Thread: New crisis in Europes

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

(btw UK is not in europe)

Where is it then? Is it in Asia? Africa? Show us your amazing map!

UK is right where US and Canada and Australia and NZ and some other countries are. And that is not in europe.

Here's the amazing map

http://pre14.deviantart.net/e420/th/...th-d637c8x.png

Anglosphere rules this world, and you can't do a thing to stop this, throwing some stones or flying some planes to buildings will never get you what you want

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

flying some planes to buildings will never get you what you want

Yup, and let's hope that Bush and his handlers never get the chance to do that again.

^^ Duh. That is not a map.

Why, Neverna, you asked for it

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

(btw UK is not in europe)

Where is it then? Is it in Asia? Africa? Show us your amazing map!

UK is right where US and Canada and Australia and NZ and some other countries are. And that is not in europe.

Here's the amazing map

http://pre14.deviantart.net/e420/th/...th-d637c8x.png

Anglosphere rules this world, and you can't do a thing to stop this, throwing some stones or flying some planes to buildings will never get you what you want

Please Keep the UK away from NZ because they may pollute it with their silly policies, for this time NZ hasent bought into the coalition of the killing. The PM has said they wont help attack Syria unless there is a UN resolution and that wont happen with Russia the chair of the security council.

^^ You don't even know where the UK is? Or what a map is?

Originally Posted by birding

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

(btw UK is not in europe)

Where is it then? Is it in Asia? Africa? Show us your amazing map!

UK is right where US and Canada and Australia and NZ and some other countries are. And that is not in europe.

Here's the amazing map

http://pre14.deviantart.net/e420/th/...th-d637c8x.png

Anglosphere rules this world, and you can't do a thing to stop this, throwing some stones or flying some planes to buildings will never get you what you want

Please Keep the UK away from NZ because they may pollute it with their silly policies, for this time NZ hasent bought into the coalition of the killing. The PM has said they wont help attack Syria unless there is a UN resolution and that wont happen with Russia the chair of the security council.

Sorry mate, nothing I can do, it's the shared history and culture and families and all that. And Spice Girls.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Comparing migration from 1815/1932 to 2015 is idiotic.

Why? I'd like to hear your opinion

Ohh, I forgot one small thing that makes 1815/1932 different from today.

Mass media called TV and its little brothers Apple & Samsung.

Originally Posted by KEVIN2008

Hungary expects to complete a four-meter-high (12 feet) fence along its border with Serbia by November to stem the flow of tens of thousands of illegal migrants, a top ruling-party lawmaker was quoted as saying.

Hungary is part of Europe's visa-free Schengen zone, making it attractive to migrants coming through the Balkans. It has registered more than 80,000 of them so far this year, compared with 43,000 in all 2014.

Hungary expects to complete Serbian border fence by November: lawmaker | Reuters


Horse Bolt,.. Stable and door ,,springs to mind !!

So it is Hungary defending western civilization alone, despised by euroshite. Euros and euro commission. This is worse than worst lakorn. Hungary is in NATO, and there is market economy that's doing better than europe and they actually do not need any of that European shit. It is their right to control their borders.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

UK is right where US and Canada and Australia and NZ and some other countries are. And that is not in europe.

Here's the amazing map

http://pre14.deviantart.net/e420/th/...th-d637c8x.png

Originally Posted by Neverna

Duh. That is not a map.

Good grief, the guy is a moron. A map Map Map Map Yes

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Comparing migration from 1815/1932 to 2015 is idiotic.

Why? I'd like to hear your opinion

Ohh, I forgot one small thing that makes 1815/1932 different from today.

Mass media called TV and its little brothers Apple & Samsung.

Of course this has nothing to do with migration . . . if you're going to list everything that is different today from 1815/1932 you're going to be typing all day

The lefties, the liberals and the bleeding heart dogooders want to let them all in.... Many talk about the benefits of immigration, but the reality is that mass immigration only drives down wages for ordinary working people and puts an enormous strain on social welfare and public services....enough is enough.

Ian O Doherty

Want to stop migrant deaths? Get tougher immigration rules

Another day and more fresh images of misery and desperation. In Calais, passengers on several London-bound Eurostar trains were stuck for hours in dark tunnels with no air conditioning or lighting because migrants had clambered on top of the carriages in a desperate attempt to get into Britain.


