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Poll: Ben Carson knocks Donald Trump from top spot nationally




Washington (CNN)--For the first time in months, a national poll shows Donald Trump is not leading the Republican 2016 primary race, and instead has Ben Carson in first place.

Carson won the support of 26% of Republican primary voters, compared to 22% who are backing Trump, according to Election 2016: CBS/NYT Poll: Ben Carson edges out Donald Trump - CBS News. Though within the poll's margin of error, it marks the first time since the billionaire businessman's dominant rise over the summer where he has been bumped from the top spot nationally.

The new numbers also represent a reversal from CBS News/NYT GOP poll toplines, 9/15/15 York Times poll, taken more than a month ago, which saw Trump leading Carson 27%-23%.

Carson and Trump have been running consistently neck-and-neck since the start of September -- with other candidates struggling to keep pace.

The switch in the lead comes as Carson has taken a clear lead in the Iowa race, beating Trump in some polls by double-digits. Trump told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" Tuesday morning "I don't get it."

CBS/New York Times pollsters found Carson outpacing Trump among women and evangelicals and running even with him among men. Trump performed better with moderate Republicans and voters without college degrees.

No other candidate cracked double-digit support in the latest poll. Marco Rubio won 8% support, Jeb Bush and Carly Fiorina tied for fourth place with 7 percent and Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and John Kasich each got 4%.

The poll does carry an important caveat, however: 70% of respondents said they had not settled on a choice yet. Trump's supporters, however, are more locked in with their support.

The most recent CBS/New York Times poll surveyed 575 Republican primary voters and carries a 6-percentage-point margin of error.

Related: Donald Trump on poll slump, Ben Carson lead: 'I don't get it' - CNNPolitics.com

Source: Poll finds Ben Carson knocks Donald Trump from top spot nationally - CNNPolitics.com

Illegal Alien Crime and Violence by the Numbers: We?re All Victims | The Constitution Party

Illegal Alien Crime and Violence by the Numbers: We’re All Victims

by Peter B. Gemma, National Executive Committee member

At first glance, the statistics are jolting. According to the United Nations, 97 percent of the illegal immigrants who enter the U.S. clandestinely do so across the almost 2,000-mile border between the U.S. and Mexico, but only 20 percent of those who cross the border illegally are caught.[1]

The New York Times reports that about 4.5 million illegal aliens in the U.S. drive on a regular basis, many without licenses or insurance, or even the ability to read road signs written in English.[2] (Meanwhile, the California legislature has just voted to give driver’s licenses to illegal aliens.) Yahoo.com writer J.C. Grant notes, “There is a statistically significant correlation between state per capita illegal immigration rates and car thefts. This correlation is particularly strong: the odds are less than two in one million that the correlation is a chance occurrence.”[3]

If just car thievery were the main concern, it would be an important problem to address. However, the Office of Immigration Statistics reported that of the 188,382 deportations of illegal aliens in 2011, 23 percent had committed criminal traffic offenses (primarily driving under the influence). Congressman Steve King (R-IA) estimates that illegal alien drunk drivers kill 13 Americans every day — that’s a death toll of 4,745 per year.[4]

The 23 percent criminal traffic offenders figure is only part of the overall picture. According to the Center forImmigration Studies, another 23 percent, more than 43,000 illegal aliens, were convicted of drug offenses. The violent crime category of assault, robbery, sexual assault, and family offenses comes to 12 percent. The non-violent crime grouping of larceny, fraud, and burglary totaled seven percent, and on the list goes — equaling 100 percent of illegal aliens who have been through the criminal justice system and inflicted thousands to millions in cost per alien on the system, for issues having nothing to do with their illegal entry into the country.[5]



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The rise of Trump was always a little curious (to say the least) but Carson even more so.

Have people not noticed that he's actually legitimately batshit crazy??

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Have people not noticed that he's actually legitimately batshit crazy??

You mean, "Obama Care is worse than slavery" and "If the German people had guns the would have stopped Hitler."
You mean that batshit crazy...? Well, yeah. I remember thinking clearly: "This guy is batshit crazy."
Thanks. It's always nice to be validated.

