The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[MarilynMonroe]

Nashville shooter was under a doctor’s care for ‘emotional disorder’


The Nashville school shooter legally purchased seven firearms ahead of Monday’s deadly attack at a private Christian school that left three children and three adults dead, according to police.

Audrey Elizabeth Hale, 28, was armed with three of them — two AR-style weapons and a handgun — when entering the school, killing six people, including three children, police said.

The shooter had been under a doctor’s care for an undisclosed emotional disorder but wasn’t previously known to authorities, John Drake, chief of the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department, said at a news conference Tuesday. The shooter’s parents thought that Hale should not own weapons, Drake said, and were “under the impression” that Hale had sold any firearms.

Law enforcement officials said they had no information showing that Hale had targeted any of the individuals killed in Monday’s shooting at the Covenant School, a small academy housed within a Presbyterian church that served about 200 students from preschool to sixth grade and where Hale had previously been a student. They said they were still searching for a motive.

Police identified the victims as students Evelyn Dieckhaus, Hallie Scruggs and William Kinney, all 9; and staff members Cynthia Peak, 61; Katherine Koonce, 60; and Mike Hill, 61.

]Police initially said the shooter was a 28-year-old woman and then later said Hale was transgender, citing a social media profile in which Hale used masculine pronouns. The Post has not yet confirmed how Hale identified.

]The latest revelations came as Nashville police released footage from body-worn cameras that depicts officers confronting and opening fire on Hale inside the school Monday, killing the shooter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...chool-shooter/

[Headworx]

American people please correct me if I'm wrong but I would think Obama tried the hardest of recent President's to do something about guns as he was on-watch when Sandy Hook occurred. Here's what he had to say at a speaking engagement last night, the last sentence is probably hurdle #1.

[Troy]

Because Texas is the poster child of gun ownership laws in America. It's also where I spent a lot of time and was fully immersed in the gun culture as literally everyone I worked or socialised with had one or more firearms, and to them it was as natural as us having a couple of wrist watches.

So you're extrapolating your time in Texas as being the norm for the whole of the USA, which is incorrect.

Here's a scenario to work with for hurdle #946: Under new hypothetical laws a licenced responsible gun owner has to hand his weapon in, it might have been an AR-15 or a semi-auto shotgun or a bolt action .22 but it really doesn't matter, if the 4 to 5 hundred million gun number is to be slashed and the public de-armed it has to go. His home gets broken into the following week by armed gangbangers and you don't even want to think about what happens to him and his family. That is a very real scenario and the moment it happened, the shit would hit the fan on an unimaginable scale. Thoughts and prayers wouldn't be enough to protect anyone who helped bring those hypothetical laws in, and they know it.

...and coming up with hypothetical what if's that presume every household is under threat. In fact only ~44% of US households are in possession of a gun.

The idea that mother's feel the need to carry a gun when they do their daily shopping, that type of insecurity, appalls me. It is a false insecurity created by greed and needs to be stopped.

It is a very difficult task to curtail guns but is is a necessary one. It is not something that can be carried out in the short term but something that needs constant pressure and constant fighting until realised. Giving up at the first hurdle is not the answer.

[Headworx]

In fact only ~44% of US households are in possession of a gun.

That are known about, you can be pretty sure your average low-life with unregistered firearms didn't take part in the survey. Nobody knows the real number but it would be a lot more than 44%. So that, along with their Castle Doctrine, definitely gives would-be home invaders something to think about. What would happen if they knew the percentage was 0?

The idea that mother's feel the need to carry a gun when they do their daily shopping, that type of insecurity, appalls me.

Me too but it is what it is. There's currently over 2 million people in American prisons and who knows how many times that number are free only because they haven't been caught yet. Not one of them is convicted or wanted for jaywalking. America can be a dangerous place, so good luck convincing those living in high crime areas that they can no longer carry.

[Troy]

Thoughts and prayers being heard in Louisville, Kentucky...

Still early news, but one report suggests 6 people shot, including a police officer and the shooter.



Live updates: Louisville, Kentucky shooting

[beachbound]

I was out, shopping for the restaurant, and happened to be driving by the area, when it was all unfolding. Fucking sickening

[beachbound]

Five dead, including the shooter. No details as to motive. With all the crazy shit going on in the world, I hope it was a bank robbery gone bad.

