The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[fishlocker]

Why do I feel like a neon sign. The food should be good. Amazing what a little good cheer can bring.

Last time I was here it was an old folks country joint. I really should get out more.

They are playing " don't worry be happy".

Bought the new barkeep a Jamison. Said it was what he likes. Im not a complainer. The couple next to me.had Crown Royal. I don't diss the queen. Whould you?

See my how to get yourself shot thread.

Well the streets were super quiet. Yes I was the loudest seppo walking along. My new tennis shoes make a sepp sound unlesss they are airborne. Dont want to go their now.

See the how.to get shot.thread.

Time to eat. More Jamison.

Fish on.

[harrybarracuda]

You should learn to control your drinking, pisshead.

[BobR]

Another happy ending story

WASHINGTON
Customer with concealed carry permit fatally shoots ax-wielding attacker at 7-Eleven
Published March 14, 2016 FoxNews.com

A customer at a 7-Eleven store outside Seattle shot and killed a masked man who attacked a clerk with an ax early Sunday.

Investigators said the shooting happened at the store in White Center at approximately 5:45 a.m. local time. Witnesses said the man entered the store and swung a hatchet toward the customer before turning his attention to the clerk.

As the assailant attacked, the customer pulled out a pistol and fired, hitting the suspect. The clerk suffered minor injuries to his stomach and the suspect was pronounced dead at the scene........Authorities said the man who shot the attacker had a concealed carry permit and likely would not face charges as a result of his action.
Customer with concealed carry permit fatally shoots ax-wielding attacker at 7-Eleven | Fox News

[fishlocker]

Thanks for the advise Harry. And have a nice day.

And yes I was on a bit of a ramble. It was my off day. No excuse.Just what it was. At least I had sense enough to walk to the tavern. In the dark late at night in a not too bad part of town. I like living on the edge and meeting new people from all walks of life.

Clearly the Jeffery Dahmer (The Milwaukee Cannibal) and the eat a d-ck remark was in bad taste. No joke.

Harry I'd buy you a round. In that same tavern. But i'd bet you would not enjoy it much. Depends? Might need them.

[harrybarracuda]

Thanks for the advise Harry. And have a nice day.

And yes I was on a bit of a ramble. It was my off day. No excuse.Just what it was. At least I had sense enough to walk to the tavern. In the dark late at night in a not too bad part of town. I like living on the edge and meeting new people from all walks of life.

Clearly the Jeffery Dahmer (The Milwaukee Cannibal) and the eat a d-ck remark was in bad taste. No joke.

Harry I'd buy you a round. In that same tavern. But i'd bet you would not enjoy it much. Depends? Might need them.

That's all very exciting, but it would just be nice if you wouldn't bore people with your drunken rubbish. Stick a DVD on instead or something. Don't fire up the chip pan though.

[harrybarracuda]

METAIRIE, La. - An elderly man walked into the office of a doctor and shot him to death before walking out of the medical facility near East Jefferson Hospital and to a nearby Wendy's restaurant where he shot and killed himself in front of customers and employees.

Dr. Elbert Goodier III, 75, a urologist, was the doctor who was shot.

The gunman was identified by Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office as John Thomas, a 73-year-old Kenner native. Officials added Thomas had no prior criminal history, but according to family members, he suffered from mental illness. Family members also told investigators the Thomas was one of Dr. Goodiers' patients.

Man shoots doctor, walks to nearby restaurant and shoots himself | wwltv.com

[birding]

Chicago gun epidemic, out of control: the execution of nine-year-old Tyshawn Lee

Chicago gun epidemic, out of control: the execution of nine-year-old Tyshawn Lee | US news | The Guardian

This one could also fit well in the topic about the state of the US economy.

[AntRobertson]

This could have been prevented if the lawnmower had a gun:

Man loses leg shooting rifle at lawn mower packed with explosives

10:41 AM Tuesday Mar 29, 2016

WARNING: Video footage may disturb some.



David Pressley shot at the lawn mower until it exploded. Photo / YouTube

Gruesome video footage has surfaced showing the moment a Georgia daredevil lost his leg shooting a semiautomatic rifle at a lawn mower packed with several pounds of deadly explosives.

David Pressley, 32, can be seen moving closer and closer to the explosive target as he peppers it with bullets. Moments later, the lawn mower suddenly explodes, unleashing a plume of smoke and shrapnel.

