Thread: What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

Hey don't get all snotty with me just because you're crap at geography.

Originally Posted by OhOh

I believe Granada was accepted as a victory.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Oh jeezus. Here goes Omo making Russia, China (and anything that doesn't come out of the USA or western Europe) whiter than white.

Hugh, Alfred McCoy wrote the article at OhOh's TruthDig link. Originally posted here: Tomgram: Alfred McCoy, Will China Be the Next Global Hegemon? | TomDispatch

https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Hero.../dp/1556524838

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?
ISIS is a ideology and you cant get rid of an ideology all you can do is make it less desirable by providing an alternative , more desirable way of life.
Drowning people grasp at straws, those who can't find justice in this world look outside of it for justice.
Throw drowning people a life vest and they will not grasp for straws, provide justice and they will not seek it elsewhere.

All the rest is simply BS!

You're approximately correct.

Make this life actually worth living for them and they will probably want to put off the next one as long as possible.

Unless they're mentally retarded, which sadly most religious people are.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

all you can do is make it less desirable by providing an alternative , more desirable way of life.

Agree whole heartedly.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You're approximately correct.

Make this life actually worth living for them and they will probably want to put off the next one as long as possible.

Unless they're mentally retarded, which sadly most religious people are.

The question is , are they religious because they are retarded or are they (act) retarded because they are religious.
It has being said " Good people do good things, bad people do bad things, it takes religion to make good people do bad things"
If you prescribe to the second proposition as I do, then you have to ask why are they religious? do they have a genetic predisposition, or are there other reasons that can be mitigated.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

If you prescribe to the second proposition as I do, then you have to ask why are they religious? do they have a genetic predisposition, or are there other reasons that can be mitigated.

Christ almighty...another one.

If only the crondupilies could be abrosticated.

Originally Posted by cyrille

crondupilies could be abrosticated.

What?

US policy failure reopens Iraqi-Syrian borders and the Iran-Beirut road



Men suspected of being Islamic State (IS) fighetrs wait to be searched by members of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) after leaving the IS group’s last holdout of Baghouz, in Syria’s northern Deir Ezzor province on February 22, 2019

“A dinosaur with a bird’s brain”. This is how the ex-President of Iran Hashemi Rafsanjani described the United States of America, evoking its great military strength but lack of strategic intelligence in foreign policy. Indeed, the very unusual meeting of the chiefs of staff of Syria, Iraq and Iran in Damascus this week would not have been possible without the latest US action in Syria. The US establishment has done a favour for the three countries aligned with the “Axis of resistance” by eliminating the “Islamic State” group (ISIS) in its last stronghold east of the Euphrates. The US attack on Baghuz (east of Syria), done in conjunction with its Kurdish proxies, has led the three military commanders to decide to re-open the land road between Syria and Iraq, paving the way for a safe Iranian land passage to Iraq and Syria. This means the Tehran-Baghdad-Damascus-Beirut road is now clear. This is not the first time the US establishment has rendered substantial strategic support to Iran with its clumsy planning.

When US President Donald Trump decided to pull out of Syria, describing it as a land of “sand and death”, he was serious about his plan. However, the US could not leave without first eliminating the ISIS pocket in the area under US control in the east of Syria, which would have meant leaving in place what has been the sole pretext for its occupation of the area. This is why Trump was advised to eliminate ISIS first and then withdraw his troops. He finally ordered his forces to do so after long months of inaction, during which the US effectively offered protection to the terror group and allowed tens of thousands of ISIS militants to move freely to attack the Syrian Army and its allies along the Deir-ezzour al-Bukamal axis.

The significance of Trump’s decision to finally move against ISIS cannot be overestimated. Since 2014 the US has been engaged in a phoney war against ISIS, pretending to fight this brutal takfiri group while in fact allowing it to expand and killing Syrian Army soldiers who actually fought the group. Throughout this time the US has used ISIS as a pretext for the US military presence in Syria. The US did bomb ISIS occupied Raqqah and destroyed it; it then made a deal to deport many thousands of ISIS partisans. But the ongoing Battle of Baghuz marks the first time the US has really fought ISIS. To his credit, Trump is now doing what the US has only pretended to do for five years: actually fighting ISIS. This spectacular and drawn out campaign allows Trump to take credit for defeating ISIS, although for half a decade the forces actually fighting ISIS have been the Syrian Army, Russia, the Iraqi PMU/Hashed al-Shaabi, the Iraqi Army, Lebanese Hezbollah, and Iran.

