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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui
    NATO has many benefits to the EU but the political integrity of sovereign states is not one of them.
    That's why I wrote:

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    There were dramatic scenes in Brussels in the early hours of this morning as it became clear that David Cameron had secured his preferred voting format for the Eurovision song contest.

    According to the new rules, the votes will be collated from the individual countries as usual, and then, right at the end, the results of the Europe-wide public vote will be announced, thus rendering the interminable previous two hours utterly pointless.

    This is David Cameron’s preferred format as on Saturdays he takes the family to the pub and he needs time to find any misplaced daughters.

    The new voting system will allow him to do so, and make it home to see the big drama at the end.

    The victory was hard-fought, with many countries having their own preferred formats; Germany would support a penalty shootout to decide the winner, Italy and France favour some form of sexy kissing vote system, Belgium were pushing for major changes to make it the ‘Eurovision Biscuit contest,’ Spain would prefer to see more slaughtering of bulls, and Ireland joined a lot of the Eastern European countries in trying to make the whole thing much more about drinking.



    When asked whether he had made any deals on freedom of movement, trade, benefits, the Euro, or vetoes, Mr Cameron replied that he’d ‘got the Eurovision thing in the bag,’ and gave a slightly manic smile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui
    a free trade association with common standards,
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    that could easily evaporate if UK left the EU. No ? China also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    There's always an ulterior motive, especially when the Politicians are concerned.
    One good reason Cameron is sabre rattling for less EU control is the EU are trying to clamp down on UK offshore tax havens such as the British owned Cayman Islands, which incidentally is where many multinationals such as Google choose to keep their accounts.
    Oh yeah, like the Labour/WMD Party and the LibDem/Tuition-Fees Party were clamouring to shut them down when they were in power.

    Go on, say it "Thatcher", "Right Wing Press", "Tory", same old rubbish - do you really honestly believe that Labour and the others are any different?!

    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lom
    Relieve us from the fekking whining Englishmen, the Scots and the Irish can stay as members.
    That's about right. The UK has so many opt-out clauses and still moans at every turn, the main gripe seems to be the curvature of sausages and complaining about sausages needing to be filled with meat rather than offal, gristle and sinew like in the good old days
    That is such a lie about what it's about, it can't go unchallenged.
    The self-evident truth is that the UK signed up for an economic union, and never for a political one. Successive governments keep lying to the public to keep the UK locked in to what is ultimately an economic failure of an organisation. That's before we even get to the corruption, cronyism, expensive bureaucracy, and the self-evident false premiss of the EU being there to prevent war from happening again on the contintent. It's about culturally protestant relatively efficient northern european economies that function well being coerced into propping up culturally catholic relatively inefficient economies, and now using lower gdp eastern european economies to sustain this facade.
    If you wanted it to be about economics, you would pick all the most economically efficient economies and get them to team up and set a strict, rigorous, and transparent high bar for new entrant economies to join to maintain the standards such a union was based on.
    If you wanted it to be about politics, you would pick all the most subsidary liberal democracies, with the least corruption and highest standards of rule of law and human rights, and only admit those who met those standards.
    If you wanted it to be about defence you'd get all the most militarily successful states to team up etc...
    ...but instead, we get legislation about the standardisation of food stuffs; the imperatives on weights and measures, the demands for equal welfare for foreigners as if ethnic and national identity mean nothing, are non-existent, and only apply to brown people. The EU is it's own worst enemy, for beng so consistently incompetent - even at handling it's own PR. The fact that it can't even beat the likes of so-called "right-wing morons", and "little englanders", these supposed mentally and financially under-resourced minority, is testament to the the synonymity of those two letters EU with one word: failure. Riots in collapsed economies, due to corruption; murder on the streets in national capitals after the largest memberstate's leader advocates the collapse of EU external borders... I mean, would you hire these people to decorate your house? They're fecking morons on stilts, and greedy ones at that. Do you really think you're getting you're moneys worth paying the Kinnocks 3m a year, as their oxbridge-educated Danish first-gent plummy socialist spawn is parachuted into the valleys to represent the workers with his soft pale hands? FFS, what planet do you live on?! Before we even get to it being about freedom, and the right to say no, without multiple referenda to get the right answer, or endemic corruption, it's about basic competence.