Authorities said one piece of shrapnel struck Pressley, severing his leg from below the knee, according to ABC affiliate WSB-TV.

The graphic video, recorded last week, captures blood splattering across the camera's lens before Pressley yells, "I blew my leg off!"

Another voice says, "Call an ambulance!"

Pressley's friends fashioned a tourniquet around his leg and drove him closer to the road, where he was picked up by authorities. He was eventually airlifted to a local hospital and was expected to recover, police said.

Lydiah Mays, one of Pressley's neighbors, told WSB-TV that she heard the gunshots but wasn't concerned until she heard the explosion, which shook her nearby home.

"I heard him scream, and so I came downstairs and we were all like looking out the front window," Mays said. "You would've had to be on drugs or something to think it was a good idea to play with that and try to blow up a lawn mower."

Tannerite - a mixture of ammonium nitrate and aluminum powder that explodes when struck by a high-velocity bullet - is normally used for target practice. The product's website instructs users not to place Tannerite inside, under or near any type of metal objects. For every pound of Tannerite, experts advise standing 100 yards away.

"Do not shoot targets larger than 1 pound unless it is required due to extreme long-range competition," safety instructions on the Tannerite website read.

Police say Pressley used three pounds of the material and was only 25 yards away when the explosion occurred.

"It has become extremely popular in the last couple of years, and is sold in many outdoor supply stores such as Cabelas, Bass Pro Shops, Gander Mountain, and others," Battalion Chief Craig League with Walton County Fire Rescue told the Loganville News. "One of the drawbacks with Tannerite is that the more of the product that you mix together and shoot the bigger and louder the explosion. This makes it quite dangerous for amateur use."

"To my knowledge, this is the first injury that we have encountered in Walton County from the use of exploding targets," he added.

Sheriff Joe Chapman told NBC affiliate WXIA that he gets several complaints a week about Tannerite frightening people's animals and waking children. He said that people are well within their rights to use the material on their own property but that they should ensure they have adequate space to do so safely.

The station reported that people have begun posting videos online of explosions that use as much as 100 pounds of Tannerite.

"Be careful," Chapman said. "It's very dangerous, it's not a toy. It's much more than a firecracker."

- Washington Post

[bobo746]

^ Had to laugh,what a wanker.

[AntRobertson]

I'm struggling to have much sympathy for him to be honest.

Or any at all really.

[Black Heart]

^^^

What an idiot.

[AntRobertson]

Actually I'm not really having too much difficulty in imagining you doing something similar, barbara.

[Ozcol]

Had to have a giggle myself , of all things to pack with explosives why a lawn mower? All shrapnel , from cast base to mower blades . Natural selection , more guns and explosives to everyone.

[harrybarracuda]

The Real Danger of Guns in Schools

Georgia’s new campus-carry bill is a threat to the state’s higher-learning institutions, gun violence aside.

By Sonja West

hen I was in college at the University of Iowa in 1991, there was a mass shooting. A graduate student, upset that he had not received a coveted honor, walked into a university building and shot and killed the three professors on his dissertation committee. He also killed his fellow student, the one who had been selected for the honor. The gunman then walked several blocks to an administrative office and asked to speak with the dean of student affairs with whom he had filed a grievance. When she walked out of her office, he killed her too. He also shot and critically injured a student worker in the dean’s office before killing himself. Our university’s president was also on his hit list, but luckily traveling out of state at the time.

Like other schools, the University of Iowa is made up of diverse groups of people who have come together to form an academic community. The shootings personally affected the faculty, administrators, staff, and students. Together we shared our horror and our grief.

I now live my life on the other side of an educational podium—as a law professor at the University of Georgia School of Law. And I once again find my academic community coming together because of guns. This time, however, it is in response to our state legislature’s push to bring concealed weapons onto our campus and into our classrooms and offices.

Georgia’s “Campus Carry” legislation, House Bill 859, flew through both chambers of the state legislature recently and is now sitting on the desk of Nathan Deal. The governor had earlier expressed support but last week issued a statement requesting changes to some parts of the bill. The NRA has since attacked the governor and urged its members to contact him in support of the bill, and it’s unclear what will happen next. If signed, the bill would expand on Georgia’s already broad “guns everywhere” law to allow concealed-carry permit holders to possess firearms on all 29 of Georgia’s publicly owned college and university campuses. The bill excludes dormitories, fraternity and sorority houses, and athletic events, but still allows guns in sensitive places like the university’s day cares, where my children were lovingly cared for as babies, and in highly unpredictable forums like student-disciplinary hearings.