Yep that and the theory of evolution being pushed by the devil, a tax policy based on tithing, and a plan to have students inform on professors holding political opinions Gestapo stylee.

That's exactly the kinda batshit crazy I was referring to.

Originally Posted by MrG

"If the German people had guns the would have stopped Hitler."

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

students inform on professors holding political opinions Gestapo stylee.

Yup. Batshit crazy . . . in other words, highly electable for the Republican nomination and sure to garner 40-48% of the nation's votes

Originally Posted by panama hat

highly electable for the Republican nomination and sure to garner 40-48% of the nation's votes

Now THAT'S batshit crazy.

As far as Carson goes, I don't think he can be the Republican nominee, it would be foolish. Firstly, he is a member of a party which actively tries to dilute the Black vote. Blacks would be stupid to vote for him. Secondly, I can't imagine a large portion of White Southerners and Midwesterners voting Carson in. They were appalled enough when a Black man was voted in as president the first time; fat chance they will vote in the second one themselves.

Originally Posted by misskit

They were appalled enough when a Black man was voted in as president the first time; fat chance they will vote in the second one themselves.

So you think they would vote for a women or a "socialist commie pinko"?

I wish something would trip Hillary up. To bad Benghazi has no legs because I would love to see her out. Sanders runs better against both Trump and Carson.

Originally Posted by bsnub

To bad Benghazi has no legs because I would love to see her out. Sanders runs better against both Trump and Carson.

Are you living in a land of silver unicorns snub? I like Sander's vision too but he is unelectable under any circumstances.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Yep that and the theory of evolution being pushed by the devil, a tax policy based on tithing, and a plan to have students inform on professors holding political opinions Gestapo stylee.

A guy who thinks the biblical end of times is at hand is just the one you want with his hand on the nuclear button.

Originally Posted by Humbert

A guy who thinks the biblical end of times is at hand is just the one you want with his hand on the nuclear button.

Ah yes, a valid point . . . imagine he sees himself as the chosen one to start armageddon based on a message he received from God (as all Republicans seem to)

^Yes I'm a bigot, I think Jehovah's Witnesses are howling at the moon, batshit crazy.

Trump & Carson. Not such a long way from the penthouse to the shithouse is it- just ask my Republican friends.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by misskit

They were appalled enough when a Black man was voted in as president the first time; fat chance they will vote in the second one themselves.

So you think they would vote for a women or a "socialist commie pinko"?

I wish something would trip Hillary up. To bad Benghazi has no legs because I would love to see her out. Sanders runs better against both Trump and Carson.

Sanders will run out of money. NO chance of being elected president.

Originally Posted by misskit

As far as Carson goes, I don't think he can be the Republican nominee, it would be foolish. Firstly, he is a member of a party which actively tries to dilute the Black vote. Blacks would be stupid to vote for him. Secondly, I can't imagine a large portion of White Southerners and Midwesterners voting Carson in. They were appalled enough when a Black man was voted in as president the first time; fat chance they will vote in the second one themselves.

Could you please share proof on a couple of your statements? 1. Republican Party tries to dilute the black vote. 2. Midwesterners appalled a black man was voted in as president.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by bsnub

To bad Benghazi has no legs because I would love to see her out. Sanders runs better against both Trump and Carson.

Are you living in a land of silver unicorns snub? I like Sander's vision too but he is unelectable under any circumstances.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Yep that and the theory of evolution being pushed by the devil, a tax policy based on tithing, and a plan to have students inform on professors holding political opinions Gestapo stylee.

A guy who thinks the biblical end of times is at hand is just the one you want with his hand on the nuclear button.

What? You think Carson would be inclined to speed up the onset of the end times.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Could you please share proof on a couple of your statements?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

1. Republican Party tries to dilute the black vote.

Dilution by making it more difficult for blacks to vote, seems obvious to most

Originally Posted by RPETER65

2. Midwesterners appalled a black man was voted in as president.

Look at an election map or have a gander at derogatory comments made by your ilk towards having a black president.
Before you ask - google it

Originally Posted by panama hat

Dilution by making it more difficult for blacks to vote

Sorta. Has more to do with gerrymandering.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

1. Republican Party tries to dilute the black vote.

Are you being sarcastic? Voter suppression is a major Republican strategy. They win when the turn out is low and lose when it is high. So they engage in gerrymandering and try to pass oppressive voter id laws to suppress the minority vote. They do not want blacks and Hispanics voting period. The SCOTUS has handed down several rulings just this year validating this.



