Can't accept that. It's like accepting a equal first Fair Play award from Richie mccaw and tana omanga.
Printable View
Can't accept that. It's like accepting a equal first Fair Play award from Richie mccaw and tana omanga.
Shit analogy.
Can't accept that because McCheat and Omanga are a couple of grubs, so their ability to award a fair play award is tainted by the fact that they wouldn'tknow fair play if it bit them on their tattoo'd arse.
Your judgment is tainted by the fact you're English.
You don't know what world class rugby players are.
Yes, correct. It was aptly named Judea by the Romans meaning the land of Jews.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
That was prior to the Romans conquering that land and renaming it while outlawing the freedom of Jews to worship. History is funny that way.
Can't accept that. Rugby was invented by the English, and therefore only we can identify what world class players are like in the same way that only English people can comment on the English language.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
No it wasn't. Judea came from Kingdom of Judah, and Judah was a bloke not a group of people who followed the same religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeCoffee
Yes pseu, Judah (Yehudah) was Jacob's (Yaakov) son and the Kingdom of Judah was one of the Twelve Tribes approx 1500 BCE.
The language was Hebrew and the religion was monotheism 1500 years prior to Romans renaming the territory.
Under your supposition that the "Palestinians" should be bequethed the territory then it has everything to do with South Pacific nations, Australian , New Zealand along with South, Central and North America being returned to their original inhabitants.
The Romans conquered...yet you negate the right of return for the original inhabitants of Judea.
The whole world is a land grab...sadly comes from war and the losers get a raw deal. British Mandate over the territory after WW1...c'est la vie.
Admittingly this has nothing to do with the Golan Hgts.
The Palestine Mandate
The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and
Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and
Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and
Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;
confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:
ARTICLE 1.
The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.
ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.
ART. 3.
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.
ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.
The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.
ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.
ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.
ART. 8.
The privileges and immunities of foreigners, including the benefits of consular jurisdiction and protection as formerly enjoyed by Capitulation or usage in the Ottoman Empire, shall not be applicable in Palestine.
Unless the Powers whose nationals enjoyed the afore-mentioned privileges and immunities on August 1st, 1914, shall have previously renounced the right to their re-establishment, or shall have agreed to their non-application for a specified period, these privileges and immunities shall, at the expiration of the mandate, be immediately reestablished in their entirety or with such modifications as may have been agreed upon between the Powers concerned.
ART. 9.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that the judicial system established in Palestine shall assure to foreigners, as well as to natives, a complete guarantee of their rights.
Respect for the personal status of the various peoples and communities and for their religious interests shall be fully guaranteed. In particular, the control and administration of Wakfs shall be exercised in accordance with religious law and the dispositions of the founders.
ART. 10.
Pending the making of special extradition agreements relating to Palestine, the extradition treaties in force between the Mandatory and other foreign Powers shall apply to Palestine.
ART. 11.
The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.
The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.
ART. 12.
The Mandatory shall be entrusted with the control of the foreign relations of Palestine and the right to issue exequaturs to consuls appointed by foreign Powers. He shall also be entitled to afford diplomatic and consular protection to citizens of Palestine when outside its territorial limits.
ART. 13.
All responsibility in connection with the Holy Places and religious buildings or sites in Palestine, including that of preserving existing rights and of securing free access to the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites and the free exercise of worship, while ensuring the requirements of public order and decorum, is assumed by the Mandatory, who shall be responsible solely to the League of Nations in all matters connected herewith, provided that nothing in this article shall prevent the Mandatory from entering into such arrangements as he may deem reasonable with the Administration for the purpose of carrying the provisions of this article into effect; and provided also that nothing in this mandate shall be construed as conferring upon the Mandatory authority to interfere with the fabric or the management of purely Moslem sacred shrines, the immunities of which are guaranteed.
ART. 14.
A special commission shall be appointed by the Mandatory to study, define and determine the rights and claims in connection with the Holy Places and the rights and claims relating to the different religious communities in Palestine. The method of nomination, the composition and the functions of this Commission shall be submitted to the Council of the League for its approval, and the Commission shall not be appointed or enter upon its functions without the approval of the Council.
ART. 15.