    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    The day the UK votes to quit the EU in toto would see the fall by at least 30%.
    Not a bad estimate - seeing as it dropped 9% based upon the possibility of Scottish independence.
    This is not an estimate; it's not even a finger in the air guess; it's just wishful thinking.
    The value of the pound will be determined by the value of the UK economy post-leaving, and that will be determined by whoever is in charge and whatever decisions they are advised to make by experts they call in, and we can be a lot more confident in putting a finger in the air and guessing that it won't Camoron, or Corbinman.


    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    Scotland would demand, and get, an immediate referendum to quit
    And so they should - Britain will crumble
    Surely it will slide off the the edge of the flat earth onto a turtle's back?
    Scotland might demand, but whether they will get is another matter; they would probably be delayed by the general election that Camoron's resignation might precipitate, along with the likely defenestration of Corbinman that could follow Camoron's ousting. Even the SNP would play for a bigger mandate... the chance for a successful attempt to destroy Labour in Scotland would be way too tempting. Moreover, the SNP would want to be damn sure they got a clear win if they were to get a second go - no half-chances would be worth it.
    Even if they did, faced with the possibility of economic oblivion, and a low chance of making the grade to be admitted into the EU; never mind the unwelcome precedent it would set for other states like Catalonia and others to attempt secession that EU states would likely resist. Too many assumptions that don't take into account the lack of diversity in the Scottish economy, and the devastation being caused by long-term oil price decline.


    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    Britain by itself in the world would be utter shite not least because the country is host to a significant minority of welfare trash and the work ethic is pitiful.
    . . . who are all busy complaining about foreigners who work and pay taxes for these scum to receive their government handouts
    There are also other significant minorities who don't fall into that category; but economic necessity can drive change. It is a pretty morbid flaccid and pessimistic case to make - stay indoors because the world outside is scary.
    For a lot of people that just isn't the case - so many Brits have ventured out into the big wide world beyond blighty, and beyond europe to create and build all over the world, and that is the optimistic, positive, virile case to make for breaking free of a flabby and useless EU experiment that has held us back.


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    It's not really relevant what the policy actually is, it's what the perception is amongst the voters.
    The EU should just give the whiners the boot . . . and let them reminisce about the glory days while these glory days are coming home to roost in the form of millions upon millions of Commonwealth and ex-colonies best and brightest going to the US and the mainland while the less than wonderful 'flooding' the the smelly isles . . .

    Yup. Poles or Pakistanis . . .
    Oh, so if we stay in the EU, we get nice clean white immigrants; if we leave the EU we get dirty smelly brown immigrants - is that you're argument?!
    You seem to just buy into the racist fearmongering of the anti-Brexit lefty press...

    The whiners are the ones who are trying to force Britain to stay so they can milk the cash cow for themselves and their friends, and so the EU can milk our economy to prop up their failed economies.
    The UK can invent and create a brand new future, become a giant Singapore, a capitalist beacon of low tax and high trade, where the world comes to bank and to get qualty, design, culture, and education. Leave the scared little whiners in the EU to fight it out over who gets to pay for all their failures.
    We can be creating a prosperous anglophone democratic future that resonates with our WASP heritage instead.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuRY1skaH4M

    we are all figments of our own imagination.

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    Great post.

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    55 million quid a day would be better spent on something other than the EU, sending back lying asylum seekers home would be money well spent. We voted for the common market originally and most only voted for that on the promise of longer holidays, we did not vote for the untied states of Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper View Post
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    Great post.
    For a fucking retard.

