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Posting for the sake of it, are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
I thought I posted that they cannot be changed, so wtf are you on about unless you know something the world doesn't?Quote:
Which core beliefs do you want to see changed?
As I recall you needed guidance on what those core values were just a few posts back, so if you followed my link and are now up to date, perhaps you could give me a starter for ten by suggesting which if any you would like changed, and then how you might accomplish that without a head.
Fuck me. You've gone all Foobar on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by jabir
No. You're just making shit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by jabir
Let me remind you of what you wrote in your post:
It seemed to me that you were saying that western leaders were addressing the wrong thing ("the front end, that bit they can see") and that you were therefore suggesting they should be focussing on "unchanging core beliefs".Quote:
Originally Posted by jabir
But if that was not your point, what point were you trying to make?
That hurt, not foobar, anything but that per-lease!
What did I 'make up'? - that western leaders are addressing just the bit they can see? or that they do so because that's the easier course? or that they are clueless and ignorant, or worse, that they do realise they do not have the will, the means or the resources to change core beliefs which have not changed in 1400 years?Quote:
No. You're just making shit up.
But none of the above should apply, since you kicked off your current effort by confessing ignorance of those very core beliefs. So either you knew or you didn't. If you did know, why fcuk around instead of manning up to directly challenge my statement? And if you didn't know at that time, then I have given you a fine link to brush up.
What do you mean 'therefore I am suggesting'? I suggested nothing of the sort. I made an observation, based on my opinion that any genuine and concerted rather than frivolous politically motivated effort to rid the world of the IS would begin in a back room - not in the field - by understanding what it represents, how it came to be, and why the "core beliefs" of the ideology may allow it to be defeated in the field with a long, long way to defeat, or change, or even scratch the underlying ideology.Quote:
It seemed to me that you were saying that western leaders were addressing the wrong thing ("the front end, that bit they can see") and that you were therefore suggesting they should be focussing on "unchanging core beliefs".
That I "needed guidance on what those core values were"Quote:
Originally Posted by jabir
And there you go again, foobar.Quote:
Originally Posted by jabir
Quote me where you interpreted me saying that.
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Originally Posted by jabir
So you meant the "core beliefs" of IS and not the "core beliefs" of Islam.Quote:
Originally Posted by jabir
Let's hope those "lazy and/or ignorant" western leaders get in touch with you and invite you to a back room to discuss your ideas. :rolleyes:
Sorry to be aQuote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
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Weren't these also "convenient" words and symbols to slaughter others, for the then current money changers?
"Saladin/Muslim Hoards",
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"Christianity,"
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"Nazis",
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"Jews",
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"Commies",
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"Communist China"
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Whichever ones you know about; ie, if you know any then that or those are it.Quote:
Which core beliefs do you think they should be adressing that they are not adressing?
And ftr I did not advocate addressing them since I'm aware, as you are even if you pretend otherwise, they cannot be changed; hence core beliefs, the driving force. However my point that seems to have gone whoosh is that by fighting the front end, the bit they can see, without understanding what makes it tick is futile.
Wrong again, to imply that the core beliefs (ie driving force) of IS differ from those of Islam. And if you believe the IS does not practice the purest form of Islam anywhere in the world since 1924, I invite you to suggest who or what does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
There's nothing I know or could suggest that others more qualified couldn't do more effectively, about this, global warming, Brexit or anything else; but not having practical solutions does not equate to ignorance, at least not to the level of your comment.:rolleyes:Quote:
Let's hope those "lazy and/or ignorant" western leaders get in touch with you and invite you to a back room to discuss your ideas. :rolleyes:
We'll leave it at that then, foobar light.Quote:
Originally Posted by jabir
I thought the fake raghead scholar is "Keda light"?
TPFKAKeda
Syrian allies relationships clarified?
Can Netanyahu risk a “battle of Missiles" with Syria.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin (R) shakes hands with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a meeting at the Kremlin in Moscow on February 27, 2019.
"It was the eleventhand the most important meeting between the Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The Israeli visitor heard clearly from his host that Moscow has no leverage to ask Iran to leave or to stop the flow of weapons to Damascus and that Iran will remain in Syria and that Russia has no say over the Syrian-Iranian relationship. Moscow informed Tel Aviv about “Damascus’s determination to respond to any future bombing and that Russia doesn’t see itself concerned”.