In Baghuz, US forces (and European allies) have bombarded ISIS to squeeze it into a small confined city. They succeeded in opening a safe passage for women, children, elderly, wounded ISIS militants, and many of those willing to surrender. Over 35,000 ISIS and families have come out of that small place. 9,000 militants have been wounded or killed. The US and their Kurdish proxy forces have managed to corner the remnants of the terrorist group in a small area less than 1 square km and are about to launch the final assault in the coming days. It is only a matter of time before ISIS gives up its last stronghold east of the Euphrates.

The imminent removal of the ISIS threat provided the occasion for an unusual meeting. Iranian chief of staff Major general Mohammad Baqeri, Syrian defence minister Ali Abdullah Ayyoub, and the Iraqi Chief of Staff Lt General Othman al-Ghanmi met in the Syrian capital Damascus and decided to re-open the borders between Iraq and Syria.

Trump and his generals recognised their mistake in creating a safe passage for Iran and Iraq into Syria by removing ISIS from that area. The presence of ISIS made it impossible for Iranian and Iraqi nationals and goods to travel safely to Syria. This realisation led to the US decision to leave several hundred US members of the armed forces behind.

Thanks to the US move, Iran can now send all needed support and resume commerce with Syria, at a time when Israel has been bombing Damascus airport to try and slow down the re-supply of the Syrian army with precision missiles and other military equipment needed to rebuild the Army’s defence force. With the opening of a new border crossing between Iraq and Syria, the US occupation of the al-Tanf crossing becomes less significant. If the US tries to pressure Iraq to stop its commerce with Iran or Syria, Baghdad will ask for the departure of Trump’s forces from Mesopotamia.

Trump’s decision also means that Syria’s economy will be able to regain some strength once the land road reopens into Iraq. The three military commanders had a good laugh about US policy and action in Syria. They have benefitted from continuous strategic mistakes by Washington since its occupation of Iraq in 2003 and the removal of Iran’s fiercest enemy, Saddam Hussein.

ISIS remains a security danger but not a military threat. Its remnants can still carry out attacks against convoys or soft targets even after the joint agreement of the three countries to patrol the borders and help with their technology, intelligence, and soldiers to protect the al-Bu Kamal border crossing and join the efforts to combat ISIS. The US generally looks at the big picture, as its thinkers and planners plan to redraw borders, change regimes and create failed states. However, they sometimes disregard details that can turn a situation in favour of their supposed enemies, in this case, Iran. As Rafsanjani once commented, the US is “a dinosaur with a bird’s brain”.

Not only Rafsanjani has made such caustic remarks. At a recent Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps – Quds brigade event celebrating Commander Major General Qassem Soleimani’s success in Iraq and Syria, the leader of the revolution Sayyed Ali Khamenei said, with reference to the US (and Saudi Arabia): “we thank Allah, who rendered our enemies imbeciles”.

https://ejmagnier.com/2019/03/21/us-...n-beirut-road/

Originally Posted by cyrille

Christ almighty...another one.

If only the crondupilies could be abrosticated.

Fuck off Jeff.




Oh.

Russia: Golan Heights status change would violate U.N. decisions - RIA

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia’s Foreign Ministry said on Friday that a change in the status of the Golan Heights would be a direct violation of United Nations decisions, RIA news agency said in a report citing ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.

She was commenting on a statement by U.S. President Donald Trump, who tweeted on Thursday it was time to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights that Israel seized from Syria in 1967.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...KCN1R30N7?il=0

Trump decides against more North Korea sanctions at this time: source


"WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday said he has decided against imposing new large-scale sanctions on North Korea in a confusing tweet that seemed to imply he was reversing measures against two Chinese shipping companies, a U.S. administration source familiar with the matter said.
The confusion began when Trump said on Twitter that he had “ordered the withdrawal” of “additional large-scale sanctions” on North Korea that had been “announced today by the U.S. Treasury.”

But there were no new U.S. sanctions on North Korea announced on Friday, leading news organizations, lawmakers and experts to believe Trump was referring to the Treasury’s blacklisting on Thursday of two Chinese shipping companies that it said helped North Korea evade sanctions over its nuclear weapons program.