Georgia’s campus-carry bill has been universally opposed by every part of the university community. At my school, for example, the university system’s chancellor, the university’s president, the campus police, the student government association, and the university’s faculty have all publicly opposed the bill. The University of Georgia’s response is consistent with the reaction at other schools. According to nationwide surveys, 94 percent of college faculty, 95 percent of college presidents, 9 in 10 campus police chiefs, and 74 percent of college students oppose concealed weapons on campus.

But campus-carry laws have gained significant political traction in recent years, with eight states now mandating that guns be allowed on public university and college campuses. The debate over these laws typically centers on whether guns make schools more or less safe. But those arguments overlook the real threat of campus carry laws: the evisceration of academic freedom.

For colleges and universities to be effective, educators must be free to teach and discuss ideas—even controversial or unpopular ones—without fear of government censorship or retribution. And the best way to secure that freedom is to give them the autonomy to make key decisions about what is or isn’t a good policy for their schools. We should be just as troubled, therefore, about political actors telling universities that they must allow guns in their classrooms as we would be about politicians declaring which books students must read or which teachers to hire or fire.

It’s important to realize that campus-carry laws are about policy choices, not constitutional rights. The United States Supreme Court has recognized an individual Second Amendment right to possess firearms in the home for self-defense, but it did not declare this right to be absolute. In fact, Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the Court in District of Columbia v. Heller in 2008, specifically stated that there was no doubt about the continued constitutionality of “laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings.”

Here in Georgia, we have an additional reason to be wary about political interference with university autonomy: our own troubling history. In 1941, Georgia’s then–Gov. Eugene Talmadge spearheaded a direct assault on the state’s institutes of higher education by declaring that he would fire any university employees who stood for “communism or racial equality.” Talmadge’s first target was a man named Walter Cocking, who was the dean of the University of Georgia’s College of Education. Claiming that Cocking supported racially integrated classrooms, Talmadge demanded he be fired. The Board of Regents refused, and so Talmadge removed and replaced several regents until he eventually had a board that would do his bidding.

Within a year, Talmadge’s tactics had led to the firing of 10 more esteemed educators (including the vice chancellor of the university system). The Board of Regents had lost all political independence. And the schools’ libraries were purged of “subversive” books that were deemed to encourage concepts like racial equality or communism. Talmadge’s political power grab only ended after several Georgia colleges and universities lost their accreditation, and Talmadge was defeated in his run for re-election.

So damaging was the “Cocking Affair,” as it became known, to the independence of Georgia’s colleges and universities that two years later the state amended its constitution. The new provision explicitly gives the Board of Regents constitutional power over “the government, control, and management” of the state’s colleges and universities. Whether that constitutional provision provides a legal defense against Georgia’s campus-carry law has not yet been tested in the courts. But the underlying threat of political intrusion into university administration remains the same now as it was in 1941.

Guns on campus might not, at first blush, appear related to a school’s academic mission. Yet they are integrally connected. University administrators and faculty members have argued that guns would discourage the teaching of sensitive issues and possibly lead to certain topics being dropped from the curriculum altogether. Students and faculty also might be chilled from expressing potentially controversial ideas and arguments, which is in direct conflict with higher education’s tradition of uninhibited academic debate.

Forcing guns onto universities will also make it harder for schools to recruit and retain top students and professors. Students could lose out on valuable out-of-classroom interactions with their professors, who might limit or eliminate office hours or discussion groups. And it could change how faculty members deal with potentially volatile matters like student discipline or disputes over grades.

Why have the GA legislators not yet led by example, allowing guns in the State House, Capitol, state courts, and the grounds of those buildings? The reasons are numerous, among them being the hazards that would bring to their workplace.

Schools are also telling us that guns on campus would make it even more difficult (and more expensive) to address the already elevated rates among their students of depression, suicide, drug and alcohol abuse, and physical and sexual violence. A campus-carry law would bring millions of dollars in added costs for higher insurance, security, training, and counseling. And unless the state provides additional funding to cover these costs, the schools will be forced to take this money out of the budgets for other educational needs or collect it from students through increased tuition.

