What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**harrybarracuda** · 25-10-2015, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

Nope... Putin is one of the bad guys too, but at this point in history he's one of the least bad. We'll have to see how this plays out, Putin has been vocal about the West's lack of participation in a political negotiation, I wonder if Putin and Assad will mind then if international observers oversee the election..

Assad would say "We can't guarantee observers safety" and then send a few of his black gangs out to shoot a few and blame it on the opposition.

**rickschoppers** · 25-10-2015, 10:56 PM

Interesting admission by Tony Blair:
Tony Blair makes qualified apology for Iraq war ahead of Chilcot report | UK news | The Guardian

Tony Blair has moved to prepare the ground for the publication of the Chilcot enquiry into the Iraq war by offering a qualified apology for the use of misleading intelligence and the failure to prepare for the aftermath of the invasion.

In an interview with Fareed Zakaria on CNN, the former British prime minister declined to apologise for the war itself and defended armed intervention in 2003, pointing to the current civil war in Syria to highlight the dangers of inaction.

Analysis There is no doubt about it: Tony Blair was on the warpath from early 2002
Colin Powell’s memo confirms what is broadly known, but will add to pressure on Chilcot inquiry to clear up controversy over PM in run up to invasion of Iraq
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Blair, who will be aware of what Chilcot is planning to say about him in the long-awaited report into the Iraq war, moved to pre-empt its criticisms in an interview with CNN. He told Zakaria: “I apologise for the fact that the intelligence we received was wrong.

“I also apologise for some of the mistakes in planning and, certainly, our mistake in our understanding of what would happen once you removed the regime.”

But the former prime minister made clear that he still felt he made the right decision in backing the US invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam Hussein. He said: “I find it hard to apologise for removing Saddam.”

Blair also made light of the claims that he should stand trial on war crimes charges and defended his policy of what he used to describe as liberal interventionism. The former prime minister contrasted what he described as “my ‘crime’” – the removal of Saddam – and the civil war in Syria.

“We have stood back and we, in the west, bear responsibility for this – Europe most of all. We’ve done nothing. That’s a judgment of history I’m prepared to have.” The former prime minister indicated that he saw merit in the argument that the Iraq war was to blame for the rise of Islamic State (Isis). “I think there are elements of truth in that,” he said when asked whether the Iraq invasion had been the “principal cause” of the rise of Isis.

He added: “Of course you can’t say those of us who removed Saddam in 2003 bear no responsibility for the situation in 2015.”

Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish first minister, responded by saying that the “Blair spin operation” had swung into action as Sir John Chilcot prepares to set out a timetable for the publication of his report.

The Scottish first minister tweeted: “The Blair spin operation begins but the country still awaits the truth. The delay to Chilcot report is a scandal.”

In his long-awaited report, Chilcot is expected to criticise the use of intelligence that suggested Hussein had weapons of mass destruction in the run-up to the Iraq war. The former Northern Ireland Office permanent secretary is also expected to say that the UK and the US failed to make adequate preparations for the aftermath of the invasion.

Blair’s office sought to downplay the significance of the CNN interview, with a spokeswoman saying: “Tony Blair has always apologised for the intelligence being wrong and for mistakes in planning. He has always also said, and says again here, that he does not however think it was wrong to remove Saddam.

Analysis There is no doubt about it: Tony Blair was on the warpath from early 2002
Colin Powell’s memo confirms what is broadly known, but will add to pressure on Chilcot inquiry to clear up controversy over PM in run up to invasion of Iraq
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“He did not say the decision to remove Saddam in 2003 ‘caused Isis’ and pointed out that Isis was barely heard of at the end of 2008, when al-Qaida was basically beaten. He went on to say in 2009, Iraq was relatively more stable. What then happened was a combination of two things: there was a sectarian policy pursued by the government of Iraq, which were mistaken policies. But also when the Arab spring began, Isis moved from Iraq into Syria, built themselves from Syria and then came back into Iraq. All of this he has said before.”

Chilcot is preparing to outline a timetable for the publication of his report in the next 10 days. Blair will be aware of what criticisms Chilcot is planning to make of him because the inquiry chair has written to all key participants as part of what is known as the Maxwellisation process. It allows them to respond to criticisms before publication.

Chilcot was a member of the Butler inquiry, which in 2004 raised concerns about the intelligence before the Iraq invasion. The inquiry also questioned the way in which senior intelligence officials and Downing Street stripped out caveats from intelligence assessments.

