The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[AntRobertson]

Motor vehicles, drug laws... Is there anything you won't conflate the issue of gun control with in order to try to obscure and distract from the actual issue of guns. Half the time it's like you're reading from the NRA playbook: 'Guns Don't Kill People: Distractions, Non-sequiturs, Obfuscations & Hey Look What's in My Other Hand!'.

The other half like even you don't know what you're trying to say.

I mean really, how many hours of deeply contemplating your own navel did it take you to arrive at the genius conclusion that the issue is "violence" but somehow the availability of guns designed to kill isn't.

[Neo]

Violence is a symptom not a cause Earl.

Correct, and the firearm is not the cause. Blaming firearms for violence is ludicrous.
Doing so means you aren't really addressing the problem, of what is causing the culture of violent behavior.

Where is most of the firearms homicide concurring? And why?
Those are the questions you should be asking.

Really Earl? The questions we should be asking.?

While you choose to ignore the fact that guns have only one purpose and that without guns there would be less homicide.

Rightee-oh Earl

[harrybarracuda]

No-one is saying the root causes of violence do not need to be researched and addressed.

But the fact is that guns make it incredibly easy to kill: That's what they were invented for. And that's also an issue that needs to be addressed.

[Mr Earl]

While you choose to ignore the fact that guns have only one purpose

But you see, that simply isn't true; firearms have many applications.
If you're going to be disingenuous then your argument does not hold water.

[harrybarracuda]

While you choose to ignore the fact that guns have only one purpose

But you see, that simply isn't true; firearms have many applications.
If you're going to be disingenuous then your argument does not hold water.

They were invented for killing.


Yes, you can use them as a fucking doorstop, but that's really stretching it.

[Cujo]

While you choose to ignore the fact that guns have only one purpose

But you see, that simply isn't true; firearms have many applications.
If you're going to be disingenuous then your argument does not hold water.

Other than to kill, what applications do guns have?
Lets see.
Warning shots.
Shooting padlocks of locked gates when you lost the key.
Shooting balloons that are carrying away a small boy who's holding too many.
Shooting out the tyres on the getaway car.
shooting in the air at weddings.
Shooting out the windows on a car in which a baby is locked.
These are all applications that the inventors of the gun considered at the time.
The fact that they can kill as well is just incidental.
Just like carving knives and automobiles.
Don't you guys know anything.

[AntRobertson]

Shooting balloons that are carrying away a small boy who's holding too many.

[hazz]

I guess its everything except the holy gun brigade for earl

[Neo]

firearms have many applications

Go on... I'm listening.

[Mr Earl]

firearms have many applications

Go on... I'm listening.

Google is your friend, Neo

While you're at it research where most firearms homicide takes place in the USA.

Do it quickly because the bodies are staking up at an alarming rate.

[birding]

Something new that all Merikans should have, for their protection :

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[harrybarracuda]

Something new that all Merikans should have, for their protection :

file:///D:/things%20for%20td/I%20gun.htm.

WTF is that supposed to be?

A file on your D: Drive?

Numpty.

[birding]

Something new that all Merikans should have, for their protection :

file:///D:/things%20for%20td/I%20gun.htm.

WTF is that supposed to be?

A file on your D: Drive?

Numpty.

My apologies Harry I should know I have to make allowances for someone as retarded as you.

Try this Llink :

[harrybarracuda]

Something new that all Merikans should have, for their protection :

file:///D:/things%20for%20td/I%20gun.htm.

WTF is that supposed to be?

A file on your D: Drive?

Numpty.

My apologies Harry I should know I have to make allowances for someone as retarded as you.

No, you should have posted an Internet-accessible URL rather than a direct link to a file on your local hard drive you git.

[happynz]

^^ Cool kit, but the idiot still needs his mama to dress him. WTF with the trainers and suit?

[AntRobertson]

"A well regulated Militia...", now to possibly include children:

Iowa handgun debate: 'We do not need a militia of toddlers'

3:20 PM Thursday Feb 25, 2016



The current Iowa state law has no restrictions on children using rifles or shotguns under a parent's supervision but prohibits them from using handguns. Photo: AP

One of Iowa's legislative bodies has passed a bill to allow children to handle handguns.