The Mandatory shall see that complete freedom of conscience and the free exercise of all forms of worship, subject only to the maintenance of public order and morals, are ensured to all. No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants of Palestine on the ground of race, religion or language. No person shall be excluded from Palestine on the sole ground of his religious belief.
The right of each community to maintain its own schools for the education of its own members in its own language, while conforming to such educational requirements of a general nature as the Administration may impose, shall not be denied or impaired.
ART. 16.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for exercising such supervision over religious or eleemosynary bodies of all faiths in Palestine as may be required for the maintenance of public order and good government. Subject to such supervision, no measures shall be taken in Palestine to obstruct or interfere with the enterprise of such bodies or to discriminate against any representative or member of them on the ground of his religion or nationality.
ART. 17.
The Administration of Palestine may organist on a voluntary basis the forces necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defence of the country, subject, however, to the supervision of the Mandatory, but shall not use them for purposes other than those above specified save with the consent of the Mandatory. Except for such purposes, no military, naval or air forces shall be raised or maintained by the Administration of Palestine.
Nothing in this article shall preclude the Administration of Palestine from contributing to the cost of the maintenance of the forces of the Mandatory in Palestine.
The Mandatory shall be entitled at all times to use the roads, railways and ports of Palestine for the movement of armed forces and the carriage of fuel and supplies.
ART. 18.
The Mandatory shall see that there is no discrimination in Palestine against the nationals of any State Member of the League of Nations (including companies incorporated under its laws) as compared with those of the Mandatory or of any foreign State in matters concerning taxation, commerce or navigation, the exercise of industries or professions, or in the treatment of merchant vessels or civil aircraft. Similarly, there shall be no discrimination in Palestine against goods originating in or destined for any of the said States, and there shall be freedom of transit under equitable conditions across the mandated area.
Subject as aforesaid and to the other provisions of this mandate, the Administration of Palestine may, on the advice of the Mandatory, impose such taxes and customs duties as it may consider necessary, and take such steps as it may think best to promote the development of the natural resources of the country and to safeguard the interests of the population. It may also, on the advice of the Mandatory, conclude a special customs agreement with any State the territory of which in 1914 was wholly included in Asiatic Turkey or Arabia.
ART. 19.
The Mandatory shall adhere on behalf of the Administration of Palestine to any general international conventions already existing, or which may be concluded hereafter with the approval of the League of Nations, respecting the slave traffic, the traffic in arms and ammunition, or the traffic in drugs, or relating to commercial equality, freedom of transit and navigation, aerial navigation and postal, telegraphic and wireless communication or literary, artistic or industrial property.
ART. 20.
The Mandatory shall co-operate on behalf of the Administration of Palestine, so far as religious, social and other conditions may permit, in the execution of any common policy adopted by the League of Nations for preventing and combating disease, including diseases of plants and animals.
ART. 21.
The Mandatory shall secure the enactment within twelve months from this date, and shall ensure the execution of a Law of Antiquities based on the following rules. This law shall ensure equality of treatment in the matter of excavations and archaeological research to the nationals of all States Members of the League of Nations.
(1) "Antiquity" means any construction or any product of human activity earlier than the year 1700 A. D.
(2) The law for the protection of antiquities shall proceed by encouragement rather than by threat.
Any person who, having discovered an antiquity without being furnished with the authorization referred to in paragraph 5, reports the same to an official of the competent Department, shall be rewarded according to the value of the discovery.
(3) No antiquity may be disposed of except to the competent Department, unless this Department renounces the acquisition of any such antiquity.
No antiquity may leave the country without an export licence from the said Department.
(4) Any person who maliciously or negligently destroys or damages an antiquity shall be liable to a penalty to be fixed.
(5) No clearing of ground or digging with the object of finding antiquities shall be permitted, under penalty of fine, except to persons authorised by the competent Department.
(6) Equitable terms shall be fixed for expropriation, temporary or permanent, of lands which might be of historical or archaeological interest.
(7) Authorization to excavate shall only be granted to persons who show sufficient guarantees of archaeological experience. The Administration of Palestine shall not, in granting these authorizations, act in such a way as to exclude scholars of any nation without good grounds.
