What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

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30-10-2015, 09:53 PM
MrG

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Originally Posted by Neverna

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Originally Posted by Neverna

The FSA are not being invited to the talks.

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The Vienna talks, which begin Thursday, will start with Russia and the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates. Iran will join Friday.

It should also be noted that the Syrian government will not be there, the FSA will not be there and the Kurds will not be there. It makes me wonder what it's really all about.

I don't know, but the first thing that comes to mind is the powers-that-be are carving up the territory to suit them, not the people/cultures/ethnicities or boundaries of the people who live there. Read the history of the ME at the end of WWI to see how they F'd it up last time.
30-10-2015, 10:49 PM
Neo

If this fire ever gets put out the aftermath will see conflict between Kurds and Turks.
The Kurds are well armed and experienced in battle, holding a significant area on the Syria - Turkey border. Turkey is a NATO country.
30-10-2015, 11:34 PM
harrybarracuda

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Originally Posted by Neverna

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Originally Posted by Neverna

The FSA are not being invited to the talks.

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The Vienna talks, which begin Thursday, will start with Russia and the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates. Iran will join Friday.

It should also be noted that the Syrian government will not be there, the FSA will not be there and the Kurds will not be there. It makes me wonder what it's really all about.

Seems to me that it's going to be a load of countries trying to persuade Iran and Russia to send Assad out to pasture in an attempt at finding a new leader and inclusive government capable of unifying the Alawite, Sunni and Kurds against the extremist Quran bashers (if that's even possible now).
31-10-2015, 12:20 AM
MrG

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Originally Posted by Neo

If this fire ever gets put out the aftermath will see conflict between Kurds and Turks.
The Kurds are well armed and experienced in battle, holding a significant area on the Syria - Turkey border. Turkey is a NATO country.

Yes. That whole situation is hangin' fire over that part of the world, if not more.
31-10-2015, 02:01 AM
harrybarracuda

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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov said on Friday that no country could use military force in Syria without first securing the agreement of the Syrian government, the TASS news agency reported.

And Obama says "Fuck you very much".

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US sending special forces troops to Syria in ISIL fight
President Barack Obama has authorized no more than 50 troops.
By NICK GASS 10/30/15, 7:19 PM CET Updated 10/30/15, 7:22 PM CET
The United States announced Friday that it is sending a limited number of special forces troops to begin operating in northern Syria to advise and assist rebels in the ongoing fight against the Islamic State.
31-10-2015, 02:05 AM
Dragonfly

Then obama won't come back crying when Russian start bombing their special forces troops on the ground

go Russia, go
31-10-2015, 02:21 AM
MrG

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Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Then obama won't come back crying when Russian start bombing their special forces troops on the ground

go Russia, go

The world is grateful that Russian and US leaders are smarter than you. A low bar, I know, but still....
31-10-2015, 06:22 AM
helge

If ISIS is up for a beer or two, I'm buying

She can bring some friends

I'm happy
31-10-2015, 06:53 AM
RPETER65

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Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Then obama won't come back crying when Russian start bombing their special forces troops on the ground

go Russia, go

Are you insane enough to actually believe that will happen?
31-10-2015, 12:48 PM
harrybarracuda

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Originally Posted by RPETER65

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Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Then obama won't come back crying when Russian start bombing their special forces troops on the ground

go Russia, go

Are you insane enough to actually believe that will happen?

Probably exactly why they've been put there.

:)
31-10-2015, 03:30 PM
Dragonfly

yes, the Americans need an excuse to send troops on the ground, so placing special forces to be bombed by Russians seems quite possible, or they are completely dump and stupid at the Pentagon.

The US didn't get enough having their arse kicked in Afghanistan and Iraq, and now they want a real power like Russia or China against them. They probably think they got enough training with those 2 failed wars.

WW3 soon ? could be, other world wars have started for less
31-10-2015, 03:33 PM
Dragonfly

I had a very conservative US friend, the kind who would vote for Trump, and who has voted for Bush twice, and would still vote for him. A real fanatic and a complete lunatic. Great drinking buddy though.

He told me more than a few times that the US will eventually need to fight against Russia directly, or possibly China. The sooner, the better.

These kind of conservative lunatics are everywhere in the Pentagon decision process, so you can see how a real world war could start soon.

Of course they all assume they would win, like in a hollywood movie. The alternative reality version might not be as glamourous and exciting as one though.
31-10-2015, 06:02 PM
Neo

The US is relying on flag sales to prop up the economy.

https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2015/10/1672.jpg
01-11-2015, 12:15 PM
OhOh

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Originally Posted by MrG

The world is grateful that Russian and US leaders are smarter than you. A low bar, I know, but still...

There may of course be special International Laws, passed this morning by an Unexceptional countries politicians, which all world countries must obey. Otherwise they are seen as acting "provocatively".

