to be Hated?

Possibly after 4,000 years the Jewish majority of Israel has decided to protect their own interests looking back at history.

But thank you for your concern , Mr "Peace in our time" Chamberlain.

Originally Posted by sabang

They would give the whole world a lot less reason to hate Israeli's and Israel, if they were to cease the brutal and illegal occupation of Palestine.

Like the current President of Israel, I'm an advocate of the one state solution these days. Like the previous President, Shimon Peres, I would point to the many and manifest benefits to Israel and the Israeli's when the situation is normalised. Or, when it comes down to it, do they just have this deep psychological need to be Hated?

Indeed - two state solution is based up the western partition principal which lets face has never worked. A one state solution which is the desire for most palestinians as well who basically just want to live a fair and equal life at peace has so many benefits, and mostly for the Jewish population of israel. However the reason that everyone is pushing for the 2 state is that it is un-achievable, and whilst that is being endlessly debated and negotiated, Bibi and his bunch of psychos can continue with their land grabs and ethic cleansing unabated until such a time as they have a single state... with no arabs left.

Wonder if the people of the world will wake up soon enough to stop this happening? If this thread is anything to go by, I doubt it.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Neverna

Let me make it easier for you to comprehend, ENT.

Originally Posted by ENT

The remaining 23% of British mandate Palestine was then further divided by the UN (1947) to create the State of Israel,

The highlighted part = rubbish/nonsense/fiction.

I'll make it easier for you,.... you can read the pictures instead of trying to read.

So go look at the 1947 map of the UNO proposed state of Israel.

You can look at pictures if you want, ENT, but it won't turn your fiction into fact.

Of course if the Syrians and the other camel Jockeys had won the 6 day war they would not have taken Israeli land

Correct pseu. This thread was about the Golan Hgts that Israel has controlled for the past 49 years after the 1967 War.

Israel returned the whole of Sinai to Egypt in exchange for peace accord hoping to provide a vast area with sea access to be settled. Egypt said negatory to Gazans and West Bankers as did Jordan prior.

Think back to how Btitain took control over the territory after WW1 from the Turks with the Sykes-Picot Agreement. Funny how war works because the losers usually get dealt from an uneven deck. Sad reality.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Correct pseu. This thread was about the Golan Hgts that Israel has controlled for the past 49 years after the 1967 War.

Israel returned the whole of Sinai to Egypt in exchange for peace accord hoping to provide a vast area with sea access to be settled. Egypt said negatory to Gazans and West Bankers as did Jordan prior.

Think back to how Btitain took control over the territory after WW1 from the Turks with the Sykes-Picot Agreement. Funny how war works because the losers usually get dealt from an uneven deck. Sad reality.

Yeah and if the Israeli's had lost the 6 day war they would of course been treated sympatheticly and given full rights according to the Geneva convention , yeah sure

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Israeli land

no such thing. How can you take something that dies not exist?

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

This thread was about the Golan Hgts that Israel has controlled for the past 49 years after the 1967 War

Doesn't matter. If you stole my house, you think I would still not be interested in getting it back, even if the courts were sucking your cock scared or in awe of you and your money?

The dehumanisation of arabs - all part of the zionist propaganda so that numpties like you, ent and piwankernoi think they are in the right

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The dehumanisation of arabs - all part of the zionist propaganda so that numpties like you, ent and piwankernoi think they are in the right

The dehumanisation of many Arabs has been carried out quite successfully by the Arabs themselves. Look at the entire ME and show me the love , brother.

You still have never addressed returning the land over to "original inhabitants" the world over... not that that erases what took place 2,000 years ago in Judea forcing out the Jewish population.
It's one 'big circle' that keeps going around , eh.

Show me one country, besides occupied Palestine, where the indigenous people do not have citizenship and basic human rights in their own homeland?

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The dehumanisation of arabs - all part of the zionist propaganda so that numpties like you, ent and piwankernoi think they are in the right

The dehumanisation of many Arabs has been carried out quite successfully by the Arabs themselves. Look at the entire ME and show me the love , brother.

You still have never addressed returning the land over to "original inhabitants" the world over... not that that erases what took place 2,000 years ago in Judea forcing out the Jewish population.
It's one 'big circle' that keeps going around , eh.

I just wonder how many Arabs have killed each other in the last 5 years in their 1,4000 year old war (the Sunni's and the Shia's) in comparison to how many Arabs have been killed by Israeli's? , a huge percentage in favour of the Arab's I would suggest .

Originally Posted by sabang

Show me one country, besides occupied Palestine, where the indigenous people do not have citizenship and basic human rights in their own homeland?

