What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**jabir** · 20-12-2018, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So baldy orange cunto is basically throwing the Kurds under the bus after they helped America defeat Islamic State.

How thoughtful of him.

The only honest partners they've had through all dealing in that region; hardly a testimony for future others to collaborate.

**Dragonfly** · 20-12-2018, 01:49 PM

about fooking time Trump is doing the right thing,

**SKkin** · 20-12-2018, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency.

"Mission Accomplished?"

We had no business being there in the first fucking place...I see all the war pigs are gnashing their teeth.

**harrybarracuda** · 20-12-2018, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by SKkin

"Mission Accomplished?"

We had no business being there in the first fucking place...I see all the war pigs are gnashing their teeth.

America created the IS mess. They should have cleaned it up.

But much sooner.

**SKkin** · 20-12-2018, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

America created the al qaeda mess.

That too...

**harrybarracuda** · 20-12-2018, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by SKkin

That too...

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**pseudolus** · 20-12-2018, 07:36 PM

Are you trying to say that The US did not arm a militia in Afghanistan, notably around people like Bin Laden, to pull the soviets into a proxy war in the region to "bloody their nose"? Is that what you are insinuating?

**harrybarracuda** · 20-12-2018, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Are you trying to say that The US did not arm a militia in Afghanistan, notably around people like Bin Laden, to pull the soviets into a proxy war in the region to "bloody their nose"? Is that what you are insinuating?

If that's what I wanted to say, I would have said it, dickhead. But Al Qaeda did not get their funding from the US. That was the Mujadiheen.

Even a fucking dolt like you should know the Saudis were Al Qaeda's biggest donors.

**pseudolus** · 20-12-2018, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If that's what I wanted to say, I would have said it, dickhead. But Al Qaeda did not get their funding from the US. That was the Mujadiheen.

Even a fucking dolt like you should know the Saudis were Al Qaeda's biggest donors.

Ah ha. So you actually think Al Qaeda existed then?

it was the name given to a database of suspected non friendly fighters. Then any event whether false flag or copycat or just simply "nutter does something stupid" is assigned AQ "today claim responsibility" through CNN etc. A designated bogey many to keep simpletons like you chanting WAR WAR WAR.

Carry on, dickhead.

**foobar** · 20-12-2018, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

But Al Qaeda did not get their funding from the US.

Al Qaeda were born out of the US training camps in Afghanistan. So saying they weren't funded by the US is inaccurate.

Not only were they funded by the US they were founded and trained by the US.

**Klondyke** · 21-12-2018, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Ah ha. So you actually think Al Qaeda existed then?

it was the name given to a database of suspected non friendly fighters.

As said by Robin Cook, the resigned UK's FM, unfortunately, has not lived long after his speech in UK parliament:

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by Western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.[21]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Cook

**Neverna** · 21-12-2018, 11:11 AM

^

Originally Posted by Osama Bin Laden

The name "al Qaeda" was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed.

https://web.archive.org/web/20061206...ipt/index.html

**jabir** · 21-12-2018, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If that's what I wanted to say, I would have said it, dickhead. But Al Qaeda did not get their funding from the US. That was the Mujadiheen.

Even a fucking dolt like you should know the Saudis are Al Qaeda's biggest donors.

ftfy, tossup between them and Qatar.

**OhOh** · 23-12-2018, 12:23 AM

It appears the Turkish leader's team was better prepared for the "phone call" negotiations than the goldilocks and his team. I wonder if any "external" assistance was provided?

The Inside Story Behind Trump's "Shocking" Withdrawal From Syria

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"In a report that essentially confirms what Secretary Mattis only insinuated in his letter of resignation, the Associated Press offered an account sourced from anonymous US and Turkish officials that appears to confirm all of President Trump's hawkish critics' worst fears about his landmark decision to withdraw US forces from Syria: Namely, that it was made seemingly on a whim, without consulting his national security team, during a phone call with Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The play-by-play of the call, which was strenuously denied by White House officials, who implied that the account had been planted by Turkish agents who were seeking to undermine the president (though they neglected to specify which details in the account were untrue).

It began by explaining how Trump's aides had prepared detailed talking points for a Dec. 14 call with Erdogan. But Trump abandoned them shortly after it began after apparently being convinced by Erdogan's argument that ISIS had effectively been defeated, given that the once-powerful faction now controls less than 1% of its former territory.

The call had been set up by the NSC after Erdogan threatened to attack US-backed Kurdish troops in Northern Syria whom the Turkish leader accused of supporting the Kurdish independence movement in Turkey.

Trump's advisors had coached him to offer Erdogan a small concession, like holding territory on the Turkish-Syrian border. But after the call began, Erdogan put Trump on the defensive.

"The talking points were very firm," said one of the officials, explaining that Mr Trump was advised to clearly oppose a Turkish incursion into northern Syria and suggest the US and Turkey work together to address security concerns.
"Everybody said push back and try to offer (Turkey) something that’s a small win, possibly holding territory on the border, something like that."
Mr Erdogan, though, quickly put Mr Trump on the defensive, reminding him that he had repeatedly said the only reason for US troops to be in Syria was to defeat IS and that the group had been 99% defeated.
"Why are you still there?" the second official said Mr Erdogan asked Mr Trump, telling him that the Turks could deal with the remaining IS militants.

Erdogan swiftly persuaded the president to come around to Turkey's (admittedly reasonable) point of view: If ISIS had been defeated - and the US's primary objective for its incursion into Syria accomplished, then what were US troops still doing camped out on his boarder?