    "WASP" heritage= Pale-skinned, street trash addicted to sloth, alcohol, benefits and eating processed shit.

    British scum have now become so repellent they are the main argument for staying in Europe since that is the only way we can be assured of getting decent workers.

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    If not enough new workers are brought into the workforce then the Ponzi scheme that supports the pension schemes will collapse.

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    The UK will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
    EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote - BBC News

    Let's hope that TD is not a reflection of the UK vote.

    I wonder if I'm going to end up being a German National by the end of the year...I can think of few relatives that will be turning in their graves at the prospect.

    I hope Boris has a good think before making a decision. Many are likely to follow his lead. Always has been a top bloke IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    Let's hope that TD is not a reflection of the UK vote.
    No Troy, let's hope that it is

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    We are the country that has been shat on the most in the EU. This country is just a fucking dumping ground for all of Europes destitute peasants losers and criminals

    Most of them might be "hard working" however they make no net contribution due to TAX CREDITS, HOUSING BENEFIT and their disproportional birthing rates .


    We even get other EU members third-world trash
    Frustrated Somalis flee Holland for the freedom of Britain - Telegraph

    An estimated 20,000 Dutch Somalis have left Holland for Britain over the past five years,
    Wait until Germanys newly invited Muslims get their EU passports, guess where they will conveniently be heading because they can't be arsed learning German


    When we leave i guess websites like this will vanish Benefity w UK ? Wszystko o zasi?kach w Wielkiej Brytanii

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter
    We are the country that has been shat on the most in the EU.
    Delusional and bursting with self-importance

    Quote Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter
    Wait until Germanys newly invited Muslims get their EU passports, guess where they will conveniently be heading because they can't be arsed learning German
    Because they can speak English? Good grief, you really are thick. French is their second language, if they have one

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter
    We are the country that has been shat on the most in the EU.
    Delusional and bursting with self-importance

    Quote Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter
    Wait until Germanys newly invited Muslims get their EU passports, guess where they will conveniently be heading because they can't be arsed learning German
    Because they can speak English? Good grief, you really are thick. French is their second language, if they have one
    Yes you're absolutely right..

    The Calais affair is a figment of our imaginations

    20,000 "Dutch" Somalis have not uprooted and came to the UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter
    We are the country that has been shat on the most in the EU.
    Delusional and bursting with self-importance

    Quote Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter
    Wait until Germanys newly invited Muslims get their EU passports, guess where they will conveniently be heading because they can't be arsed learning German
    Because they can speak English? Good grief, you really are thick. French is their second language, if they have one
    Yes you're absolutely right..

    The Calais affair is a figment of our imaginations

    20,000 "Dutch" Somalis have not uprooted and came to the UK
    Ok, let's look at what you're saying . . .

    You state that the UK has been shat on the most in the EU.

    A bold statement that you're sure to explain. It would be great if you could explain it in a bit more detail than just saying so or quoting one article you'll invariable find somewhere that supports your assertion.

    Germany will be giving newly-invited Muslims EU passports and then they'll head off to the Uk because they can't be arsed learning German

    Ok, I'm not quite sure what an EU passport is and if Germany would have the right to give anyone such a document, but you do know the requirements to obtain citizenship in Germany, don't you - after all, the best Germany can do is make them German citizens, not Portuguese or Italian or this EU-Nationality you speak of
    ?
    I'll give you a few indicators:
    * legally resident in Germany for at least 8 years
    * adequate knowledge of the German language (B1 level)

    Ah, do I need to continue to show that you're just talking shit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter
    We are the country that has been shat on the most in the EU.
    Delusional and bursting with self-importance

    Quote Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter
    Wait until Germanys newly invited Muslims get their EU passports, guess where they will conveniently be heading because they can't be arsed learning German
    Because they can speak English? Good grief, you really are thick. French is their second language, if they have one
    Yes you're absolutely right..