The Supreme Court just spanked the NC GOP on racial gerrymandering | News | Indy Week

Supreme Court Rejects Ruling That Upheld Alabama's Gerrymandering : The Two-Way : NPR

How the GOP used the system to give itself a House majority | Public Radio International

Justice Department: We will sue Alabama if it doesn't comply with voting law | AL.com

There is a mountain of evidence. I could provide links to them all day. The fact that you seem unaware of it shows your ignorance. It is further proof that you live in a bubble.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Could you please share proof on a couple of your statements?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

1. Republican Party tries to dilute the black vote.

Dilution by making it more difficult for blacks to vote, seems obvious to most

Originally Posted by RPETER65

2. Midwesterners appalled a black man was voted in as president.

Look at an election map or have a gander at derogatory comments made by your ilk towards having a black president.
Before you ask - google it

I am sure derogatory remarks by a few dumb asses could be found in more than just the mid west. So an election map showing the mid west to vote republican is proof they are appalled by a black man being elected potus, I think not, I would expect you and your ilk to bring racism to the game.

And how are they making it more difficult for blacks to vote?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Could you please share proof on a couple of your statements? 1. Republican Party tries to dilute the black vote. 2. Midwesterners appalled a black man was voted in as president.

I was indeed referring to gerrymandering. Already explained above.

The Midwest is nearly as bad as the South for racism. I thought this was common knowledge. You can read here about the last election and the circulation of racist tweets afterwards as an example of what Midwesterners think of Obama. Which States Sent The Most Racist Tweets After The Election?

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

1. Republican Party tries to dilute the black vote.

Are you being sarcastic? Voter suppression is a major Republican strategy. They win when the turn out is low and lose when it is high. So they engage in gerrymandering and try to pass oppressive voter id laws to suppress the minority vote. They do not want blacks and Hispanics voting period. The SCOTUS has handed down several rulings just this year validating this.



The Supreme Court just spanked the NC GOP on racial gerrymandering | News | Indy Week

Supreme Court Rejects Ruling That Upheld Alabama's Gerrymandering : The Two-Way : NPR

How the GOP used the system to give itself a House majority | Public Radio International

Justice Department: We will sue Alabama if it doesn't comply with voting law | AL.com

There is a mountain of evidence. I could provide links to them all day. The fact that you seem unaware of it shows your ignorance. It is further proof that you live in a bubble.

I am quite aware of what your links lead to, I guess the geographical location of the mid west is what I must be confessed about, since when is North Carolina, Alabama, and Mississippi in the mid west. I am also well aware of the democracy's calling voter ID laws to be voter suppression I just find absolutely unbelievable. I have heard all the accusations and can't see where requiring an ID to vote as being restrictive. Maybe you could enlighten me as to how obtaining an ID would be more difficult for a black citizen than any other citizen.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Maybe you could enlighten me as to how obtaining an ID would be more difficult for a black citizen than any other citizen. RPETER65 is online now Add to RPETER65's Reputation Report Post

Alabama Punishes All Voters And Drivers By Closing DMV Offices

The first phase in Alabama was passing a strict voter ID law. The second phase was to close down more than 90 percent of DMV offices. The third phase may involve restricting voting to just four spots, unless the trend is reversed. And your state may be the next one to emulate Alabama.
Slashing funding to the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency (ALEA) involves draconian budget cuts that would eventually eliminate 45 of 49 driver's license offices. For a state with one of the lowest voting rates in the country, that trend is sure to continue its decline.
Former New York Senator and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton raised the concern during a campaign stop in Birmingham, Alabama, pointing out that many of the targeted offices are in areas where poor blacks live. And Congresswoman Terri Sewell raised the issue with the Department of Justice to investigate, but given the recent gutting of the Voting Rights Act by the Supreme Court (Shelby County v. Holder, which is an Alabama case, by the way), that avenue seems less likely to bear fruit.

