The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[Backspin]

Some govt "agent" knew of the shooters plans 30 mins in advance or something

Link Authorities investigating if retired federal agent knew of Buffalo mass shooting plans in advance | Crime News | buffalonews.com

[panama hat]

In my opinion the comma suggests the right to bear arms is contingent on the bearer being a member of a well regulated militia.

That had been the interpretation before things went arse-backwards

[S Landreth]

• Supreme Court may soon expand gun rights amid roiling debate

“It does seem relatively clear that the court is going to strike down New York’s law and make it harder for cities and states to restrict concealed carry of firearms,” said Adam Winkler, a professor at UCLA School of Law. “It remains to be seen exactly how broad the Supreme Court goes, but one thing is clear: as mass shootings become more of a political issue, the court is going to take options away from lawmakers on the basis of the Second Amendment.”

The justices are expected to hand down an opinion as soon as next week but no later than late June or early July.

In the court’s 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, the court ruled 5-4 that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to keep a gun in the home for self-defense. Although the court in the Heller case noted that the Second Amendment right is “not unlimited,” the justices largely left unanswered the question of which gun restrictions are permitted under the Constitution.

Joseph Blocher, a law professor at Duke who co-directs the Duke Center for Firearms Law, called the case a potential blockbuster.

“I do think that this case will, more than Heller did, tell us what forms of gun regulation are constitutional and why,” he said.

The New York law requires concealed carry applicants to demonstrate that they have a special need for the license, beyond a basic desire for self-defense. New York’s tight restriction put it among eight states and the District of Columbia that give wide discretion to licensing officials over these determinations.

The Department of Justice, on behalf of the Biden administration, argued in support of New York and urged the court to defer to the longstanding practice of allowing legislatures to place reasonable limits on firearms to protect public safety.

In other news……..

• Canada’s Trudeau proposes handgun freeze in new gun control package

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced a move to freeze the sale and transfer of handguns in the country as part of a strict gun control proposal introduced by his government on Monday.

The proposal would also create a new red flag law, which would allow a court to prohibit people deemed a threat from owning firearms, and allow the government to take away firearms licenses for individuals who commit domestic violence or criminal harassment.

“One Canadian killed by gun violence is one too many,” Trudeau said in a statement.

“I’ve seen all too well the tragic cost that gun violence has in our communities across the country,” he said. “Today, we’re proposing some of the strongest measures in Canadian history to keep guns out of our communities and build a safer future for everyone.”

Trudeau’s office said the handgun freeze will prevent individuals from bringing newly acquired handguns into the country or from buying, selling or transferring the firearms. Canada reported 1.1 million registered handguns in 2020, an increase of 71 percent from ten years earlier.

Unlike the United States, there is no constitutional protection to own firearms in Canada.

[Seekingasylum]

Fuckwittery is endemic in every level of Septic society, from tinpot local county officials as dumb as trees, to the highest legislature championing idiocy via the Republican bedrock of imbecility.

Gunplay is simply a communication device for these morons and there it is, an expression of their neuroses that plague them daily. Without their weaponry they are what they fear to be, an insignificant, futile lump of blubber soon to be nothing but fertilizer. With a gun in their hands, in the glove compartment of their cars, by their bedside at night and in every room, these dumbos think they have power and can control their miserable destinies.
Americans are simply a phenomenon in which mental aberration has become the norm.

No wonder they voted for Trump…….and want him back.

[S Landreth]

^Most Americans want tighter gun controls, but you stated.......

the Republican bedrock of imbecility

and even some republicans want restrictions (but not the republican politicians).

Requiring background checks on all gun sales
Strongly support - 73%
Somewhat support - 15%

Barring gun purchases by people on the federal no-fly or watch lists
Strongly support - 61%
Somewhat support - 18%

Banning assault-style weapons
Strongly support - 53%
Somewhat support - 14%

Banning high-capacity ammunition magazines
Strongly support - 52%
Somewhat support - 17%

Preventing sales of all firearms to people who have been reported as dangerous to law enforcement by a mental health provider
Strongly support - 70%
Somewhat support - 14%

Making it easier for people to buy gun silencers, also known as suppressors, which reduce the amount of noise generated by firing
Somewhat oppose - 14%
Strongly oppose - 52%

Starts at page 5: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...01&nlid=630318

[Iceman123]

^
And do you still wish to keep your guns?