According to well-informed sources in Damascus, “the few hours of the visitof President Bashar al-Assad to Tehran were enough to send messages in all directions. The first message was the fact that the visit took place just before Netanyahu’s scheduled meeting with Putin. The second message was to display the robust cemented relationship between Iran and Syria, immune from any outside interference from the US or Russia and that Syria has the sovereign right to choose its strategic partners. The secretive nature of the visit – not even Russia was informed in advance – speaks volumes about the Syrian-Iranian relationship”.
“Russia exerted pressure on President Obama to prevent the US from bombing Damascus on the false flag pretext of chemical weapons and set up its military apparatus in Syria in 2015. Russia helped Syria to victory, imposed a political dialogue, and protected Syria in the international arena, speeding up the return of refugees (the US wanted to use the refugees in a failed attempt to gain concessions that it could not obtain by war). Moreover, Russia is putting pressure on many countries to contribute to the reconstruction of Syria and to resume diplomatic relations with Damascus. Russia is a strategic ally but exerts no power of control over the central government”, said the source.
The strategic relationship between Tehran and Damascus started – under the “Axis of the Resistance” – long before the war. In 2011, Iran rushed to support the central government to prevent the US-EU-Arab “regime-change” plan. It thwarted the transformation of Syria into Islamic Emirates ruled by Takfiri jihadists. Tehran offered oil, financial and military support to Syria throughout its seven years of war and rejected any proposition, even by Russia, to change President Assad for any other Syrian personality, as repeatedly proposed by the US.
Russia enjoys an excellent relationship with Israel and intend to maintain that relationship. Iran, on the other hand, is ready to wage war against Israel if Netanyahu ever decides to bomb significant strategic objectives in Syria. The head of Iran’s National Security Council, Admiral Ali Shamkhani, saidIran will respond by hitting Israeli targets if Israel bombs Syria. The same warning was delivered by Syria’s Ambassador to the UN, who recently warned that his country will retaliateif Damascus is bombed.
Since these last warnings, Israel has refrained from violating Syria sovereignty (except for one insignificant artillery bombing against an empty position in south Syria). Iranian officials in Syria had a curt response to their Russian counterparts who asked to have details on the locations of their military deployment in Syria. Iranians told the Russian military to inform Israel that the Iranian positions have been integrated with those of the Syrian army all over Syrian territory, and that any bombing of the Syrian army will hit Iranian advisors.
Iran in effect asked Russia to inform Israel that any future Israeli attack will trigger a retaliatory response, since the presence of Iranian advisors in the Levant is at the official request of the Syrian government. It is legitimate for all allied forces, if under attack, to respond with the similar firepower against any future aggression.
Netanyahu seems willing to bomb Syria. Nevertheless, if Iran and Syria stand by their promised response, he will not be able to stop the precision missiles ready to be launched against Israel. The Israeli Prime Minister is not aiming to dislodge Iran from Syria, an objective he knows to be impossible. Neither can he aspire to destroy Syria’s military capacity because Russia continues to supply Damascus with highly sophisticated weapons. His only plausible objective is an electoral one, with the goal of escaping imminent indictment for bribery charges related to corruption. A second term may postpone his indictment and prolong his immunity.
However, if the Israeli Prime Minister decides to bomb Syria, his decision will have a boomerang effect, especially if Syrian missiles hit deadly targets in the heart of Israel. Will Netanyahu take the risk and bomb his political future?
It is his decision. "
https://ejmagnier.com/2019/02/28/can...es-with-syria/
Goldilocks is on the happy pills again.
Trump says all Islamic State territory retaken, contradicting allied commander
JOINT BASE ELMENDORF-RICHARDSON, Alaska (Reuters) - President Donald Trump told American troops on Thursday that U.S.-backed forces in Syria have retaken 100 percent of the territory once held by Islamic State militants,:) contradicting the commander of the U.S.-allied Syrian Democratic Forces, who said it would take another week.
“We just took over, you know, you kept hearing it was 90 percent, 92 percent, the caliphate in Syria. Now it’s 100 percent we just took over, 100 percent caliphate:),” Trump told troops at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson during a refueling stop in Alaska.