(8) The proceeds of excavations may be divided between the excavator and the competent Department in a proportion fixed by that Department. If division seems impossible for scientific reasons, the excavator shall receive a fair indemnity in lieu of a part of the find.
ART. 22.
English, Arabic and Hebrew shall be the official languages of Palestine. Any statement or inscription in Arabic on stamps or money in Palestine shall be repeated in Hebrew and any statement or inscription in Hebrew shall be repeated in Arabic.
ART. 23.
The Administration of Palestine shall recognise the holy days of the respective communities in Palestine as legal days of rest for the members of such communities.
ART. 24.
The Mandatory shall make to the Council of the League of Nations an annual report to the satisfaction of the Council as to the measures taken during the year to carry out the provisions of the mandate. Copies of all laws and regulations promulgated or issued during the year shall be communicated with the report.
ART. 25.
In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions, and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18.
ART. 26.
The Mandatory agrees that, if any dispute whatever should arise between the Mandatory and another member of the League of Nations relating to the interpretation or the application of the provisions of the mandate, such dispute, if it cannot be settled by negotiation, shall be submitted to the Permanent Court of International Justice provided for by Article 14 of the Covenant of the League of Nations.
ART. 27.
The consent of the Council of the League of Nations is required for any modification of the terms of this mandate.
ART. 28.
In the event of the termination of the mandate hereby conferred upon the Mandatory, the Council of the League of Nations shall make such arrangements as may be deemed necessary for safeguarding in perpetuity, under guarantee of the League, the rights secured by Articles 13 and 14, and shall use its influence for securing, under the guarantee of the League, that the Government of Palestine will fully honour the financial obligations legitimately incurred by the Administration of Palestine during the period of the mandate, including the rights of public servants to pensions or gratuities.
The present instrument shall be deposited in original in the archives of the League of Nations and certified copies shall be forwarded by the Secretary-General of the League of Nations to all members of the League.
Done at London the twenty-fourth day of July, one thousand nine hundred and twenty-two.
The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate
In early 1921, prior to the convening of the Cairo Conference, the Middle East Department of the Colonial Office set out the situation as follows:Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Distinction to be drawn between Palestine and Trans-Jordan under the Mandate.
His Majesty's Government are responsible under the terms of the Mandate for establishing in Palestine a national home for the Jewish people.
They are also pledged by the assurances given to the Sherif of Mecca in 1915 to recognise and support the independence of the Arabs in those portions of the (Turkish) vilayet of Damascus in which they are free to act without detriment to French interests. The western boundary of the Turkish vilayet of Damascus before the war was the River Jordan.
Palestine and Trans-Jordan do not, therefore, stand upon quite the same footing. At the same time, the two areas are economically interdependent, and their development must be considered as a single problem. Further, His Majesty's Government have been entrusted with the Mandate for "Palestine."
If they wish to assert their claim to Trans-Jordan and to avoid raising with other Powers the legal status of that area, they can only do so by proceeding upon the assumption that Trans-Jordan forms part of the area covered by the Palestine Mandate.
In default of this assumption Trans-Jordan would be left, under article 132 of the Treaty of Sevres, to the disposal of the principal Allied Powers. Some means must be found of giving effect in Trans-Jordan to the terms of the Mandate consistently with "recognition and support of the independence of the Arabs".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis..._Jewish_people
The British army census of Palestine was a farce with underestimations of illegal Arab Muslim immigrants abounding.
There are really no reliable figures from that period between 1922 and 1948, other than that there were 1.3 million Muslims and around 650,000 Jews in British mandate Palestine which includes Transjordan, in 1948, according to the British figures.
1914........94,000 Jews 70,000 Xtians 525,000 Muslims Total pop. = 689,000
1922........84,000 " 71,000 " 589,000 " " 752,000
1931......175,000 " 89,000 " 760,000 " " 1,033,000
1947......630,000 " 143,000 " 1,181,000 " " 1,970,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...y_of_Palestine
Bear in mind that all the Jews in the above figures lived only in mandated Palestine west of the Jordan, while Arab/Muslims counted lived on both sides of the Jordan, as did Xtians.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeCoffee
Bequeathed? What a funny way to put it. Almost surreal. If you were in your condo and a load of pakis moved in upstairs, then started knocking their way into your flat, raping your wife and kids along the way, killing your dog, so that you were eventually locked in the shower and couuld only survive on the pitiful calory counted rations pushed into the room, with daily beatings, no running water, no sanitation, no medication, no nothing.... how would you feel if some dick said that you getting your condo back was the pakis "Bequeathing it to you?
