Exterminate, Purge ? what did you think Egypt ,Syria and Jordan have in mind when they made a 3 pronged attack on Israel in 1967 ,to sell them Double glazing units ?:smileylaughing:
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Thanks for your considered response.
What is necessary self-defence, you ask.
Well, the Palestinians throw stones at occupying military and are condemned and/or shot for it, while Israel forcibly takes over swathes of land, chasing out the non-Jew inhabitants and is condoned for it.
You ignore that Israel has stable treaties with both Jordan and Egypt.
You also ignore that, although self-defence is warranted, it is not warranted when it is pre-emptive and at the expense of a third party.....That's like saying you would agree that I should come over to your house, punch you in the nose and steal your gun, and move the fence posts back into your yard, all because I believed that you might one day attack me.
You're saying that, as my next door neighbour, if your kids stood on your upper story balcony and threw stones on my roof, instead of throwing stones back at them, I should take over your balcony and claim it as mine. You'd accept that on the grounds of my argument that the kids might go onto the balcony again and throw stones again.
China's comments are a screaming joke! So are yours. Brute force? WTF?
Look at China's record of brute force murders, land acquisition and human rights abuses throughout China, Xinxiang Tibet and the South China Seas, glaring examples of Chinese hypocricy and fraud, while Russia's annexing of the Crimea shows up their hypocrisy. US and Britain have have no moral high ground to stand on after their rapes of Iraq and Libya
Meanwhile, Arab attacks on Israeli civilians and soldiers are an almost daily event, with suicidal youngsters wanting to go to lalaland through murder and Gaza schoolkids perform plays enacting murders of Jews.
The toothless, inept UN Security Council's made up of ;
China, an imperialist land grabber, France and UK, both initiated the Palestine carve up, so have no moral right to vote on the issue either, Russia and the United States bombing the hell out of Syria and want the Golan oil.
All the above are major arms dealers and have power of veto, so control the UN;
While;
Angola =USA and China dependent
Egypt =Muslim
Japan = USA toady
Malaysia = Muslim
New Zealand = PC
Senegal = Muslim
Spain = anti Israel, Jew basher
Ukraine = bi-valent EU wannabee
Uruguay = pro Israel
Venezuela = pro-Arab
A nicely balanced non-partisan bunch elected to rule on global peace and security eh?
Thanks for your considered response.
What is necessary self-defence, you ask.
(a)Well, the Palestinians throw stones at occupying military and are condemned and/or shot for it, while(b) Israel forcibly takes over swathes of land, chasing out the non-Jew inhabitants and is condoned for it.
(c)You ignore that Israel has stable treaties with both Jordan and Egypt.
(d)You also ignore that, although self-defence is warranted, it is not warranted when it is pre-emptive and at the expense of a third party.....That's like saying you would agree that I should come over to your house, punch you in the nose and steal your gun, and move the fence posts back into your yard, all because I believed that you might one day attack me.
(e)You're saying that, as my next door neighbour, if your kids stood on your upper story balcony and threw stones on my roof, instead of throwing stones back at them, I should take over your balcony and claim it as mine. You'd accept that on the grounds of my argument that the kids might go onto the balcony again and throw stones again.[/QUOTE]
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a) What kind of parent sends their kids out into the street to play in the traffic, or in this case to throw stones at and provoke authorities? Meanwhile adults (not kids) join in too, and rocks can kill, thrown at soldiers, civilians or vehicles.
So how are those attacks to be curbed? By asking the Arabs nicely to cease and desist? That's been tried over and again through meetings with local Arab leaders, but to no avail.
The 'shoot the stone throwers' directive is aimed at anyone engaging in stone throwing, Arab and Israeli.
https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif
These aren't "kids" throwing stones, they're thugs.
b)Israel's land acquisition laws make 93% of Israeli held land state owned, the remainder is privately owned, mainly by various religious groups.
c)I didn't mention the Jordanian and Egyptian pacts with Israel as they have proven to be the least troublesome Arab neighbours in recent times,with no real current conflicts to comment on.
d)No, I didn't say that, nor is your analogy close to my meaning. An example of a pre-emptive strike by Israel was Israel's bombing of Egypt in 1967, as Egypt poised to invade Israel. It was fully justified in light of the ensuing war.