**Dragonfly** · 25-10-2015, 11:58 PM

let's hope Russia starts kicking European ass if they try to stop Putin from accomplishing this

**MrG** · 26-10-2015, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

let's hope Russia starts kicking European ass if they try to stop Putin from accomplishing this

I assume you're just being provocative.
1) How exactly should Russia start kicking European ass. War...? An economic ass kicking...?
2) Stop Putin from accomplishing what...?

**DrB0b** · 26-10-2015, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by MrG

1) How exactly should Russia start kicking European ass. War...? An economic ass kicking...?

Obviously an economic ass kicking. If you think they can't do that then you're living in some far-off dream land. Europe is Russias and China's bum boy, our power is long gone.

**harrybarracuda** · 26-10-2015, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by MrG

1) How exactly should Russia start kicking European ass. War...? An economic ass kicking...?

Obviously an economic ass kicking. If you think they can't do that then you're living in some far-off dream land. Europe is Russias and China's bum boy, our power is long gone.

And how would they do that then?

**MrG** · 26-10-2015, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by MrG

1) How exactly should Russia start kicking European ass. War...? An economic ass kicking...?

Obviously an economic ass kicking. If you think they can't do that then you're living in some far-off dream land. Europe is Russias and China's bum boy, our power is long gone.

Bit of an overstatement at best.

Russia has a big impact on European Oil supplies, but that didn't make Europe a Russian bum boy when the EU imposed sanctions against Russia over Crimea. And by "our power" you mean American, NATO hasn't gone anywhere, nor has American economic presence. It's a different world from the 1950s, 60s, and 70s, and American power is not what it was. But I don't live in a dream world that sees Russia overseaing European soil anytime soon.

**panama hat** · 26-10-2015, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by MrG

1) How exactly should Russia start kicking European ass. War...? An economic ass kicking...?

Obviously an economic ass kicking. If you think they can't do that then you're living in some far-off dream land. Europe is Russias and China's bum boy, our power is long gone.

And how would they do that then?

I'm not convinced that Europe is neither Russia nor China's bum boy - not by a long shot.
China because our christmas toys are made there?
Russia for oil and gas?

Irritant yes, bum boy no.

**Storekeeper** · 26-10-2015, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Interesting admission by Tony Blair:
Tony Blair makes qualified apology for Iraq war ahead of Chilcot report | UK news | The Guardian

The Prime Minister of War probably had just as much to do with 'influencing' GWB to invade Iraq as Cheney did.

**harrybarracuda** · 26-10-2015, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Interesting admission by Tony Blair:
Tony Blair makes qualified apology for Iraq war ahead of Chilcot report | UK news | The Guardian

The Prime Minister of War probably had just as much to do with 'influencing' GWB to invade Iraq as Cheney did.

More likely it was hatched and approved at a Carlyle Group board meeting.

**Dragonfly** · 26-10-2015, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

let's hope Russia starts kicking European ass if they try to stop Putin from accomplishing this

I assume you're just being provocative.
1) How exactly should Russia start kicking European ass. War...? An economic ass kicking...?
2) Stop Putin from accomplishing what...?

Putin is trying to resolve the situation by bombing illegal and illegitimate anti-Assad rebels (were they elected by the Syrian people or nominated by the west) so Assad can go back to sabilizing the country

Russia is going to bomb some NATO positions (missile in Turkeys) or destroy some coalition war planes at one point just to send a message that the US and their silly lapdogs can no longer do what they want on the world stage

it's quite incredible to say today that we need Russia to save the world from the rogue actions of the USA and their dangerous and corrupt coalition partners.

I guess Communism regimes during all those years wasn't such a bad thing after all, they created an alternative to the US model of world invasion

**OhOh** · 26-10-2015, 04:00 PM

^ You need to take a tablet and rest for a while. This hot weather affects us all.

**MrG** · 26-10-2015, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Russia is going to bomb some NATO positions (missile in Turkeys) or destroy some coalition war planes at one point just to send a message that the US and their silly lapdogs can no longer do what they want on the world stage

Have you informed Putin of his plans?

**harrybarracuda** · 26-10-2015, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Russia is going to bomb some NATO positions (missile in Turkeys) or destroy some coalition war planes at one point just to send a message that the US and their silly lapdogs can no longer do what they want on the world stage

Have you informed Putin of his plans?