The state's House of Representatives voted yesterday for a bill that would permit children younger than 14 to possess "a pistol, revolver or the ammunition" under parental supervision.

The bill - which was debated among other gun proposals and is now headed to the Iowa Senate - has been a polarising issue.

"What this bill does, the bill before us, allows for 1-year-olds, 2-year-olds, 3-year-olds, 4-year-olds to operate handguns," State Rep. Kirsten Running-Marquardt (D) said, according to CBS-affiliate KCCI. "We do not need a militia of toddlers."

The current state law has no restrictions on children using rifles or shotguns under a parent's supervision but prohibits them from using handguns.

State Rep. Jake Highfill (R) said the new bill, which passed 62-36, "brings the code in line with long guns and shotguns" by allowing them to possess a firearm under direct supervision from a parent or legal guardian.

It defines "direct supervision" as "supervision provided by another person who maintains visual and verbal contact at all times with the supervised person".

"Allowing people to learn at a young age the respect that a gun commands is one of the most important things you can do," Highfill told The Washington Post. The alternative, he said, is "turning 18 with no experience."

Highfill said the bill "gives the power back to parents" to decide.

Children cannot, however, purchase a firearm on their own.

Those who opposed the bill expressed safety concerns, bringing up the 9-year-old girl who accidentally killed her shooting range instructor with an Uzi in Arizona.

"Unfortunately, the instructor and the parents made the wrong decision and someone died," state Rep. Mary Mascher (D) said, according to Iowa Public Radio. "Every three hours in this country a child dies from gun violence."

Meredith and Natalie Gibson, who are 12 and 10 years old respectively, told KCCI that they have been shooting since they were 5, under their father's supervision.

"It's only dangerous if you handle it wrong," Natalie told the news station. "You never point a gun at somebody."

The girl's father, who was not named by the station, had been lobbying the state legislature to change the law.

Highfill, the Republican congressman, said the new bill is "something that was needed" in Iowa for a long time.

Parents should have "the power," he said. "I believe this is something the government should not be involved with."

- Washington Post

[harrybarracuda]

One day these cretinous jesus wheezers may get the help they need.

An Oxford University researcher and author specializing in neuroscience has suggested that one day religious fundamentalism may be treated as a curable mental illness.

Kathleen Taylor, who describes herself as a "science writer affiliated to the Department of Physiology, Anatomy and Genetics," made the suggestion during a presentation on brain research at the Hay Literary Festival in Wales on Wednesday.

In response to a question about the future of neuroscience, Taylor said that "One of the surprises may be to see people with certain beliefs as people who can be treated," The Times of London notes.

“Someone who has for example become radicalised to a cult ideology -- we might stop seeing that as a personal choice that they have chosen as a result of pure free will and may start treating it as some kind of mental disturbance," Taylor said. “In many ways it could be a very positive thing because there are no doubt beliefs in our society that do a heck of a lot of damage."

The author went on to say she wasn't just referring to the "obvious candidates like radical Islam," but also meant such beliefs as the idea that beating children is acceptable.

Kathleen Taylor, Neuroscientist, Says Religious Fundamentalism Could Be Treated As A Mental Illness

[hazz]

Given that TD csi and our gun wing nuts have demonstrated a fundamentalist zeal for their cult beliefs.... can anyone credibly believe they are curable?

[harrybarracuda]

[birding]