Arabs have voting rights in Israel and there is even Arab MP's in the Knesset And why is it that Hamas in Gaza are 4 years behind schedule in their promised general election ? Here you are Sabang have a chew on this articlehttp://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../arabstat.html

Originally Posted by sabang

They would give the whole world a lot less reason to hate Israeli's and Israel, if they were to cease the brutal and illegal occupation of Palestine.

Like the current President of Israel, I'm an advocate of the one state solution these days. Like the previous President, Shimon Peres, I would point to the many and manifest benefits to Israel and the Israeli's when the situation is normalised. Or, when it comes down to it, do they just have this deep psychological need to be Hated?

The so called " brutal and illegal occupation" of which Palestine?
And by whom?

Killings by both Jews and Arabs from around 1917 until 1947 were roughly equal, as Arabs started to attack legally occupied privately owned Jewish settlements in Palestine.
But which Palestine are we all referring to?

The Balfour Declaration Palestine of Nov. 2nd 1917?

The Mandated Palestine of 1920?

The Palestine of 11th April 1921?

The League of Nations defined Palestine of 24th July 1922?

The Palestine of Yasser Arafat's PLO of 1964?

The State of Palestine ?

The Palestinian territories of Gaza and the West Bank?

We're talking about the Palestine of the League of Nations mandated Palestine, which included trans-Jordania, aka trans-Jordan, (= east of, and across the River Jordan), a largely deserted area previously under Ottoman rule, as was the land west of the River Jordan, now called Israel.

Trans-Jordan was a new state conveniently created by the British in 1921, as an Arab homeland in Palestine, benefitting Britain's Arab allies in WW1, and as an administrative cop-out for for Britain.

It was far easier to dump responsibility for 77% of Palestine on an emerging puppet state ally, the newly created semi-legal entity of the Hashemite Kingdom of trans-Jordan, than to play referee between competing Jewish and Arab interests that were bound to erupt there.

This allowed the British to 'kettle' and control the Jews in the mandated territory to the west bank of the Jordan, while effectively restricting both their immigration into Palestine and their activities there, while Arabs were allowed almost unrestricted freedom of movement throughout all of mandated Palestine.

There was never a country called Jordan before then, all the former Ottoman territory Britain administered under the League of Nations mandate for Palestine was called Palestine, including trans-Jordan, as described in;

The Balfour Declaration was a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. It read:

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

The text of the letter was published in the press one week later, on 9 November 1917. The "Balfour Declaration" was later incorporated into both the Sèvres peace treaty with the Ottoman Empire, and the Mandate for Palestine.

The declaration was in contrast to the McMahon-Hussein correspondence, which promised the Arab independence movement control of the Middle East territories "in the limits and boundaries proposed by the Sherif of Mecca" in exchange for revolting against the Ottoman Empire during World War I.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

That was Britain's quandary, on the one hand a promise to establish a Jewish homeland , in then known Palestine, which included the territory called by the British, "trans-Jordan", while simultaneously promising (in 1915) to gift their Arab allies via King Abdullah, the then Sherif of Mecca, all the mandated territory east of the River Jordan

The remainder, the land west of the River Jordan, to be reserved as a homeland for the Jewish people.


But,

Jordanian occupation of the West Bank refers to the occupation and annexation of the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) by Jordan (formerly Transjordan), during a period of nearly two decades (1948–1967) in the aftermath of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.[1][2] During the war, Jordan's Arab Legion, conquered the Old City of Jerusalem and took control of territory on the western side of the Jordan River, including the cities of Jericho, Bethlehem, Hebron and Nablus.[3] At the end of hostilities, Jordan was in complete control of the West Bank.
Jordan formally annexed the West Bank on April 24, 1950. The annexation was regarded as illegal and void by the Arab League and others. It was recognized only by Britain, Iraq and Pakistan. The annexation of the West Bank more than doubled the population of Jordan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan..._the_West_Bank

Egypt also did its bit in invading and occupying Gaza in 1948 until 1967, and made a complete mess of the place. Israel booted Egypt out in 1967 and developed Gaza into a prosperous area, until Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, giving it over to the Palestinian and Egyptian Arabs living there, who promptly wrecked the place and then had to rely on Israeli aid to survive,as Egypt refused to support their Palestinian brothers there.

So, if the Jews left Palestine/Israel would the Arabs be content with that?

Of course not, from the onset, the Arabs wanted all of Palestine, from the Mediterranean Sea across to Arabia, from the Sinai up to Syria, the whole of British mandate Palestine. THe Arabs wanted the Jews either dead, or out of Palestine altogether.

Muslim Arabs are taught daily that Jews are pigs and evil and so on and must be killed at any opportunity, something Muslims attempt on an almost regular basis.

No matter where the Jews go, Islamofascists will want them killed, as will other anti-Semitic fascists.

Originally Posted by sabang

Show me one country, besides occupied Palestine, where the indigenous people do not have citizenship and basic human rights in their own homeland?