Mr Erdogan, though, quickly put Mr Trump on the defensive, reminding him that he had repeatedly said the only reason for US troops to be in Syria was to defeat IS and that the group had been 99% defeated.
"Why are you still there?" the second official said Mr Erdogan asked Mr Trump, telling him that the Turks could deal with the remaining IS militants.

The deciding factor came when Trump turned to National Security Advisor John Bolton to ask if what Erdogan was saying was true. Bolton then begrudgingly admitted that much, before trying to explain that US forces needed to remain in Syria to prevent a resurgence of ISIS (and to serve as a buffer between the Kurds and a massacre by Turkish troops.

When Trump agreed to Erdogan's suggestion that US troops withdraw, both Erdogan and Bolton were shocked, according to the AP'ssources. But in the following days, the president refused to be dissuaded.

With Mr Erdogan on the line, Mr Trump asked national security adviser John Bolton, who was listening in, why American troops remained in Syria if what the Turkish president was saying was true, according to the officials.
Mr Erdogan’s point, Mr Bolton was forced to admit, had been backed up by Mr Mattis, Mr Pompeo, US special envoy for Syria Jim Jeffrey and special envoy for the anti-IS coalition Brett McGurk, who have said that IS retains only 1% of its territory, the officials said.
Mr Bolton stressed, however, that the entire national security team agreed that victory over IS had to be enduring, which means more than taking away its territory.
Mr Trump was not dissuaded, according to the officials, who said the president quickly capitulated by pledging to withdraw, shocking both Mr Bolton and Mr Erdogan.

In the days since Trump's decision, national security hawks have warned that by withdrawing its troops, the US would effectively cede Syria to ISIS (or Russia, or some kind of Russia-ISIS hybrid). But the reality remains that the alternative advocated by many of Trump's critics (Mattis included) resembles another "forever war", where US troops remain in place not to fight an active enemy, but to ensure that an enemy never reemerges. US troops first arrived in Syria in 2015 about a year after the US began a campaign of airstrikes against ISIS targets in Iraq and Syria.

And how does one defeat an enemy that doesn't exist?"

https://www.independent.ie/world-new...-37648750.html

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...oops-out-syria

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-21/inside-story-behind-trumps-decision-pull-us-troops-out-syria

**pseudolus** · 24-12-2018, 04:53 AM

Funny heh?

**Neverna** · 24-12-2018, 06:54 AM

^^ How is it that the people at zerohedge don't know the difference between a border and a boarder?

**SKkin** · 24-12-2018, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Neverna

a boarder?

How many boarders does Erdogan have in his palace anyway?

**Neverna** · 24-12-2018, 07:53 PM

Trump has tweeted again. Now we know a bit more.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

President @RT_Erdogan of Turkey has very strongly informed me that he will eradicate whatever is left of ISIS in Syria....and he is a man who can do it plus, Turkey is right “next door.” Our troops are coming home!

**pseudolus** · 24-12-2018, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

Trump has tweeted again. Now we know a bit more.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

President @RT_Erdogan of Turkey has very strongly informed me that he will eradicate whatever is left of ISIS in Syria....and he is a man who can do it plus, Turkey is right “next door.” Our troops are coming home!

And Turkey is the border that all the ISIS Regime change agents paid for, armed, trained and directed by the Axis of Evil, slip through unmolested.

**TuskegeeBen** · 24-12-2018, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If that's what I wanted to say, I would have said it, dickhead. But Al Qaeda did not get their funding from the US. That was the Mujadiheen.

Even a fucking dolt like you should know the Saudis were Al Qaeda's biggest donors.

Al Qaeda...eh?...

**pseudolus** · 24-12-2018, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen

Al Qaeda...eh?...

Harry is a clueless fool basically.

US funded Mujadiheen had as its members a certain Tim Osman (Osama Bin Laden) who went off to do other CIA work, out of which the US created the myth of Al Qaeda to continue their march to global tyranny under their jack boots

**harrybarracuda** · 26-12-2018, 04:37 PM

Well the whackjobs are doing their best to derail this thread with their irrelevant bollocks.

When the simple truth is that baldy orange cunto thought he'd get some good press with his "bringing the troops home" bullshit and has no fucking clue about the consequences.

**RPETER65** · 26-12-2018, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Well the whackjobs are doing their best to derail this thread with their irrelevant bollocks.

When the simple truth is that baldy orange cunto thought he'd get some good press with his "bringing the troops home" bullshit and has no fucking clue about the consequences.

Shouldn’t you have stated it more like this: I think the simple truth is ..........? As you don’t have a clue what he thought.

**HermantheGerman** · 26-12-2018, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

....and he is a man who can do it plus, Turkey is right “next door.” Our troops are coming home!

....and China is right next door to the "Toiletstan States". The Talibans are only 150 km from the chinese border. Let them flush it !
They might have a cure for this problem. Doctor knows best

For China, Islam is a 'mental illness' that needs to be 'cured'

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/china-islam-mental-illness-cured-181127135358356.html

**OhOh** · 26-12-2018, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Mexico and Canada are right next door to the "Toiletstan State"

FIFY.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

They might have a cure for this problem

Possibly engaging with the Taliban politically and commercially may be a better proposition than slaughtering whole villagesfrom 10,000m.

It appears many are meeting and discussing the ways forward.

China says discusses with Pakistan 'new changes' in Afghanistan situation

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-pakistan-afghanistan/china-says-discusses-with-pakistan-new-changes-in-afghanistan-situation-idUSKCN1OO0BN

Iran in talks with Afghan Taliban: Iranian state media report

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-afghanistan-taliban/iran-in-talks-with-afghan-taliban-iranian-state-media-report-idUSKCN1OP0O6

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