In the Golan situation, Syria had already attacked Israel from the Golan, so removing Syria's strike capability by pushing them further back out of range of Israeli civilian settlements was fully justified, as the UN and the rest of the world did nothing to stop Syria's intended murder of Israeli men, women and children.
e) The same argument as in (d),...justifiable self-defence.
What person in their right mind would take on a fully trained and armed IDF soldier with a couple of rocks? , or indeed take on a soldier with an automatic weapon with a knife? ,its a lose lose situation , but Hamas encourages them to do so cos it's great PR if a Pali gets shot, a Martyr for the cause? , more like grist to the mill , life means SFA to them thats why they use Human shields and in the past have used suicide bombers , there would have been peace some time ago if it was up to PAL president Mahmoud Abbas, thats why the Hamas say Abbas is a traitor , don't believe me? Why not Google up "Hamas say PAL President Mahmoud Abbas is a traitor" there's quite a few articles to go at :)
Are you blind to the fact that the Golan was used by Syria to exterminate Israelis in the Galeel?
Have you also forgotten that the Arabs supported Nazi Germany in their push to exterminate all Jews?
So who are the Nazis? Obviously the Islamofascist bloc are, having driven out nearly all Jews and Xtians out of their homelands in Arab states in the last generation.
Nazi style persecution of all non-Muslims is a corner-stone of Islamic jihad, not only in Muslim lands, but in any land at all, and the sooner that pogrom is halted, by any means, the better.
Israel's never had a policy of extermination against any race, as you so claim, in fact the opposite as Israel is home to many Palestinian Arabs, and gives both material and medical aid to Arabs from Gaza, Jordan, Syria, Egypt and other Muslim dominated countries.
Israel's securing of the Golan after Syria's continuous campaign of shelling civilians in the Galee,l and Syria and Jordan's joint efforts in diverting the headwaters of the Jordan away from Israel, came after failed negotiations to halt that program.
Just to substantiate your claim that Israel gives asylum and medical assistance to Palestinians fleeing Gaza, here is the Video which of course will not be watched by certain members who appear to have all the answers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoH19b1TrZo
I don't think Muslims know about those things. :)
Just to add credence to your post saying that the Islamic Arab leader the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem met up with Hitler to discuss the "Jewish problem" or "final solution "The Truth About the Grand Mufti, Hitler and the Holocaust | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com
Yes - the UN are toothless. So you agree that every one of the 60+ resolutions passed by the UN against israel should be enforced? Cut them off, regime change? Ony country in the world that can ignore so many UN resolutions and get away with it. Seems like the UN approves of their ethnic cleansing?Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
What ethnic cleansing?
Israel's 8.5 million population includes 20% Arab and 5% other ethnic groups.(aprox)
You got that wrong as usual, as it's a deliberate piece of mis-information.
The Arab/Muslim population of British mandated Palestine in 1922 was 78.3% of the total population of the whole mandated territory of Palestine.
A far cry from your plucked out of the air figure of 88%, which I can only suppose you claim to be that of Arabs living only in Israeli Palestine, while in fact most of those Arabs counted were living on the more fertile plains of Arab Transjordan.
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"The Demographic history of Palestine refers to the study of the historical population of the region of Palestine, defined as the modern State of Israel, Jordan and the Palestinian territories, or the territory defined by the borders of the 1923-48 Mandatory Palestine."
Year...........Jews....Christians..Muslims.....Tot al
1914...........94........70..........525.......... ...689
1922...........84........71..........589 ............752
1931..........175....... 89..........760...........1,033
1947......... 630.......143.......1,181...........1,970
Estimates by Sergio DellaPergola (2001), drawing on the work of Bachi (1975). Figures in thousands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...ficial_reports
As the report says, the census was of the total area of British mandate Palestine including Transjordan, not simply that little slice called Palestine, later the state of Israel.
