Thread: What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

^ please inform the australian dm that it's no longer an issue to be concerned about.

trump has a secret plan.

I'm sure he has. One day he may publish it for his citizens to view and the rest of the worlds take into account. Currently there appears to be confusion in the POTUSE administration in may areas.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Personally, I think it great that muslims are fighting among themselves. I would prefer America not get into any other conflicts, but I do not call the shots.

I just thought any entity that has pissed off so many governments would be wiped off the face of the earth in short order.

Rick nailed it Muslims fighting Muslims is the way forward. It would take decades for the blood lust to work its way out of the Muslim psyche.

If history is any guide, research some of the Christian sectarian wars after Martin Luther broke with the Pope.

Only when Muslims themselves are truly sick of fighting will they consider living in peace with each other and their neighbors.

But...

Originally Posted by Lancelot

Only when Muslims themselves are truly sick of fighting will they consider living in peace with each other and their neighbors

...and sick of tribalism, sectarianism, self-imposed ignorance, intolerance and quite a variety of other unpleasant traits...still, I'm optimistic...

Originally Posted by tomcat

I'm optimistic...

I don't believe you.

Originally Posted by Slick

I don't believe you.

...busted...

Originally Posted by Lancelot

Only when Muslims themselves are truly sick of fighting will they consider living in peace with each other and their neighbors.

By far the majority of them already are and do.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...and sick of tribalism, sectarianism, self-imposed ignorance, intolerance and quite a variety of other unpleasant traits...still, I'm optimist

Yep those NI protestants really need to move on.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

By far the majority of them already are and do

Agree.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by tomcat

...and sick of tribalism, sectarianism, self-imposed ignorance, intolerance and quite a variety of other unpleasant traits...still, I'm optimist

Yep those NI protestants really need to move on.

As do the kiddie fiddling catholics.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

By far the majority of them already are and do

Where this is the case, I think you'll find that government, strongman repression and an active secret police are responsible for what "peace" there is. Tunisia, a possible exception, is constantly under threat of local fanatic Muslims blowing up its the urban centers.

the mods should close this thread....trump's secret plan is all we need.

Another step toward defeating ISIS is to get some principles together to discuss strategies which could lead to their defeat. This is a good thing right now since ISIS seems to be on their back foot in the battlefield.

Donald Trump to host 68-nation meeting on Isis and the coalition's next move | The Independent

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Another step toward defeating ISIS is to get some principles together to discuss strategies which could lead to their defeat. This is a good thing now that ISIS seems to be on their back foot right now.

Donald Trump to host 68-nation meeting on Isis and the coalition's next move | The Independent

I don't see the International community having the will to stamp out ISIS...

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

By far the majority of them already are and do

Where this is the case, I think you'll find that government, strongman repression and an active secret police are responsible for what "peace" there is. Tunisia, a possible exception, is constantly under threat of local fanatic Muslims blowing up its the urban centers.

You got it buddy. Many Muslim majority "countries" are artificial lines on a map, drawn by British and French colonialists. Often those countries are comprised of different tribes that are historic enemies. Its nothing more than a pressure cooker with the strong man keeping the lid on.

Remember Tito and Yugoslavia?

Originally Posted by Lancelot

Remember Tito and Yugoslavia?

...exactly, and more recently Saddam and Iraq, Mobarek and Egypt and Qaddhafi and Libya...looks like Assad of Syria gets a reprieve (thanks to a Russian strongman)...

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by Lancelot

Remember Tito and Yugoslavia?

...exactly, and more recently Saddam and Iraq, Mobarek and Egypt and Qaddhafi and Libya...looks like Assad of Syria gets a reprieve (thanks to a Russian strongman)...

Yeah Assad is a survivor, albeit with a much smaller chunk of Syria. Neo Cons were having wet dreams about "The Arab Spring" soon North Africa and the middle east were going to be pro US, democratic, capitalist countries loving KFC and Coca Cola.

How's that working now?

Originally Posted by Lancelot

Neo Cons were having wet dreams about "The Arab Spring" soon North Africa and the middle east were going to be pro US, democratic, capitalist countries loving KFC and Coca Cola.

How's that working now?

They still love their KFC and Coca Cola. The rest is a long way off.

What will it take?

Trump and the Russians, clearly!

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Trump and the Russians, clearly!

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Another step toward defeating ISIS is to get some principles together to discuss strategies which could lead to their defeat. This is a good thing right now since ISIS seems to be on their back foot in the battlefield.

Donald Trump to host 68-nation meeting on Isis and the coalition's next move | The Independent

I wonder if that 68-nation meeting will include Russia. It should, of course.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Another step toward defeating ISIS is to get some principles together to discuss strategies which could lead to their defeat. This is a good thing right now since ISIS seems to be on their back foot in the battlefield.

Donald Trump to host 68-nation meeting on Isis and the coalition's next move | The Independent

I wonder if that 68-nation meeting will include Russia. It should, of course.

Of course it should and China as well. Both have sizable Muslim populations

Hard to see this ever ending. One religion the leader kills himself for an example. The other religion the leader kills everyone else for an example.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Hard to see this ever ending. One religion the leader kills himself for an example. The other religion the leader kills everyone else for an example.

Hmmmmm, never looked at it that way. No argument from me...

Originally Posted by tomcat

...and it won't end until Muslims accept a more enlightened form of Islam (think Reformation),

"From its earliest days, Islam possessed a tradition of revival and reform". John Esposito, Islam, the straight path.

There has already been a period/movement of Islamic reformism/modernism, as well as revivalism, and other movements. They helped get us to where we are today.

Originally Posted by tomcat

and refuse to accept leaders who threaten rather than lead...

You mean like the Arab Spring? Look how that's turned out so far.

Originally Posted by tomcat

this won't all come at once, of course, but possibly sooner in areas closer to Europe, with greater western exposure and a steady stream of international travellers (Morocco, Tunisia

Tunisians make up the greatest number of IS recruits.

Originally Posted by tomcat

and non-Shia areas of Lebanon come to mind)...

Have you ever been to Lebanon? Or know much about it? I think not.