Here is a quote from a Russian Deputy Foreign Minister:

Here, H&B, is a source reporting the minister:

Russia says no country can use military force in Syria without government approval | Reuters

"Russia's deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov said on Friday that no country could use military force in Syria without first securing the agreement of the Syrian government, the TASS news agency reported.

TASS said Ryabkov was responding to a question about the prospect of the United States launching a ground operation in Syria.

"The question of using military force in any form without the agreement of Damascus is for us unacceptable," it quoted him as saying."

Nothing on Tass though, Reuters stirring the pot maybey.
01-11-2015, 01:11 PM
harrybarracuda

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Originally Posted by OhOh

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Originally Posted by MrG

The world is grateful that Russian and US leaders are smarter than you. A low bar, I know, but still...

There may of course be special International Laws, passed this morning by an Unexceptional countries politicians, which all world countries must obey. Otherwise they are seen as acting "provocatively".

Here is a quote from a Russian Deputy Foreign Minister:

Here, H&B, is a source reporting the minister:

Russia says no country can use military force in Syria without government approval | Reuters

"Russia's deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov said on Friday that no country could use military force in Syria without first securing the agreement of the Syrian government, the TASS news agency reported.

TASS said Ryabkov was responding to a question about the prospect of the United States launching a ground operation in Syria.

"The question of using military force in any form without the agreement of Damascus is for us unacceptable," it quoted him as saying."

Nothing on Tass though, Reuters stirring the pot maybey.

I already reported this - and the US's immediate response that they were sending special forces in to assist the rebels.

Lavrov has no say in the matter.

Try and keep up.
02-11-2015, 09:54 AM
OhOh

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Lavrov has no say in the matter.

I can't see this in my post or are you referring to another matter?
02-11-2015, 01:45 PM
harrybarracuda

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Originally Posted by OhOh

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Lavrov has no say in the matter.

I can't see this in my post or are you referring to another matter?

I'm saying no-one pays any attention to what he says, they are Putin's words and he is nothing more than a glorified glove puppet with Putin's hand up his bum.
03-11-2015, 01:29 PM
HermantheGerman
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World | Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:25am EDT

Russia says no country can use military force in Syria without government approval MOSCOW

Russia's deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov said on Friday that no country could use military force in Syria without first securing the agreement of the Syrian government, the TASS news agency reported.

:chitown:
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29 August 2015
Turkey has carried out its first air strikes as part of the US-led coalition against the Islamic State group.
Turkey's foreign ministry said its jets began attacking IS targets across the border in Syria late on Friday.
03-11-2015, 04:19 PM
Neo
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Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

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29 August 2015
Turkey has carried out its first air strikes as part of the US-led coalition against the Islamic State group.
Turkey's foreign ministry said its jets began attacking IS targets across the border in Syria late on Friday.

:chitown:

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World | Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:25am EDT

Russia says no country can use military force in Syria without government approval MOSCOW
Russia's deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov said on Friday that no country could use military force in Syria without first securing the agreement of the Syrian government, the TASS news agency reported.
Fixed that for you :rolleyes:
03-11-2015, 04:28 PM
OhOh

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Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Quote: World | Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:25am EDT Russia says no country can use military force in Syria without government approval MOSCOW Russia's deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov said on Friday that no country could use military force in Syria without first securing the agreement of the Syrian government, the TASS news agency reported.

Now do a search of TASS and see if they have such an article. One should try to ascertain the provenance prior to accepting the pig to poke.

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Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Quote: 29 August 2015 Turkey has carried out its first air strikes as part of the US-led coalition against the Islamic State group. Turkey's foreign ministry said its jets began attacking IS targets across the border in Syria late on Friday.

Which Friday? The Friday before the 29th August 2015 was Friday the 28th of August 2015. :confused:
03-11-2015, 05:57 PM
thaimeme

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Originally Posted by Neo

The US is relying on flag sales to prop up the economy.

https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2015/10/1672.jpg

Bad kharma...
03-11-2015, 06:33 PM
harrybarracuda

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Originally Posted by OhOh

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Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Quote: World | Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:25am EDT Russia says no country can use military force in Syria without government approval MOSCOW Russia's deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov said on Friday that no country could use military force in Syria without first securing the agreement of the Syrian government, the TASS news agency reported.

Now do a search of TASS and see if they have such an article. One should try to ascertain the provenance prior to accepting the pig to poke.

What are you on about now? Are you saying Reuters invented this story?!

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Russia says no country can use military force in Syria without government approval | Reuters

Because if you are you're an idiot.

http://tass.ru/en/politics/832809
03-11-2015, 07:16 PM
moose65

its easy, just stop the U.S. buying their fucking oil !
03-11-2015, 07:33 PM
Neverna

I suppose what the Russian deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov is saying is that it's illegal as well as unacceptable rather than not physically possible.
03-11-2015, 07:33 PM
harrybarracuda

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Originally Posted by moose65

its easy, just stop the U.S. buying their fucking oil !

Buying whose oil?

The US is a net exporter now.

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