Make what you like of that.
Now here shows exactly howQuote:
Originally Posted by ENT
a - stupid you are
b - little you know about anything
c - much your bigotry disrupts your ability to understand something.
Simple fact for you, laddy. You have plucked your 78.3% by making the erroneous assumption that Arabs can only be Muslims. But no! Arabs can be Muslim, christian and Jewish as well, and indeed they are today, were then ,and before the NON SEMITE ashkanazi Jewish terrorists moved in they were living happily together side by side.
Now even if none of the jews were Arab, and only the christian semites were arabs, then... 71 + 589 = 87.7659574468085 % of 752
Not bad.. I rounded it up to 88% - Are you going to hold that against me you dumbass? It was 88% arab. Not all christians there were arabs, and not all jews were the fake eastern european bastards who are actively involved in Ethnic Cleansing there, and sporadic attempts at genocide.
They are ethnically ARAB. Arabs are being "cleaned" from the land by a bunch of psychotic interlopers that for some fucking strange reason, you seem to support. I wonder if you fancied Myra Hindly? Personality wise, she is no different to these Zionist shit bags.
UN Security Council Rejects Netanyahu's Claim To Golan Heights
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s bold claim to Syria’s Golan Heights, annexed by Israel in 1967, was rejected by the U.N. Security Council, which still regards the land as belonging to Syria.
The dispute over the heights, which are situated on the Syrian-Israeli border and which Tel-Aviv has argued are strategically important for national security, has been ongoing for decades. A 1981 U.N. resolution officially dismissed Israel’s established control of the heights as illegitimate and a slow resolution process ensued, seeking to restore Syrian control over the territory.
Despite moments when both sides have appeared willing to compromise to resolve their territorial claims, Netanyahu’s government has pushed an increasingly hard line on the Golan Heights issue, especially since the start of the Syrian Civil War in 2011.
The Israeli leader visited Russian President Vladimir Putin, one of Syria’s biggest military allies, over the weekend and told him he had no plans to relinquish control of Golan.
Netanyahu said that “with or without agreement, the Golan Heights would remain under Israeli sovereignty,” describing the territorial claim as a “red line” for Israel.
The U.N.’s 15-member council—of which both Russia and the U.S. are permanent members—declared that its decision on Golan “remains unchanged,” said Chinese Ambassador Liu Jieyi, who holds this month’s council presidency, on Tuesday, according to Al Jazeera.
Liu said that the council “expressed deep concern” over Netanyahu’s comments earlier this month that “the Golan Heights will remain in the hands of Israel forever.”
Israel was incensed by the U.N.’s decision to focus on Netanyahu’s increasingly conservative rhetoric on the Golan issue, as Israel’s U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon responded by questioning the council’s commitment to peace in the Middle East.
“Holding a meeting on this topic completely ignores the reality in the Middle East,” Danon said. “While thousands of people are being massacred in Syria, and millions of citizens have become refugees, the Security Council has chosen to focus on Israel, the only true democracy in the Middle East.”
“It’s unfortunate that interested parties are attempting to use the council for unfair criticism of Israel,” he added.
Many Israelis have settled in the Golan Heights since 1967 and the population now comprises roughly equal numbers of Israelis and Arabs. The area has also become important for Israel’s water supplies, as it gives Israel full control over the Sea of Galilee.
http://www.newsweek.com/un-security-...heights-452882
This is typical Israel Zionist attitude: We claim we "need" it, so we've taken it, and fuck you if you don't condone us.
Imagine if China had the same attitude (and it does to a certain extent) with Mekong water. We need it, so Laos, Thailand, Vietnam...bad luck for your natural water rights, fuck off and stop crying.