It is theirs. They are still there under brutal occupation. That occupation needs to end.
bequeathed - fucker swallowed a dictionary, but can't read or understand it because he is trying to see it by sticking his head up his arse.
:chitown::chitown:
Ahhh Coffee Coffee Coffee. :rolleyes::smileylaughing:
All pointless waffle pseudo.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
And there's no brutal occupation going on in Israel, the little Arabs are well looked after there. :)
scary thing is that you probably believe that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ENTAll pointless waffle pseudo.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
And there's no brutal occupation going on in Israel, the little Arabs are well looked after there. :)
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2016/04/935.jpg
Nice peace loving lady protesting. What for? For peace? No, in her suppory for a brainwashed idf kiddie who murdered an injured man lying prostate on the ground, she demands that all Arabs are killed. She is the VIcTIM after all. Not that long ago that germans were holding similar signs up calling for the death of all jews - oh the irony, .
I suppose its safe to say that one could argue till the cows come home as to who signed what donkeys years ago and how the Israeli's acquired the Golon Heights and as to why they intend to keep it , however there is one simple fact that IMHO supersedes any notion that one could think of and that is the Israeli's and the West share a common enemy ,Islam , only the pathological haters of Jews such as a few choice members of TD cannot grasp this simple fact , the Word JIHAD means just the same to Israeli's as it does to the Western Infidels .
[QUOTE=pseudolus;3252940]
It is theirs. They are still there under brutal occupation. That occupation needs to end./QUOTE]
With your keen insight you've lost me.:confused:
Where exactly are you referring to...the Americas...Australia...New Zealand...Tibet...or Israel ?
I'll make it easier for you,.... you can read the pictures instead of trying to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaLet me make it easier for you to comprehend, ENT.
The highlighted part = rubbish/nonsense/fiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
So go look at the 1947 map of the UNO proposed state of Israel.
[QUOTE=PeeCoffee;3253066]And pre 1967 and the six day war with Israel the Jordanian Govt had a brutal occupation of the West Bank and the Egyptian Govt had a brutal occupation of Gaza:) .and BTW today there is not one Israeli occupied dwelling in the whole of Gaza , as the Israeli's moved out en masse in 2005 giving it back to the Hamas hoping for peace ,of course this was just a pipe dream ,cos as I have said a hundred times before that to think that the Palestinian Israeli problem is just about land is sadly deluded http://www.npr.org/2005/07/29/477535...lout-from-gazaQuote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
This article just adds credence to my opinion that the disputed land in the ME is just an excuse to keep the pot boiling with Islamic hatred for the Israeli's , when in essence what they really want is complete and total annihilation of the Jews ,one only has to read the Hamas Charter or covenant to figure that one out Articles: Why Muslims Must Hate Jews
They would give the whole world a lot less reason to hate Israeli's and Israel, if they were to cease the brutal and illegal occupation of Palestine.
Like the current President of Israel, I'm an advocate of the one state solution these days. Like the previous President, Shimon Peres, I would point to the many and manifest benefits to Israel and the Israeli's when the situation is normalised. Or, when it comes down to it, do they just have this deep psychological need to be Hated?
Possibly after 4,000 years the Jewish majority of Israel has decided to protect their own interests looking back at history.
But thank you for your concern , Mr "Peace in our time" Chamberlain.
Indeed - two state solution is based up the western partition principal which lets face has never worked. A one state solution which is the desire for most palestinians as well who basically just want to live a fair and equal life at peace has so many benefits, and mostly for the Jewish population of israel. However the reason that everyone is pushing for the 2 state is that it is un-achievable, and whilst that is being endlessly debated and negotiated, Bibi and his bunch of psychos can continue with their land grabs and ethic cleansing unabated until such a time as they have a single state... with no arabs left.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Wonder if the people of the world will wake up soon enough to stop this happening? If this thread is anything to go by, I doubt it.