In Hungary, a Government official was forced to admit that their system has been broken by 3,000 supposed 'refugees' arriving in the country every day, seeking passage to wealthier countries, such as Germany. This has led to the closure of the main train station in Budapest and clashes between migrants and local police are increasingly common and increasingly violent.

In Greece, another 4,000 migrants landed on the mainland after securing a boat from the island of Lesbos.

Then, most powerfully, there's the heart-rending shot of the dead child on the beach in the Turkish resort of Bodrum, an image so visceral it stops you in your tracks and could well be the 'napalm girl' moment of our age.

That's just a random review of the last 24 hours across Europe as the continent continues to slide further into division and rancour while governments bicker, migrants continue to arrive in unsustainable numbers and pessimistic observers declare this as the beginning of the end of the EU experiment.

As Germany struggles to cope with an estimated 800,000 migrants this year alone, it is no surprise that Frau Merkel has decided to get tough with those European countries which, she feels, aren't pulling their weight.

Meanwhile, Austria's dire threats to 'punish' Britain for its apparent reluctance to accept more migrants will only lead to further calls from UK Eurosceptics, such as the impressive Tory MEP Daniel Hannon, to leave the EU, which would be a disaster for this country.

In fact, just about every possible scenario seems to bring with it the promise of disaster.

There will be no happy ending to this crisis and in the absence of either logic or a willingness to confront unpalatable truths, we've been left with a series of mendacious guilt trips designed to morally blackmail people into supporting what is, ultimately, the eradication of sovereign borders. That can be seen in the cynical and manipulative way Europe's - and our own - shameful treatment of the Jews during the run-up to the Holocaust has become an increasingly popular weapon to silence people with an opposing view.

The obvious difference is that the Jewish refugee crisis in the '30s and early '40s was a European crisis involving European victims and European oppressors. This current situation, contrary to popular wisdom, is not a European crisis. It is an African and Middle Eastern crisis (with added players from Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan), which Western countries are now expected to deal with.

The logical appraisal of this increasingly hellish mass migration makes it clear that the current situation is simply unworkable.

There are literally millions of people, from the Levant to Lahore, who dream of a better life for themselves in Europe, and while that is perfectly understandable, either we have borders or we don't. Either we have a health service (such as it is) or we don't. Similarly, the same points can be made about our housing, social welfare and education networks.

These are already creaking under the pressure of the indigenous population and it is profoundly irrational to complain about a lack of social housing one day and then call for more refugees/migrants the next. After all, this would obviously put more pressure on overworked systems until, like a dangerous game of Jenga, everything collapses.

We should look to Australia, a country routinely accused of having a racist immigration policy.

Asylum seekers and refugees are diverted to an island off the coast of Papua New Guinea where their applications are then processed. They never set foot on Australian soil until they have been approved and for all the criticisms about the way they treat their asylum seekers, there have been no deaths in transit to that country this year.

They may not specialise in feel-good platitudes in Australia, but they don't have dead babies washing up on their shores, either.

The blood of that child, and all the others who have died making the journey to mainland Europe, is on the hands of those deluded ideologues who persist in creating a climate where migrants know the risk is worth it.

Stop the attraction and we stop the migration, which will stop the deaths.

That may not be a popular opinion.

But it's the right one.

Independent Journalists - Features and Stories - Independent.ie

Originally Posted by KEVIN2008

The lefties, the liberals and the bleeding heart dogooders want to let them all in.

The current UK PM a leftie eh?

Take a few pills and calm down. The hordes are now wrapped up in visas/documentation/smuggling searches etc at every European countries borders. The cornerstone of the EU, no borders, has just been repealed.

All is well in the sunny uplands.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Comparing migration from 1815/1932 to 2015 is idiotic.

Why? I'd like to hear your opinion

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Ohh, I forgot one small thing that makes 1815/1932 different from today.

Mass media called TV and its little brothers Apple & Samsung.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Of course this has nothing to do with migration . . . if you're going to list everything that is different today from 1815/1932 you're going to be typing all day

Sorry, PH have to disagree with you again.