[Backspin]

Multiple people have been killed in a shooting on the campus of St. Francis Hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma, according to officials. The gunman is dead, police say.
https://cnn.it/3x4ReYh

[cyrille]

And do you still wish to keep your guns?

You might as well ask him which flight he's on next time he copy pastes a two thousand word article about climate change.

[Iceman123]

It’s all a bit blah, blah from the US members. Not one has stated that guns should be banned or at least controlled in a similar fashion to the rest of the free world.

Sadly, regarding guns I think this is where the US jumped off onto another branch of the evolutionary chain.

[aging one]

Guns should be banned as in most civilized countries. Simple.

[hallelujah]

Multiple people have been killed in a shooting on the campus of St. Francis Hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma, according to officials. The gunman is dead, police say.
https://cnn.it/3x4ReYh

4 dead not including the shooter.

Four killed in shooting at Tulsa medical building, police say | Oklahoma | The Guardian

[HuangLao]

Meanwhile, the U.S. continues to increase their presence the world over with hundreds of military installations [of every variety], as well as being the overwhelming leader of arms/weaponry supplier and maintainers/instigators of of the world's conflicts.......and all this accepted by the American population, for the most part.

Yet, all struggle and blind to see the deeper relationship between all this and their shoot-up society and character.
Unconsciously [or even subliminally] romancing and championing all things military, soldiering, war and extending empire.......especially evolving from establishment circles, less from reasonable everyday folks - who appear to have acquired the dumbed down gene of one fashion or another.

The dots are not being connected and most pictures are being missed.

[harrybarracuda]

The dots are not being connected and most pictures are being missed.

Why don't you try paint by numbers then Jeff?

[Headworx]

^Let's see if he can draw the big picture none of us can see with crayons first, assuming he hasn't eaten them all already..

[Troy]

Multiple people have been killed in a shooting on the campus of St. Francis Hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma, according to officials. The gunman is dead, police say.
https://cnn.it/3x4ReYh

There have been 15 mass shootings in the USA since the Texas one.

They don't make for very imaginative whodunnits.

[Reg Dingle]

[Iceman123]

^
That is shocking.

[Reg Dingle]

No.....it's Murica

[Troy]

There have been 15 mass shootings in the USA since the Texas one.

I had another read of the article I quickly skimmed this morning and it's not quite true...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...anooga-uvalde/

...at least not according to the definition that many seem to be using, that is, at least 4 fatalities to be a mass shooting.

I guess it keeps the population down...

[baldrick]

[hallelujah]

It’s all a bit blah, blah from the US members. Not one has stated that guns should be banned or at least controlled in a similar fashion to the rest of the free world.

Sadly, regarding guns I think this is where the US jumped off onto another branch of the evolutionary chain.

The silence is deafening.

We'll still be here (well, if TD is) posting the same news reports this year, in 5 years time, 10 years time etc.

What an odd place so out of kilter with the civilised world in so many aspects of life.

[HermantheGerman]

Americans go haywire about a fetus getting killed.
Once the fetus is older they don't give a shit.

Americans love to fuck and kill.

[harrybarracuda]

I'm just waiting for the redneck gun nuts to say "We don't need no tazerrrrrrrr, put one of them thar AR-15s on it!".

Taser developer Axon said this week it is working to build drones armed with the electric stunning weapons that could fly in schools and "help prevent the next Uvalde, Sandy Hook, or Columbine." But its own technology advisers quickly panned the idea as a dangerous fantasy.

The publicly traded company, which sells Tasers and police body cameras, floated the idea of a new police drone product last year to its artificial intelligence ethics board, a group of well-respected experts in technology, policing and privacy.