Earlier on Thursday, the commander of Syrian Democratic Forces, Mazloum Kobani, said in a video released to the news media that the SDF would be able to announce “the complete victory over Daesh (Islamic State) in a week.” :)
Trump made his comments while talking to U.S. troops in Alaska about the progress his administration has made in Afghanistan and the Middle East over the past two years. He stopped in Alaska on his way back from talks in Vietnam with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
The U.S. president has been anxious to declare that Islamic State has been driven out of all its territory:) since announcing in December that he would withdraw American forces from Syria, claiming they had succeeded in their mission to defeat the militant group.
While the United States has withdrawn some troops, Trump responded to criticism of his move by deciding to leave some 400 U.S. troops in the country over the longer run: 200 to remain in the northeast as part of a multinational force and 200 to remain at an outpost in the southeast to counter Iranian influence.
The U.S. president said on Feb. 6 he expected a formal announcement the following week that coalition forces had recaptured all territory previously held by Islamic State in Syria.:) That announcement has yet to be made.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...KCN1QH2NW?il=0
One presumes he receives his "information" from ameristan MSM.
^excellent.
Syria preparing its missiles for the next battle with Israel
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"Syria and its allies are preparing their missiles for a forthcoming battle with Israel if Tel Aviv decides to open fire against significant military positions under the control of the Syrian army.
Well informed sources say that “it all depends on the direction the Israeli elections will take. If Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu estimates his chances are high enough to win a second term, then he will not venture any time soon into a new confrontation with Syria and its allies. The date of the next battle will be postponed. But, if he believes he will lose the election, then the possibility of his initiating a battle becomes very high. A serious battle between Israel on one hand and Syria and Iran on the other would be sufficient enough to postpone the elections. Netanyahu doesn’t have many choices: either he wins the election and postpones the corruption court case against him, or he goes to jail”.
US European Command (EUCOM) recently send military airplanes, along with 200 US servicemen, carrying THAADanti-ballistic missile defence systems to be deployed in southern Israel. The official reason for deployment of this very modern and sophisticated system is said to be preparation for a joint drill between Israel and the US. THAAD will enhance the already existing Israeli anti-missile interception defence systems. These are “Iron Dome” for short-range, “David Sling” for tactical missiles and “The Arrow” for intercontinental ballistic missiles.
“The US doesn’t trust the Israeli system, and thus the THAAD system was deployed to hunt down any missiles launched by the Syrian or Iranian forces deployed in Syria as these promised in case of a battle triggered and provoked by Netanyahu. Both Syria and Iran promised immediate retaliation if Israel bombs any significant military positions in those countries. This is why the US has decided to take part in this confrontation, convinced that any future battle will be devastating for all parties”.
President Bashar al-Assad’s visit to Tehran made it clear to all involved in the Syrian war, especially the EU and the US, that Damascus will never ask Iran to withdraw from Syria to please third parties or in exchange for reconstruction or a normalisation of the relationship between the Arabs and Syria or between the West and Syria.
“The visit of the Syrian President to Iran helped President Putin clarify to his visitor Netanyahu that Moscow cannot help Israel with its request to get Iran out of Syria. The relationship between Syria and Iran is robust – Putin explained to his guest, as Damascus has learned –and Russia is in no position to ask for a change in the strategic relationship between the two countries”, said the source."
https://ejmagnier.com/2019/03/07/syr...e-with-israel/
Yep, they'll lose that one. Again.
Possibly so, possibly not.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Maybe you haven't noticed. The Syrian army is not very good at fighting wars on its own.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
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Unlike others (please no names here), even with a magnificent help of so called coalitions and/or ...(what was the Alliance name?)Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Just one on God's side is a majority.Quote:
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I believe Granada was accepted as a victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
Not to forget Panama (even without any help...)Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
pssst ... (sole global hegemon) :)
Sure was, showed them Hezbollah blokes not to piss off the US!Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Some believe otherwise:Quote:
Originally Posted by Texpat
"The United States is a declining hegemon, with a crumbling infrastructure, a failing educational system, a shrinking slice of the global economy, and a deeply polarized, divided citizenry."
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/will-china-be-the-next-global-hegemon/
In addition a woefully ill prepared military machine, unable to be used except in global nuclear holocaust, ill prepared political appointees, nearly 75% of the worlds counties and 80% of it's citizens ignoring ameristani diktat.
Oh jeezus. Here goes Omo making Russia, China (and anything that doesn't come out of the USA or western Europe) whiter than white.