An off-duty U.S. Army sergeant stationed at the Pentagon has been charged with fatally shooting a Virginia police officer on her first day on the job as she responded to a domestic disturbance at a home outside Washington, authorities said on Sunday.
Ashley Guindon, 28, an officer with the Prince William County Police and a U.S. Marine Corps veteran, died of her wounds after being shot on Saturday evening, a day after she was sworn in as a member of the force, the department said.
Two other officers, Jesse Hempen, 31, and David McKeown, 33, were also shot during the altercation and remained hospitalized, Chief Steve Hudson said during a news conference.
Guindon, Hempen and McKeown were shot at a home they were called to in Lake Ridge, about 15 miles (24 km) southwest of Washington, the county police department said.
Inside the home, police found a woman shot to death and an 11-year-old, who was unharmed, Hudson said.
Army Sergeant Ronald Hamilton, 32, who is stationed at the Pentagon just outside Washington, has been charged in the shooting and was being held without bond, Prince William County Commonwealth Attorney Paul Ebert said.
Hamilton was expected to be arraigned on Monday, Ebert said.
"It's a sad day for everyone in this room. It's a sad day for law enforcement," Ebert said during the press conference standing next to a photo of Guindon.
Guindon was a graduate of Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Florida, where she earned a degree in aeronautics. She also served in the Marine Corps Reserve and has family members in law enforcement, according to the county.
The officer was a 2005 graduate of Merrimack High School in New Hampshire, the principal, Kenneth Johnson, said in a statement.
Guindon interned with the department's forensics services section while she was in graduate school. She graduated in June 2015 from the police academy, but resigned during officer field training for personal reasons. She was hired back about two weeks ago, Hudson said.
"We were struck by her passion to do this job," Hudson said. "She clearly had a passion to serve others."
On Sunday, the department posted a photograph of a black ribbon draped over a squad car in honor of Guindon.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God," the post said.
Local media showed a procession of squad cars and officers standing at attention outside of Inova Fairfax Hospital where Guindon and two other officers where brought after they were shot.
On Friday, the department sent a message on Twitter that included a photo of Guindon and a fellow officer after they were sworn in, saying that she would be working her first shifts over the weekend and adding "Be safe!"
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-virginia-shooting-police-idUSKCN0W102D

[Neo]

died of her wounds after being shot on Saturday evening, a day after she was sworn in as a member of the force

Tragic

and an 11-year-old, who was unharmed

Apart from the mental trauma that will require counseling for the rest of the kids life.

[harrybarracuda]

and an 11-year-old, who was unharmed

Apart from the mental trauma that will require counseling for the rest of the kids life.
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He should move to Iowa, then he can get tooled up.

[AntRobertson]

Ho hum, another day another school shooting...

Four injured in US school shooting

11:00 AM Tuesday Mar 1, 2016

A sheriff says a 14-year-old student pulled out a gun in a southwestern Ohio school cafeteria and opened fire, hitting two students [..]

Four injured in US school shooting - World - NZ Herald News

[birding]

A Tennessee teenager shot his grandmother after being told to get out of bed for school, police say.

The 16-year-old boy's 12-year-old sister and six-year-old nephew were also injured in Tuesday morning's attack at an east Nashville apartment block.
Nobody suffered life-threatening injuries, Metro Nashville Police Department said in a news release.

The shooter's grandmother, Earline Hill, 67, and mother, Sheryl Williams, 42, told officers the teenager lost his temper after they told him to get ready for school.

"There was a quarrel about getting up and getting ready for the day when the 16-year-old ran to a closet, got a 9mm handgun and started firing," Nashville police spokeswoman Kris Mumford told the Tennessean newspaper.

Ms Hill was struck at least twice, while the attacker's nephew and sister suffered graze wounds.
According to the Tennessean, the teen also tried to shoot his mother, but she ducked behind a couch.

The teen's two-year-old sister was also present but was uninjured.
Police said the unnamed attacker ran away from the Berkshire Place Apartments, but was soon caught.

The family told police they did not know the 16-year-old had a gun in the home.
The boy, who attends a school for troubled students, has been refusing to talk to detectives.
He has been charged in juvenile court with four counts of attempted homicide and one count of reckless endangerment.

The suspect's uncle, Joseph Williams, told local TV station WSMV his nephew had seemed no more difficult to deal with than any other teenager.
"You get a little older … your britches get too big for you," he told the broadcaster.
"But you've got to realise you're in someone else's house."

Boy Shoots Family After Being Told To Get Up

[MrG]

The son obviously falls under the heading of a well regulated militia.
If his mother or grandmother had their own gun, they could have "taken care of business" and kept it in the family. Just an example of how guns solve problems.