    The Calais affair is a figment of our imaginations

    20,000 "Dutch" Somalis have not uprooted and came to the UK
    Ok, let's look at what you're saying . . .

    You state that the UK has been shat on the most in the EU.

    A bold statement that you're sure to explain. It would be great if you could explain it in a bit more detail than just saying so or quoting one article you'll invariable find somewhere that supports your assertion.

    Germany will be giving newly-invited Muslims EU passports and then they'll head off to the Uk because they can't be arsed learning German

    Ok, I'm not quite sure what an EU passport is and if Germany would have the right to give anyone such a document, but you do know the requirements to obtain citizenship in Germany, don't you - after all, the best Germany can do is make them German citizens, not Portuguese or Italian or this EU-Nationality you speak of
    ?
    I'll give you a few indicators:
    * legally resident in Germany for at least 8 years
    * adequate knowledge of the German language (B1 level)

    Ah, do I need to continue to show that you're just talking shit?
    Oh dear i'm kinda embarrassed for you. Maybe go brush up on EU freedom of moment (google)

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    ^ That's how you address the 'giving' away of passports and the 'can't be arsed to learn German' points you raise?

    Ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The UK will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
    EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote - BBC News

    Let's hope that TD is not a reflection of the UK vote.

    I wonder if I'm going to end up being a German National by the end of the year...I can think of few relatives that will be turning in their graves at the prospect.

    I hope Boris has a good think before making a decision. Many are likely to follow his lead. Always has been a top bloke IMHO.
    Given the krauts have a far superior state pension scheme, a better behaved and more responsible society, better beer and a much more intelligent approach to life, I rather think if you qualified for kraut nationality you should be fucking grateful.

    A Brexit vote is nature's way of confirming the average Brit is a fucking moron.

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    Fortunately the referendum vote does not allow thumbprint voting, so most of the illiterati will lack the inclination to drag themselves away from the Jeremy Kyle show. The fcuking chav bastards.

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    We need to get the fuk out of federal Europe and it's insane levels of corruption.

    Hopefully, once we do, that'll be the start of the end of this terrible social experiment.

    At the moment, voting is probably in the balance, but I reckon there's a good chance people will vote to leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo View Post
    The UK can invent and create a brand new future, become a giant Singapore,
    The UK created Singapore. Singapore has joined ASEAN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrie
    The UK created Singapore. Singapore has joined ASEAN.
    And England created a United Kingdom to which the Europeans have tried to copy. Shouldn't they be joining us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrie
    The UK created Singapore. Singapore has joined ASEAN.
    And England created a United Kingdom to which the Europeans have tried to copy. Shouldn't they be joining us?
    We've enough on our plates carrying the Welsh and Scots without the rest of Europe


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    Boris has decided to join the leave campaign, which is a major blow for Cameron.

    Cameron would have been better off not going cap-in-hand to the EU. The deal he has come away with has probably turned more people against the EU!

    Life after Brexit?
    http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit01.pdf

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    Go Boris, and I'd like to see him lead the get the fuk out campaign. But what I still don't understand is why Corbyn and Labour are campaigning to remain in the EU as their brand of socialism is totally uncompatible with what the EU stands for as is the SNP.

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    Good thing is the daft fucker
    Corbyn is campaigning on the stay side...

    He's deluded so maybe his logic is something like this:
    he wants to lead the whole of Europe towards his brand of socialism , when labour takes power , not just the UK

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson/12167475/Hurrah-for-Boris-Johnson.-Glad-you-could-join-us.html
    The Leave campaign must also be grateful for the wonderful feebleness of the official Labour policy. Jeremy Corbyn is a long-term "get outer", but if he had opted for Leave he would have made life much harder for all moderates leaning in that direction, since they tend to run away from whatever he proposes. By taking the weedy position that he thinks Mr Cameron is getting it all wrong but weve got to vote Remain to wait for a Labour government which will create a "social Europe" in 2020, Mr Corbyn may hold his party in one piece, but he lets the argument rush past him.

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