Of course its pure speculation to say that even if Syria was'nt part of the 3 pronged axis in the 6 day war against Israel that the Israeli's will still have occupied the Golan today . And an interesting article from American thinker http://www.americanthinker.com/artic..._heights_.html
^ More nonsense, dodgy maths and a big if.
There were very few Arabs (Semites) including Bedouins, in all of Palestine in 1921, as the main population groups (excluding Jews) there were Indo-European Turks, Armenians, Circassians, Samaritans, Kurds, Druze and Bosnians.
Both the 1921 and 1931 British census of Palestine did NOT refer to Arabs at all, other than referring to some Bedouin Arabs, grouping the total population of both sides of the Jordan by religion.
Xtian Semites? Where? There were very few Semites in Palestine in 1921, the majority of those Semites were Jews.
Semitic Arabs as such only started to migrate into Palestine in large numbers after 1931, from Arabia and Syria.
Egyptians, who aren't Arabs (Semites) either, also migrated into southern Palestine at that time.
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From;
"In 1920, the British Government's Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine stated that there were hardly 700,000 people living in Palestine:
"Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race.
Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, a small number are Protestants.
The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...ficial_reports
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Arabs left Israel in 1947/8 on either by being expelled by Israeli forces or voluntarily fearing the consequences of staying there or by order from Arab leaders.
The numbers leaving vary from between 400,000 < 800,000, depending on the sources you read.
Meanwhile ethnic cleansing of Jews from Arab states from 1948 on saw 850,000 Jews forced out of their Arab lands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...slim_countries
^ Ent you really are a prize nugget of zionist propaganda. The British reports were zionist reports you bell end.
Still waiting to see your link saying 78.3% which funnily enough is the exact percentage of muslims in the area.
But I also notice how you think seem to think that 78.3% to 20% is fine and dandy. Ethnic cleansing 101.
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Originally Posted by Maanaam
Toothless - add it to the list of other UN stuff that israel ignore because it revels in the support of the USA, propped up by morons like ENT.
What's the big rigamarole here ? The Ottoman Empire linked up with the Huns and the British Empire along with the Frogs took over the entire ME after WW1.
THE SPOILS of WAR and the colonial holdings of the Ottoman Empire got "Luigi-ed".
What is so hard to understand that the British fooked over everyone they ever made a promise to.
So dear Pseudolus, when are the WASP-funded and Jesus-loving Europeans going to return America, Australia /NZ and certain Pacific holdings back to the righteous indigenous people who were there prior to the convicts arriving. In fact all non-original natives should be "sent back" to wherever their forefathers came from...according to your principles.
Try to believe that no "ethnic cleansing" took place under Britain's watch...or Rome's or Mohammad's.
Does it only start with Israel and end with Israel...where the spoils of war must be returned ?
No, what you did, as your protestations are proving, is you fabricated your percentage by taking the ARAB population as being only the muslims, and were found out. Zionist shill.Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
This word "ZIONIST" screamed from the rooftops by the haters of Israel is akin to saying that all Germans in WW2 were Nazi's Study: 22 Percent of Israeli Jews Identify With Religious Zionist Camp - National - Haaretz
What a load of rubbish! :rofl:
Try reading this, if you can;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...Jewish_origins
How very grown up of you. You were caught out, so now you call me a liar because i showed that you are full of shit.
It is very easy to pick apart all of the lies and propaganda the zionist lobby groups throw out.... that is if you have more than half a working braincell, which apparently you do not.
Seriously, ENT - repeat. The only person agreeing with you is PIWANOI. Surely that must tell you something.
the last bastion of the defeated man - wikipedia. Any one can write anything on wikipedia. israel has offices full of students tasked with spreading their lies and rewriting history (all very Orwellian). You think they leave wiki alone as well?
:)
Anyway - read that link Ent. A big flaw in it. Ask yourself this, son of zion that you are, if your dad was a jew, but your mum was not, are you a jew? When you know the answer to that, then read that again (well, for the first time because you never read it in the first place).
Not so. The last bastion of a defeated fool and a liar is a barrage of insults.