Some of them expressed reservations about weaponizing drones in over-policed communities of color. But they were not expecting Axon's Thursday announcement that it wants to send those Taser-equipped drones into classrooms to prevent mass shootings by immobilizing an intruding gunman.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Axon founder and CEO Rick Smith said he felt compelled to make the idea public after the mass shooting at an Uvalde, Texas, elementary school, saying he was "catastrophically disappointed" in the response by police who didn't move in to kill the suspect for more than an hour.

But he stressed Friday that no product had been launched and any potential launch would be down the road. The idea, he felt, needed to be shared now because of the public conversation about effective ways for police to safely confront attackers and how schools can increase safety.

"This is an idea that should get into the public's consciousness while our minds are open to it and I felt if I wait another six months, the world is going to change and people are going to forget this pain and we're going to see a shift in sentiments where people are going to focus a lot more on what could go wrong, rather than the pain of this problem we need to solve," he said.

Axon's stock price rose with the news. But the announcement angered members of the ethics board, some of whom are now likely to quit in protest.

"This particular idea is crackpot," said Barry Friedman, a New York sfh University law professor who sits on the Axon AI Ethics Board.

Drones can't fly through closed doors. The physical properties of the universe still hold. So unless you have a drone in every single classroom in America, which seems insane, the idea just isn't going to work."

Friedman said it was a "dangerous and fantastical idea" that went far beyond the proposal for a Taser-equipped police drone that board members — some of them former or current police officials — had been debating in recent months.

"We begged the company not to do it," Friedman said of the company's announcement. "It was unnecessary and shameful."

The product idea had been kicked around at Axon since at least 2019 and the company has been working to try to figure out whether a drone with a Taser was even a feasible idea. Over the last year, the company created computer-generated art renderings to mock up a product design and conducted an internal test to see if Taser darts — which transmit an immobilizing electric jolt — could be fired from a flying drone, Smith said. He added that he had discussed the possibility of developing such a product with the ethics board.

Board members who spoke with The Associated Press said they were taken aback by the school drone proposal — which they got notice of only earlier this week — and cobbled together a unanimous statement of concern that described Axon's decision as "deeply regrettable." The company tweeted out the board's dissent shortly after its own statement in a Thursday announcement.

"I wouldn't be surprised if there were resignations," said another ethics board member, Ryan Calo, a law professor at the University of Washington. "I think everyone on the board has to make a choice about whether they want to stay involved."

Friedman and Calo both described this week's process as a sharp turnaround from the respectful relationship that Axon executives have had with the board in recent years on controversial topics such as face recognition — which Axon decided against using in its body cameras — and automated license plate readers.

"Sometimes the company takes our advice and sometimes it doesn't," Friedman said. "What's important is that happens after thoughtful discussion and coordination. That was thrown out the window here."

Smith said the company is still in the very early phases of product development and would continue to consult the ethics board, along with law enforcement officials, community leaders and school officials. He acknowledged that the company might later determine that the idea isn't feasible and abandon it.

But he took issue with the idea that he had ignored the concerns from the ethics board, which is meant to provide guidance and share feedback. Ultimately, the decision still falls to Smith as the company's chief executive.

"I have not ignored what they have said. People can have debates and disagree," Smith said. "I think there is one thing the world can see: Our board is not a whitewash."

"I hope they don't resign," he added. "I hope that they are somewhat proud maybe after this that we're having this public debate."

Firm proposes Taser-armed drones to stop school shootings : NPR

[Backspin]

Multiple victims reported in a shooting in smithsburg, maryland - sheriff's office

[Joe 90]

The USA has 45,000 firearms casualties per year on home soil.

To put that into context the USA lost 4,400 in Iraq: 2,300 in Afghanistan:52,000 in Vietnam, and 290,000 in WWII.

WWII losses every 6-7 years or a Vietnam every 15 months, an Iraq every 3 months, or an Afghanistan (a 20 year war) per month.

Between 1964 and 2012 1.4 million died as a result of gun violence.

They are at war, with themselves.