You can look at pictures if you want, ENT, but it won't turn your fiction into fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by ENTI'll make it easier for you,.... you can read the pictures instead of trying to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaLet me make it easier for you to comprehend, ENT.
The highlighted part = rubbish/nonsense/fiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
So go look at the 1947 map of the UNO proposed state of Israel.
Of course if the Syrians and the other camel Jockeys had won the 6 day war they would not have taken Israeli land :rolleyes: :rofl:
Correct pseu. This thread was about the Golan Hgts that Israel has controlled for the past 49 years after the 1967 War.
Israel returned the whole of Sinai to Egypt in exchange for peace accord hoping to provide a vast area with sea access to be settled. Egypt said negatory to Gazans and West Bankers as did Jordan prior.
Think back to how Btitain took control over the territory after WW1 from the Turks with the Sykes-Picot Agreement. Funny how war works because the losers usually get dealt from an uneven deck. Sad reality.
Yeah and if the Israeli's had lost the 6 day war they would of course been treated sympatheticly and given full rights according to the Geneva convention , yeah sure :smileylaughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeCoffee
no such thing. How can you take something that dies not exist?Quote:
Originally Posted by piwanoi
Doesn't matter. If you stole my house, you think I would still not be interested in getting it back, even if the courts were sucking your cock scared or in awe of you and your money?Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeCoffee
The dehumanisation of arabs - all part of the zionist propaganda so that numpties like you, ent and piwankernoi think they are in the right
:rofl:
The dehumanisation of many Arabs has been carried out quite successfully by the Arabs themselves. Look at the entire ME and show me the love , brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
You still have never addressed returning the land over to "original inhabitants" the world over... not that that erases what took place 2,000 years ago in Judea forcing out the Jewish population.
It's one 'big circle' that keeps going around , eh.:chitown:
Show me one country, besides occupied Palestine, where the indigenous people do not have citizenship and basic human rights in their own homeland?
I just wonder how many Arabs have killed each other in the last 5 years in their 1,4000 year old war (the Sunni's and the Shia's) in comparison to how many Arabs have been killed by Israeli's? , a huge percentage in favour of the Arab's I would suggest .Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeCoffeeThe dehumanisation of many Arabs has been carried out quite successfully by the Arabs themselves. Look at the entire ME and show me the love , brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
You still have never addressed returning the land over to "original inhabitants" the world over... not that that erases what took place 2,000 years ago in Judea forcing out the Jewish population.
It's one 'big circle' that keeps going around , eh.:chitown:
Arabs have voting rights in Israel and there is even Arab MP's in the Knesset :) And why is it that Hamas in Gaza are 4 years behind schedule in their promised general election ? Here you are Sabang have a chew on this articlehttp://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../arabstat.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by sabang
The so called " brutal and illegal occupation" of which Palestine?Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
And by whom?
Killings by both Jews and Arabs from around 1917 until 1947 were roughly equal, as Arabs started to attack legally occupied privately owned Jewish settlements in Palestine.
But which Palestine are we all referring to?
The Balfour Declaration Palestine of Nov. 2nd 1917?
The Mandated Palestine of 1920?
The Palestine of 11th April 1921?
The League of Nations defined Palestine of 24th July 1922?
The Palestine of Yasser Arafat's PLO of 1964?
The State of Palestine ?
The Palestinian territories of Gaza and the West Bank?
We're talking about the Palestine of the League of Nations mandated Palestine, which included trans-Jordania, aka trans-Jordan, (= east of, and across the River Jordan), a largely deserted area previously under Ottoman rule, as was the land west of the River Jordan, now called Israel.
Trans-Jordan was a new state conveniently created by the British in 1921, as an Arab homeland in Palestine, benefitting Britain's Arab allies in WW1, and as an administrative cop-out for for Britain.
It was far easier to dump responsibility for 77% of Palestine on an emerging puppet state ally, the newly created semi-legal entity of the Hashemite Kingdom of trans-Jordan, than to play referee between competing Jewish and Arab interests that were bound to erupt there.