You keep bleating on as if the only indigenous people of Palestine were or are only Arabs, when it's plain to even a blind man that ALL residents of mandated Palestine were and are Palestinians, including Xtians and Jews.

Indigenous? Do you even know the meaning of the word?

^^^So what about occupied Palestine?

^Yes, many Palestinians are Christian- so what? It is the Israeli Jews who are the illegal settlers, and subjecting the place to an illegal and brutal occupation.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Neverna

Let me make it easier for you to comprehend, ENT.

Originally Posted by ENT

The remaining 23% of British mandate Palestine was then further divided by the UN (1947) to create the State of Israel,

The highlighted part = rubbish/nonsense/fiction.

I'll make it easier for you,.... you can read the pictures instead of trying to read.

So go look at the 1947 map of the UNO proposed state of Israel.

You can look at pictures if you want, ENT, but it won't turn your fiction into fact.

Typical Muslim reaction,.....deliberate ignorance.

Originally Posted by sabang

So what about occupied Palestine?

No such thing, other than Arab illegally occupied west bank.

Originally Posted by sabang

^^^So what about occupied Palestine?

^Yes, many Palestinians are Christian- so what? It is the Israeli Jews who are the illegal settlers, and subjecting the place to an illegal and brutal occupation.

Rubbish.

It's the illegal Arab immigrants that have caused and instigated most of the violence in Palestine, ever since they started attacking legally established Jewish settlements in Palestine around the turn of the last century.

^^ A barefaced lie and you know it. The 'west bank' has been continuously occupied for many thousand years.

Why bother with this Hasbara bullshit- everyone knows it is a lie? If Israel wants to keep the place (which it obviously does) it needs to form a combined state, and grant citizenship to the people there.

Again- name another country where the indigenous people do not enjoy basic human rights and citizenship in their own land?

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Neverna

Let me make it easier for you to comprehend, ENT.

Originally Posted by ENT

The remaining 23% of British mandate Palestine was then further divided by the UN (1947) to create the State of Israel,

The highlighted part = rubbish/nonsense/fiction.

I'll make it easier for you,.... you can read the pictures instead of trying to read.

So go look at the 1947 map of the UNO proposed state of Israel.

You can look at pictures if you want, ENT, but it won't turn your fiction into fact.

Typical Muslim reaction,.....deliberate ignorance.

Show your proof. Copy and paste, or post a link to, a document that proves your claim. The UN? Wiki? Surely there must be at least one source (apart from your own creative writings).

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by sabang

So what about occupied Palestine?

No such thing, other than Arab illegally occupied west bank.

and in this sentence, the case of the crown verses Ent was proven. he has been found guilty of being a clueless moron, by reasons of diminished responsibility... In sentencing, the judge will take into account other charges of being a fool, a dick, a racist bigot, as well as having no ability to discern propaganda from facts. \

What an absolute idiot. One would assume he was joking, but alas this is ADL fake history 101

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Israeli land

no such thing. How can you take something that dies not exist?

After 1948 Jordan continuously attacked Israel and finally nicked the Israeli West Bank, annexing it. Egypt did the same with Gaza.

When the Arabs tried to nick some more Israeli land in 1967, they got manked, and lost out big time.

Israel then took back what was theirs, returning to the Arabs all other Arab lands captured from them, except the Golan Heights, naturally, as Syria had been using that strategic vantage point to continually fire rockets into Israeli civilian areas, settlements factories and farms.

Now Israel has the vantage point, but they're not launching any attacks on Syria from there.

Return the Golan to Syria and the Arabs will get at it again, dsending rockets and firing artillery down at civilians once more.

The same with Gaza, as soon as Israel withdrew from there, the sicko Arabs started using the place to launch rockets into Israel, after first trashing the place and making it almost uninhabitable.

Originally Posted by sabang

^^^So what about occupied Palestine?

^Yes, many Palestinians are Christian- so what? It is the Israeli Jews who are the illegal settlers, and subjecting the place to an illegal and brutal occupation.

It would appear that my post 113 and the article in has been completely ignored and you have the nerve to call other members bigots

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by sabang

So what about occupied Palestine?

No such thing, other than Arab illegally occupied west bank.

and in this sentence, the case of the crown verses Ent was proven. he has been found guilty of being a clueless moron, by reasons of diminished responsibility... In sentencing, the judge will take into account other charges of being a fool, a dick, a racist bigot, as well as having no ability to discern propaganda from facts. \

What an absolute idiot. One would assume he was joking, but alas this is ADL fake history 101

Talking of propaganda,..... go back to your mosque and do some mat licking, with your brothers, and share some more of your Muslim 'infinite wisdom' while the imam dictates to you what next week's program is.

Do you wear a towel on your head, or a nighty when ya go out?