It's the "stupidtwattalkingoutofhisarse" scenario.

I think I saw it flash up at the end of "Wargames".

**MrG** · 26-10-2015, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Russia is going to bomb some NATO positions (missile in Turkeys) or destroy some coalition war planes at one point just to send a message that the US and their silly lapdogs can no longer do what they want on the world stage

Have you informed Putin of his plans?

It's the "stupidtwattalkingoutofhisarse" scenario.

I think I saw it flash up at the end of "Wargames".

Probably on his "007 Cell Phone" in conference with Putin. Putin's mad with him because he gave away his plans.

**Neo** · 27-10-2015, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by MrG

Probably on his "007 Cell Phone" in conference with Putin.

Don't... you'll get Harry jealous

Putin won't take his calls

**harrybarracuda** · 27-10-2015, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by MrG

Probably on his "007 Cell Phone" in conference with Putin.

Don't... you'll get Harry jealous

Putin won't take his calls

Oh purlease, I had to block his number weeks ago, too many drunken late night texts.

**Dragonfly** · 27-10-2015, 04:01 AM

Putin is the man,

**DrB0b** · 27-10-2015, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Putin is the man,

**hazz** · 27-10-2015, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

let's hope Russia starts kicking European ass if they try to stop Putin from accomplishing this

I assume you're just being provocative.
1) How exactly should Russia start kicking European ass. War...? An economic ass kicking...?
2) Stop Putin from accomplishing what...?

Putin is trying to resolve the situation by bombing illegal and illegitimate anti-Assad rebels (were they elected by the Syrian people or nominated by the west) so Assad can go back to sabilizing the country

Russia is going to bomb some NATO positions (missile in Turkeys) or destroy some coalition war planes at one point just to send a message that the US and their silly lapdogs can no longer do what they want on the world stage

it's quite incredible to say today that we need Russia to save the world from the rogue actions of the USA and their dangerous and corrupt coalition partners.

I guess Communism regimes during all those years wasn't such a bad thing after all, they created an alternative to the US model of world invasion

you really do have some rather daft ideas

**panama hat** · 27-10-2015, 07:57 AM

There is some manlove going on here, not quite healthy manlove

**OhOh** · 28-10-2015, 12:17 PM

It appears the Russians have asked the crusader coalition partners, NATO and SA, to put up or shut up.

"The Russian Ministry of Defense has summoned military attaches of NATO countries and Saudi Arabia on Tuesday, asking the officials to clarify their countries' allegations that Russian airstrikes in Syria have hit civilian targets. TrendsRussia-NATO relations

"Today we invited military attaches from the US, Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the NATO bloc to ask them to give official validation to their statements, or make a rebuttal," Defense Ministry deputy head Anatoly Antonov said on Tuesday.

The MoD official stressed that such blame is put upon Russia not only by the media, but also officials and politicians from a number of Western states, including US Secretary of State John Kerry, US Department of Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, NATO’s Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, the UK's Defense Secretary Michael Fallon and France's Minister of Defense Jean-Yves Le Drian."

**harrybarracuda** · 28-10-2015, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

It appears the Russians have asked the crusader coalition partners, NATO and SA, to put up or shut up.

"The Russian Ministry of Defense has summoned military attaches of NATO countries and Saudi Arabia on Tuesday, asking the officials to clarify their countries' allegations that Russian airstrikes in Syria have hit civilian targets. TrendsRussia-NATO relations

"Today we invited military attaches from the US, Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the NATO bloc to ask them to give official validation to their statements, or make a rebuttal," Defense Ministry deputy head Anatoly Antonov said on Tuesday.

The MoD official stressed that such blame is put upon Russia not only by the media, but also officials and politicians from a number of Western states, including US Secretary of State John Kerry, US Department of Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, NATO’s Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, the UK's Defense Secretary Michael Fallon and France's Minister of Defense Jean-Yves Le Drian."

OhOh, why would Russia ask their own, real, Crusader Coalition?

After all they are backed by their own Church.

**Dragonfly** · 28-10-2015, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

It appears the Russians have asked the crusader coalition partners, NATO and SA, to put up or shut up.

Russia should start bombing SA for good measure, let's see if the US would come to the rescue of another dictatorship

**DrB0b** · 28-10-2015, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

There is some manlove going on here, not quite healthy manlove

What do you mean?

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