Public institutions of higher education are meant to be places where intellectual curiosity is encouraged and thought and expression are free. Yet those tasked with providing those freedoms are telling us that guns are a problem. We should listen to them.

Sonja West is an associate professor at the University of Georgia School of Law.

Georgia?s campus carry bill is terrible.

[misskit]

Former NFL Player Will Smith Killed in Road Rage Shooting



Former National Football League player Will Smith was shot and killed following a minor car accident in Louisiana Saturday night.

Police said Smith, a former defensive end with the New Orleans Saints, was driving late Saturday through New Orleans' Lower Garden District when his vehicle was hit from behind by a vehicle driven by 28-year-old Cardell Haynes.

The collison caused Smith's car to hit a vehicle in front of him.

Police say after the accident Smith, 34, exchanged words with Haynes, who took out a gun and shot both Smith and his wife, Racquel, several times.


A photo provided by the Orleans Parish Sheriff's Office shows Cardell Hayes, whom police have charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death Saturday of former New Orleans Saints defensive end Will Smith.

Smith died at the scene while his wife was hospitalized with injuries.

Police said the suspect was arrested after the shooting and is being charged with second-degree murder.

The Saints head coach Sean Payton described his death as "senseless"

Smith spent nine seasons with the New Orleans Saints, serving as a defensive captain when the club won its only Super Bowl in 2009. He last played in an NFL regular season game in 2012.

Former NFL Player Will Smith Killed in Road Rage Shooting

[Neverna]

Two big fellas.

[Davis Knowlton]

^Yep. In the past, it would have been one hell of a fistfight. But those days in America are gone.

[Neverna]

Yeah, I was thinking much the same.

Knocking a few lumps out of each other then going your separate ways with a few memories is surely better than one dead, on in jail.

[birding]

A West Seattle girl accused of fatally shooting a man in his car will remain detained as prosecutors weigh charges.


The girl, 16, is suspected of killing 21-year-old Emmanuel Gondo, who was found dead Feb. 24 in the driver’s seat of a black Jaguar parking in South Seattle.
According to police, Gondo had been shot once in the head. He appeared to have been dead for some time before he was discovered at 2:45 p.m. near the intersection of 33rd Avenue South and South Holly Street. The car was parked in a greenbelt.


Writing the court, a Seattle police detective said Gondo’s cellphone and gun were missing, as was his wallet. Investigators were told he may have been carrying up to $3,000.
Investigators were told Gondo had been out the night before with his brother. He was last seen alone with the 16-year-old shortly before midnight.


Writing in court papers, Detective Dana Duffy said the girl told a friend the next day that she “spazzed” out on Gondo after becoming upset with him. The girl is alleged to have posted a statement on Facebook eluding to the killing.
“IM (expletive) TIRED and hot,” she wrote, according to court papers. “You don’t know what I did, you’ll see on news.”


Duffy said the teen later posted a picture of herself with Gondo’s gun to Facebook. She also appeared to have come into a significant amount of money. Before Gondo’s death, she couldn’t afford a hotel room; afterward, she was looking to buy a car.


The girl is currently detained at King County juvenile detention. Prosecutors have until Monday to file charges or release her.
If charged with murder, the girl will likely be prosecuted as an adult due to her age and the nature of the crime.


Police: Teen killer posed with pistol taken from man she killed - seattlepi.com

[Davis Knowlton]

They just CAN'T figure out this social media stuff.......

[harrybarracuda]

One of the two firefighters who were shot Friday night in Maryland has died of his injuries, officials confirmed late Friday.
John Ulmshneider, 39, was a 13-year veteran of the Prince George's County Fire Department, a husband and a father, fire officials said.

"Will it ever end? God, I hope so. But at the end of the day, the men and women of public safety are going to be there when the community needs us. And that's the reality," Prince George's Police Chief Henry Stawinski said.

The firefighters were shot while responding to a medical call. The shooter is in custody and is cooperating with police, Stawinski said.

Firefighter Shot, Killed in Maryland; Another Critically Wounded | NBC4 Washington

[Storekeeper]

8 Ohio family members killed; gunman believed at large

PEEBLES, Ohio — Authorities believe at least one gunman is on the loose who killed eight members of one family "execution-style" early Friday in four separate homes in this rural Ohio community, but a "person of interest" was detained in another community Friday night.