The sanctions on Thursday were the first since his second summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Hanoi last month, which collapsed over conflicting demands by Pyongyang for sanctions relief and by Washington for North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons.

The Trump administration did not respond to queries to explain what Trump meant in his tweet for more than five hours.
Shortly after Trump’s tweet, White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders explained it by saying: “President Trump likes Chairman Kim and he doesn’t think these sanctions will be necessary.”

But she did not specify which sanctions Trump spoke of.

The administration source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Trump’s tweet had nothing to do with the Thursday sanctions, but rather was meant to refer to a decision to not go forward with additional large-scale sanctions on North Korea at this time.
There has been no sign of direct contact between Washington and Pyongyang since the collapse of the Feb. 27-28 summit, though Trump has stressed his good personal relationship with Kim and his administration has said repeatedly it is willing to reengage.
North Korea has warned it is considering suspending talks and may rethink a freeze on missile and nuclear tests, in place since 2017, unless Washington makes concessions.Hours after Thursday’s sanctions announcement, North Korea on Friday pulled out of a liaison office with South Korea, a major setback for Seoul, which has pushed hard for engagement between Washington and Pyongyang.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on March 4 he was hopeful he could send a team to North Korea “in the next couple of weeks,” but there has been no sign of a North Korean willingness to extend such an invitation.

ATTEMPT TO DEFUSE TENSIONS?


Harry Kazianis of the conservative Center for the National Interest think tank said Trump’s tweet could be an effort to defuse tensions that seemed to be building between Washington and Pyongyang and the risk of North Korea pulling out of talks.

“Trump’s canceling out of sanctions might have been a bid to get North Korea to change its thinking,” he said.
Another North Korea expert, Bruce Klingner, said that while Thursday’s Treasury action was limited, an accompanying notice seemed to hint of stronger future actions.

Klingner said Trump’s move signaled that his “maximum pressure” sanctions campaign on North Korea was not going to get any stronger and recalled an announcement the president made before a first summit with Kim in June last year when he said he was putting a large list of planned sanctions on hold."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-sanctions/trump-decides-against-more-north-korea-sanctions-at-this-time-source-idUSKCN1R32AF

Kite flying by Reuters or ameristani liars?

Old baldy orange cunto, even his own people don't know what the fuck he is doing.

ISIS lost its last piece of territory today. The Caliphate is over. They have been defeated.

Hallelujah. Praise Jefus.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

ISIS lost its last piece of territory today. The Caliphate is over. They have been defeated.

They just switch operating mode. They are still a strong force of terrorism.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

But it does not mean ISIS goes away.

FFS, what is it with you miserable cnuts. If you won 40 million on the lottery you'd still find some way to complain about it.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

FFS, what is it with you miserable cnuts. If you won 40 million on the lottery you'd still find some way to complain about it.

Bob since you rejoined the forum i am sensing a great deal of angst. Not your previous erudite self, in fact a bit of a picky wanker; anything happened we need to know about, just to understand.

I think the point is that the they've drifted back into the general population and will continue to cause mayhem where they can: Southern Thailand, the Phiillippines, or the occasional Western target.

Think of it like this.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

FFS, what is it with you miserable cnuts. If you won 40 million on the lottery you'd still find some way to complain about it.

I seriously don't understand. Did you EVER consider that ISIS would be able to hold on to territory? Of course not. It does not change anything. The basic mindset that allows ISIS to exist remains unchanged. Even if they reappear under a new name. They change names like snakes change skins.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

I seriously don't understand. Did you EVER consider that ISIS would be able to hold on to territory? Of course not. It does not change anything. The basic mindset that allows ISIS to exist remains unchanged.

Correct, the troops on the ground are/were martyrs in the eyes of the koran bashers - its nothing, the imams worldwide love it- fuel to the fire. We will witness various acts of atrocity in the name of Islam and just have to suck it up according to Manny and wankers like him because there has been righteous cause because they have been wronged. Well there you go, peace in our time.

Oh, Manny a bloke who decries auto weapons are wrong but hand guns and rifles are OK as long as they are not in the hands of nutters... yeah.

What separates a nutter with an auto weapon from one with without, trigger fingers, a mindset and a soft target - the weapon don't count, the bodies do.