The measure has been described as a cost-saving measure, but unless the state is cutting 92 percent of their drivers, it doesn't make sense to cut 92 percent of its DMV offices. It just means longer lines at the DMV offices that stay open.
Evidence shows that some folks may have to drive up to 186 miles to reach the nearest DMV. I am sure critics will say that's just a three-hour drive, but going back and forth makes it a six hour swing, to say nothing of the line you might face when you get there. Our rural Georgia DMV branch always has people waiting in line when I go there.
And if you live in one of the four spots lucky enough to keep a DMV, you'll have to get in line behind everyone whose DMV office closed and drove a long way to get there. Forget renewing your license during your lunch break.
In an attempt to ward off criticism, Governor Robert Bentley offered the possibility that the DMV office would open up for one day a month in each of the exiting 49 branches. See my earlier comments about lines and costs for how this idea might go over.
But aren't other Southern states doing the same thing? Not today. There are 44 DMV offices in Tennessee, 66 in South Carolina, at least one in all 67 counties in Florida, 98 in Mississippi and plenty more in Georgia (my students looked these up before class).
For the record, as someone who lives right next door to East Alabama and has relatives in Central Alabama, I know that some of those affected areas also include poor rural whites who tend to vote conservative. What's two hours on Mapquest is not two hours on those back roads, if you've ever driven them. It also targets college students in Auburn and at the University of Alabama, which includes liberal and conservative students. In fact, students of ours who are residents of Alabama but attend college here in Georgia were the ones who brought the issue to my attention.
Each of those groups pose a threat to the new governing establishment in the Alabama legislature, either in a general election or in a GOP party primary. If you can force someone to drive six hours to get a voter ID just to cast a ballot, what's keeping you from requiring someone to drive a similar length just to vote on Election Day?
For anyone living in Alabama, or states considering emulating Alabama, it's time to call your legislator, before you have to drive 186 miles and back to vote for or against that person.


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Originally Posted by RPETER65

And how are they making it more difficult for blacks to vote?

Seriously, do you live in a cave?

Republicans will do *anything* to try and win.

Update, Sunday, October 19: On Saturday, the Supreme Court upheld Texas' "discriminatory" voter ID law, potentially disenfranchising some 600,000 largely minority voters ahead of the midterms.

Update, Wednesday, October 15: After a federal trial court struck down Texas' "discriminatory" new voter ID law last week, a federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that the state can enforce the restrictive law after all in November. Opponents of the law may file an emergency appeal to the Supreme Court.

On Thursday evening, two separate courts blocked restrictive voter ID laws in Wisconsin and Texas that could have disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of mostly black and Latino voters in the upcoming November midterm elections.

Both states' laws would have required voters to provide photo identification before casting their ballots. Such laws reduce minority and youth turnout, according to a Government Accountability Office study released Wednesday.

On Thursday, the Supreme Court issued an emergency order blocking a voter ID law Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker signed in 2011. The court cited no reason for its move, which is common for emergency orders. Voting rights advocates challenging the law had charged that if it were in effect in November it would "virtually guarantee chaos at the polls," the New York Times reported, as the state would not have enough time to issue IDs and train poll workers before the election. There are about 300,000 registered voters in Wisconsin who lack an ID. Most of them are black or Hispanic.

Also on Thursday, a federal trial court in Texas struck down that state’s voter ID law, ruling that it overly burdened minority voters, who are less likely to have a government-issued ID, and as such violated the Voting Rights Act. More than 600,000 registered voters in Texas lack appropriate IDs.

The move by the Supreme Court reverses a recent trend by the high court upholding voting restrictions. The court upheld a law in Ohio that cut down on early voting, as well as a measure North Carolina enacted in 2013 eliminating same-day registration and banning the counting of ballots accidentally cast at the wrong precinct.

Both Texas and Wisconsin had claimed their laws would crack down on voter fraud. Confirmed instances of in-person voter fraud are rarer than UFO sightings.

The Supreme Court Just Blocked Scott Walker's Voter ID Law | Mother Jones