This allowed the British to 'kettle' and control the Jews in the mandated territory to the west bank of the Jordan, while effectively restricting both their immigration into Palestine and their activities there, while Arabs were allowed almost unrestricted freedom of movement throughout all of mandated Palestine.
There was never a country called Jordan before then, all the former Ottoman territory Britain administered under the League of Nations mandate for Palestine was called Palestine, including trans-Jordan, as described in;
The Balfour Declaration was a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. It read:
"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
The text of the letter was published in the press one week later, on 9 November 1917. The "Balfour Declaration" was later incorporated into both the Sèvres peace treaty with the Ottoman Empire, and the Mandate for Palestine.
The declaration was in contrast to the McMahon-Hussein correspondence, which promised the Arab independence movement control of the Middle East territories "in the limits and boundaries proposed by the Sherif of Mecca" in exchange for revolting against the Ottoman Empire during World War I.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
That was Britain's quandary, on the one hand a promise to establish a Jewish homeland , in then known Palestine, which included the territory called by the British, "trans-Jordan", while simultaneously promising (in 1915) to gift their Arab allies via King Abdullah, the then Sherif of Mecca, all the mandated territory east of the River Jordan
The remainder, the land west of the River Jordan, to be reserved as a homeland for the Jewish people.
But,
Jordanian occupation of the West Bank refers to the occupation and annexation of the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) by Jordan (formerly Transjordan), during a period of nearly two decades (1948–1967) in the aftermath of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.[1][2] During the war, Jordan's Arab Legion, conquered the Old City of Jerusalem and took control of territory on the western side of the Jordan River, including the cities of Jericho, Bethlehem, Hebron and Nablus.[3] At the end of hostilities, Jordan was in complete control of the West Bank.
Jordan formally annexed the West Bank on April 24, 1950. The annexation was regarded as illegal and void by the Arab League and others. It was recognized only by Britain, Iraq and Pakistan. The annexation of the West Bank more than doubled the population of Jordan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan..._the_West_Bank
Egypt also did its bit in invading and occupying Gaza in 1948 until 1967, and made a complete mess of the place. Israel booted Egypt out in 1967 and developed Gaza into a prosperous area, until Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, giving it over to the Palestinian and Egyptian Arabs living there, who promptly wrecked the place and then had to rely on Israeli aid to survive,as Egypt refused to support their Palestinian brothers there.
So, if the Jews left Palestine/Israel would the Arabs be content with that?
Of course not, from the onset, the Arabs wanted all of Palestine, from the Mediterranean Sea across to Arabia, from the Sinai up to Syria, the whole of British mandate Palestine. THe Arabs wanted the Jews either dead, or out of Palestine altogether.
Muslim Arabs are taught daily that Jews are pigs and evil and so on and must be killed at any opportunity, something Muslims attempt on an almost regular basis.
No matter where the Jews go, Islamofascists will want them killed, as will other anti-Semitic fascists.
You keep bleating on as if the only indigenous people of Palestine were or are only Arabs, when it's plain to even a blind man that ALL residents of mandated Palestine were and are Palestinians, including Xtians and Jews.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Indigenous? Do you even know the meaning of the word?
^^^So what about occupied Palestine?
^Yes, many Palestinians are Christian- so what? It is the Israeli Jews who are the illegal settlers, and subjecting the place to an illegal and brutal occupation.
Typical Muslim reaction,.....deliberate ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaYou can look at pictures if you want, ENT, but it won't turn your fiction into fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by ENTI'll make it easier for you,.... you can read the pictures instead of trying to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaLet me make it easier for you to comprehend, ENT.
The highlighted part = rubbish/nonsense/fiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
So go look at the 1947 map of the UNO proposed state of Israel.
No such thing, other than Arab illegally occupied west bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
It's the illegal Arab immigrants that have caused and instigated most of the violence in Palestine, ever since they started attacking legally established Jewish settlements in Palestine around the turn of the last century.
^^ A barefaced lie and you know it. The 'west bank' has been continuously occupied for many thousand years.
Why bother with this Hasbara bullshit- everyone knows it is a lie? If Israel wants to keep the place (which it obviously does) it needs to form a combined state, and grant citizenship to the people there.
Again- name another country where the indigenous people do not enjoy basic human rights and citizenship in their own land?