> Mass migration, it is still indispensable as buses, trains or ships. Without the mobile phone, most migrants would not make their way, and above all: never reach their destination. Who saw the pictures from Budapest, will have noticed that the station castaways used their smartphones to find the footpath to the Austrian border. Even if a refugee no passport and no compass in the backpack: Without his cell phone with charger, he will not leave the home.

The phone is not only needed to learn from uncle in Essen, as the situation there is, or find out which country once briefly opened its borders. The mobile phone is especially important to contact with the tractor in contact (and remain) and to order, if necessary, send money through Western Union by the family. <

How did the news reach refugee camps in Turkey, Lebanon etc. that Germany is welcoming refugees ?
A mass exodus of people within days/hours ! Which fence/border is going to stop these people from getting in ?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

How did the news reach refugee camps in Turkey, Lebanon etc. that Germany is welcoming refugees

Merkel said that on BBC

Originally Posted by KEVIN2008

Hungary is part of Europe's visa-free Schengen zone, making it attractive to migrants coming through the Balkans

All true BUT if, as seems to be the claim, Syrian refugees are fleeing ln fear of their lives Hungary has a good arguement for refusing them entry. Last time I looked not one country bordering Hungary is at war. Folks fleeing for their lives would find the nearest safe haven. In this case countries bordering Syria. Turkey, Jordan, Israel, Lebanon and Iraq. Iraq prolly not a place I would rush to to be safe. Israel may not be their first choice but Israel should set aside refugee camps as have other countries bordering Syria. Any port in a storm is the way I see it.

First, Europe and the rest of world must immediately increase aid to countries who are operating the refugee camps. This will not stem the flow but act as a stop gap to at least give these folks refuge.

Second, specific to curing the cause, the US, Russia and Iran must work together to stop the war in Syria. Continuing to bomb Syria into the stone age may be beneficial to weapons industry and some percieved political gain but it's a fools game with no winners. Until this happens the only conclusion one can reach is the "international community" could care less about refugees.

Migration of refugees, which is the crisis of the day, is something which can be dealt with in part now and overtime but allowing waves of people into the EU is not on. Given the state Syria is in now it will take years and trillions of dollars to return it to the point where Syians will want to return to their homes.

Sadly all just another in a long line of messes made by power hungry fuckwits.

Originally Posted by OhOh

As for saving the environment, are you really saying the environment is more important than peoples lives?

YES !

What I want to know is when will the BBC ask any of the male 'refugees' (economic migrants) where their wives and children are and broadcast the replies. But I guess much better just to keep on interviewing the few men with families or women who are there to get the real picture and not in anyway try to influence opinion.

How to end mass migration?

Like the english press said: "Germany is ruled by a bunch of Hippies!".
Politicians that have actually "Life experience" before going into politics, would see this world more realistically.

Like a child, our politicians (incl. Europe-example Greece) will have to fall on their nose before they can walk. Merkel or/and Europe are ready to break apart. Maybe the Hippies will then come to their senses.

Maybe a little more simple: We are being governed by a bunch of Wankers !

The only country that can end this mass migration is the U.S. Remember Jugoslavia ? The dumb Europeans (incl. U.K. ) couldn't end the war without the help of the Uncle Sam

The only country that can end this mass migration is the U.S.

Indeed, thats why weak willed liberals like Obama are no good for the world, which needs a strong America that is not averse to throwing its weight around when necessary. With a weak America, there is no counterbalance to the Putins and the Chinese.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

How to end mass migration?

Like the english press said: "Germany is ruled by a bunch of Hippies!".
Politicians that have actually "Life experience" before going into politics, would see this world more realistically.

Like a child, our politicians (incl. Europe-example Greece) will have to fall on their nose before they can walk. Merkel or/and Europe are ready to break apart. Maybe the Hippies will then come to their senses.

Maybe a little more simple: We are being governed by a bunch of Wankers !

The only country that can end this mass migration is the U.S. Remember Jugoslavia ? The dumb Europeans (incl. U.K. ) couldn't end the war without the help of the Uncle Sam

You seem to have forgotten that it was the US that got us in this fucking mess in the first place, courtesy of Cheney, the Bush family and fellow scumbags.