Unfortunately there will be no end to ISIS or its' future incarnations when it is too easy to interpret a violent Islamic doctrine as well.....a violent Islamic doctrine. The anti Christian lobby will of course be along shortly for the usual tiresome "what about" comparison. Yawn.
Ah yes, the Spanish-American War of 1898.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Pretty sure that's where the US got control of Puerto Rico.
Exclusive: Islamic State fighter wants to return to Italy, warns of 'sleeper cells'
QAMISHLI, Syria (Reuters) - An Islamic State fighter detained in Syria urged Italy on Saturday to let him come home to start a new life, saying he had abandoned the self-styled jihadist “caliphate” after growing disillusioned with its rulers.
Mounsef al-Mkhayar, a 22-year-old of Moroccan descent who grew up in Italy, spoke to Reuters in his first interview since surrendering to the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) two months ago.
He has been in prison since emerging from Baghouz, a tiny village in eastern Syria where the SDF is poised to wipe out the last vestige of Islamic State rule - which once spanned a third of Iraq and Syria.
Mkhayar gave an account of growing chaos among jihadists on the brink of defeat, and of disputes in the ranks as top commanders fled Syria.
But he said Islamic State was also planning for the next phase, smuggling out hundreds of men to set up sleeper cells across Iraq and eastern Syria: “They said ‘We must get revenge.’”
Mkhayar is one of thousands from all over the world who were drawn to the promise of an ultra-radical Sunni Islamist utopia overriding national borders. Kurdish security officials identified him as Italian, and he said he holds Italian citizenship.
MORE https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKBN1QQ0MC
Care to clarify what, in my post 33547, you are referring too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Cow
The source web site appears to be an ameristani one. Not all the contributing authors are though. Is that your problem?
https://www.truthdig.com/about-us/
Try this one:Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
United States invasion of Grenada
The United States invasion of Grenada began on 25 October 1983
http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...ion_of_Grenada
Hey don't get all snotty with me just because you're crap at geography.
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Hugh, Alfred McCoy wrote the article at OhOh's TruthDig link. Originally posted here: Tomgram: Alfred McCoy, Will China Be the Next Global Hegemon? | TomDispatchQuote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Cow
https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Hero.../dp/1556524838
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What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?
ISIS is a ideology and you cant get rid of an ideology all you can do is make it less desirable by providing an alternative , more desirable way of life.
Drowning people grasp at straws, those who can't find justice in this world look outside of it for justice.
Throw drowning people a life vest and they will not grasp for straws, provide justice and they will not seek it elsewhere.
All the rest is simply BS!
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Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai
You're approximately correct.
Make this life actually worth living for them and they will probably want to put off the next one as long as possible.
Unless they're mentally retarded, which sadly most religious people are.
Agree whole heartedly.Quote:
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The question is , are they religious because they are retarded or are they (act) retarded because they are religious.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
It has being said " Good people do good things, bad people do bad things, it takes religion to make good people do bad things"
If you prescribe to the second proposition as I do, then you have to ask why are they religious? do they have a genetic predisposition, or are there other reasons that can be mitigated.
Christ almighty...another one. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai
If only the crondupilies could be abrosticated.
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyrille
US policy failure reopens Iraqi-Syrian borders and the Iran-Beirut road
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Men suspected of being Islamic State (IS) fighetrs wait to be searched by members of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) after leaving the IS group’s last holdout of Baghouz, in Syria’s northern Deir Ezzor province on February 22, 2019
“A dinosaur with a bird’s brain”. This is how the ex-President of Iran Hashemi Rafsanjani described the United States of America, evoking its great military strength but lack of strategic intelligence in foreign policy. Indeed, the very unusual meeting of the chiefs of staff of Syria, Iraq and Iran in Damascus this week would not have been possible without the latest US action in Syria. The US establishment has done a favour for the three countries aligned with the “Axis of resistance” by eliminating the “Islamic State” group (ISIS) in its last stronghold east of the Euphrates. The US attack on Baghuz (east of Syria), done in conjunction with its Kurdish proxies, has led the three military commanders to decide to re-open the land road between Syria and Iraq, paving the way for a safe Iranian land passage to Iraq and Syria. This means the Tehran-Baghdad-Damascus-Beirut road is now clear. This is not the first time the US establishment has rendered substantial strategic support to Iran with its clumsy planning.