Several of the victims, which included seven adults and a 16-year-old male, were killed in their bed in homes only a few miles apart.
Three children survived the ordeal, including a 4 day old sleeping next to its slain mother, along with a 3-year-old and a six-month-old.

State criminal investigators were interviewing a "person of interest" detained in Chillicothe, Ohio, early Friday night in connection with the deaths. No further information was given, but a vehicle was stopped at about 6:30 p.m. ET and officers from both the Chillicothe Police Department and Ross Count, Ohio, Sheriff's Office detained what appeared to be two people at the scene.
Sheriff George Lavender said the car was stopped as the result of a BOLO from the state Bureau of Criminal Investigation and that state agents were interviewing the suspects.

“This is a horrible, horrible tragedy," Ohio Attorney General Mike Dewine said in a meeting with reporters. DeWine, along with Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader, said none of the victims — all shot in the head — had committed suicide, leading investigators to strongly suspect that they were killed by someone still on the loose.

"Obviously we have one person who is armed and dangerous and there may be more, two or three," DeWine said. "We don't really know how many people we are talking about."

Reader advised people in Pike County "not to panic, but certainly also to be careful." He said residents in this economically struggling region of Appalachia should lock their doors and stay alert.

The officials said the motive for the killings was unclear, but it appeared that the Rhoden family was specifically targeted. Two of the homes were within walking distance of each other on Union Mill Road, a third was about a mile away and the fourth was about another ten-minute drive from the first crime scene.

The rural road, which was swarming all morning with ambulances and local and state and local police, meanders through the countryside of farms, widely spaced homes near Peebles, a town of 1,800 people 80 miles east of Cincinnati.

Phil Fulton, pastor of the Union Hill church, said the Rhoden mother and children used to attend services at his church but hadn’t been there for some time.

Leonard Manley, who told the Cincinnati Enquirer that he is the father and grandfather of some of the victims, said his daughter discovered the bodies when she went to Union Hill Road to feed dogs and chickens as part of her normal routine.
Dozens of officers from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation were sent to the scene at the request of the Pike County Sheriff’s Office.

Police quickly erected barricades to keep out traffic. Several schools in the area were placed on lockdown as a precaution.
The killings took place near the county line between Adams and Pike counties. Officers from both jurisdictions responded to the call, as did officers from Ross County".

[harrybarracuda]

Suspect In Fatal Shooting Of Five People Found Dead: Us Police

WASHINGTON, April 23 (Bernama) -- A man suspected in two shootings that left five people dead Friday night in the southern US state of Georgia has been found dead, local police said.

Police sources said the double shootings occurred at two separate locations early Friday evening in Appling. Four victims died at the scene, while the fifth one died on the way to hospital, China's Xinhua news agency said, citing the WRDW-TV report Friday.

Captain Andy Shedd with the Columbia County Sheriff's office said 50-year-old Wayne Anthony Hawes' body was discovered Saturday by the authorities in his Georgia home.

Police believe the shootings stemmed from a domestic dispute, and that the suspect subsequently set his home on fire and allegedly killed himself.

The identities of the victims remain unclear.

-- BERNAMA

BERNAMA - Suspect In Fatal Shooting Of Five People Found Dead: Us Police

[bobo746]

[bobo746]

Man killed, another critically wounded in Back of the Yards shooting - Chicago Tribune

Man killed, another critically wounded in Back of the Yards shooting

Two men shot, one fatally, in the Back of the Yards neighborhood were among at least five people injured in Chicago shootings since late afternoon Tuesday.
The shooting happened 4:35 p.m. in the 900 block of West Garfield Boulevard, police said. A 26-year-old man shot in the abdomen died at Stroger Hospital. The other man wounded, 19, was in critical condition.
Police said the two men were in a westbound car when someone in another westbound car opened fire, hitting them both. No one is in custody and Area Central detectives are investigating.
In non-fatal shootings:
At 9:35 p.m., a 23-year-old man was shot in the University Village neighborhood. He was shot in the ankle in the 1000 block of West 14th Street. No information was immediately available about the circumstances of the shooting, his condition or where he was being treated.
In the West Garfield Park neighborhood, a 23-year-old man was shot at about 8:20 p.m., Quaid said. The man was outside his home in the 4700 block of West Huron Street when the shooter approached on foot, Quaid said. The man was shot in the knee and was transported to Mount Sinai Hospital in good condition.