When US President Donald Trump decided to pull out of Syria, describing it as a land of “sand and death”, he was serious about his plan. However, the US could not leave without first eliminating the ISIS pocket in the area under US control in the east of Syria, which would have meant leaving in place what has been the sole pretext for its occupation of the area. This is why Trump was advised to eliminate ISIS first and then withdraw his troops. He finally ordered his forces to do so after long months of inaction, during which the US effectively offered protection to the terror group and allowed tens of thousands of ISIS militants to move freely to attack the Syrian Army and its allies along the Deir-ezzour al-Bukamal axis.
The significance of Trump’s decision to finally move against ISIS cannot be overestimated. Since 2014 the US has been engaged in a phoney war against ISIS, pretending to fight this brutal takfiri group while in fact allowing it to expand and killing Syrian Army soldiers who actually fought the group. Throughout this time the US has used ISIS as a pretext for the US military presence in Syria. The US did bomb ISIS occupied Raqqah and destroyed it; it then made a deal to deport many thousands of ISIS partisans. But the ongoing Battle of Baghuz marks the first time the US has really fought ISIS. To his credit, Trump is now doing what the US has only pretended to do for five years: actually fighting ISIS. This spectacular and drawn out campaign allows Trump to take credit for defeating ISIS, although for half a decade the forces actually fighting ISIS have been the Syrian Army, Russia, the Iraqi PMU/Hashed al-Shaabi, the Iraqi Army, Lebanese Hezbollah, and Iran.
In Baghuz, US forces (and European allies) have bombarded ISIS to squeeze it into a small confined city. They succeeded in opening a safe passage for women, children, elderly, wounded ISIS militants, and many of those willing to surrender. Over 35,000 ISIS and families have come out of that small place. 9,000 militants have been wounded or killed. The US and their Kurdish proxy forces have managed to corner the remnants of the terrorist group in a small area less than 1 square km and are about to launch the final assault in the coming days. It is only a matter of time before ISIS gives up its last stronghold east of the Euphrates.
The imminent removal of the ISIS threat provided the occasion for an unusual meeting. Iranian chief of staff Major general Mohammad Baqeri, Syrian defence minister Ali Abdullah Ayyoub, and the Iraqi Chief of Staff Lt General Othman al-Ghanmi met in the Syrian capital Damascus and decided to re-open the borders between Iraq and Syria.
Trump and his generals recognised their mistake in creating a safe passage for Iran and Iraq into Syria by removing ISIS from that area. The presence of ISIS made it impossible for Iranian and Iraqi nationals and goods to travel safely to Syria. This realisation led to the US decision to leave several hundred US members of the armed forces behind.
Thanks to the US move, Iran can now send all needed support and resume commerce with Syria, at a time when Israel has been bombing Damascus airport to try and slow down the re-supply of the Syrian army with precision missiles and other military equipment needed to rebuild the Army’s defence force. With the opening of a new border crossing between Iraq and Syria, the US occupation of the al-Tanf crossing becomes less significant. If the US tries to pressure Iraq to stop its commerce with Iran or Syria, Baghdad will ask for the departure of Trump’s forces from Mesopotamia.
Trump’s decision also means that Syria’s economy will be able to regain some strength once the land road reopens into Iraq. The three military commanders had a good laugh about US policy and action in Syria. They have benefitted from continuous strategic mistakes by Washington since its occupation of Iraq in 2003 and the removal of Iran’s fiercest enemy, Saddam Hussein.
ISIS remains a security danger but not a military threat. Its remnants can still carry out attacks against convoys or soft targets even after the joint agreement of the three countries to patrol the borders and help with their technology, intelligence, and soldiers to protect the al-Bu Kamal border crossing and join the efforts to combat ISIS. The US generally looks at the big picture, as its thinkers and planners plan to redraw borders, change regimes and create failed states. However, they sometimes disregard details that can turn a situation in favour of their supposed enemies, in this case, Iran. As Rafsanjani once commented, the US is “a dinosaur with a bird’s brain”.
Not only Rafsanjani has made such caustic remarks. At a recent Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps – Quds brigade event celebrating Commander Major General Qassem Soleimani’s success in Iraq and Syria, the leader of the revolution Sayyed Ali Khamenei said, with reference to the US (and Saudi Arabia): “we thank Allah, who rendered our enemies imbeciles”.
https://ejmagnier.com/2019/03/21/us-...n-beirut-road/