[dirk diggler]

They are saying the shooter previously worked at the bank.

[harrybarracuda]

Classic "going postal" then?

[beachbound]

What we now know about the shooter:

The man who allegedly shot and killed four people and injured nine others at Old National Bank in Louisville on Monday had worked at the bank full time since June 2021, according to LinkedIn accounts.

Connor James Sturgeon's online account said he still worked there but it is unclear when it was last updated.


Sturgeon, 25, worked most recently as a syndications associate and portfolio banker. He also worked there for three summers as an intern.

The elder Sturgeon resigned from Floyd Central in 2022 saying he wanted to spend more time with Connor and a younger son.
Connor Sturgeon earned his bachelor’s and master’s degrees, receiving his master’s in finance at University of Alabama.
His Instagram account was taken down after the shootings

[panama hat]

The gun used in the shooting was an AR-15 style rifle, a federal law enforcement source told CNN. Kentucky is a "permitless carry" state, meaning gun owners over 21 are legally allowed to carry concealed guns in public without a license.

Of course . . .

[beachbound]

The shooter allegedly called family and friends earlier in the morning, saying he was suicidal, and that he intended to take lives.

[harrybarracuda]

The suspect had recently been notified he was going to be fired

What we know about the Louisville shooting suspect - ABC News

[harrybarracuda]

I wonder if the NRA will come to the rescue with a team of high-priced lawyers?

The mother of a six-year-old boy who shot and wounded a Virginia schoolteacher has been charged in connection with the incident.
Deja Taylor was indicted by a Virginia grand jury on charges of felony child neglect and misdemeanour of recklessly leaving a loaded firearm so as to endanger a child, according to prosecutor Howard Gwynn.


Teacher Abby Zwerner, 25, was shot in the hand and chest on 6 January at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News, Virginia, following an alleged altercation inside a classroom.
She was left critically injured and spent almost two weeks in hospital, undergoing four operations.
Last month she described her recovery as "exhausting", and told Sky News' US partner network NBC News how she struggled to get out of bed and was unable to fully use her left hand.
The teacher subsequently filed a $40m (£32m) lawsuit against the school.

Mother of pupil, 6, who shot Virginia teacher in classroom charged | US News | Sky News

[Backspin]

Damn millennials !

The shooter was a Zoomer. He interned at the bank for 3 summers and worked there for 2 years. He probably thought he had a future there.

The victims were a millennial, 2 gen X'ers and 2 boomers.

The five dead are Joshua Barrick (40), Thomas Elliot (63), Juliana Farmer (45), James Tutt (64) and Deana Eckert (57).

A 2020 University of Alabama graduate with a masters in finance, Sturgeon is described as a star multi-sport athlete in high school. Amid the shock of learning what Sturgeon did, a former classmate told Daily Beast:

“The big thing I keep going back to is that in the first year of high school, we played football together in eighth grade, he was out most of the year because he had multiple concussions. Then he had a couple more in high school. I’m not saying it’s the cause but I always think back to that…

[panama hat]

Damn millennials !

The shooter was a Zoomer.

Is there no depth . . . at all?

[cyrille]

http://https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/15/south-dakota-governor-kristi-noem-grandchild-guns-nra

South Dakota governor says her two-year-old granddaughter has several guns.

[panama hat]

^

“Now Addie, who you know – soon will need them, I wanna reassure you, she already has a shotgun and she already has a rifle and she’s got a little pony named Sparkles too. So the girl is set up,” said Noem.

She's allowed . . . says so right in one of the amendments that can't be amended anymore, right after arming bears

[Troy]

More thoughts and prayers, this time in Dadeville, Alabama. Shooting at a teenage birthday party kills 4.

That's 150 mass killings this year. It's almost safer to be in Ukraine...

[Norton]

So common not worth the effort to paste here so, have a look.

The latest: Gunman opens fire at teen's birthday party in Dadeville

[Troy]

^^ That should have said 160 this year. Still no word about the shooter and 28 is a lot of injured.

Is there no end to this madness? BBC reporting a woman killed because their car pulled into the wrong driveway and a teenager shot and wounded for ringing someone's doorbell.

Clearly, US citizens cannot be trusted with guns any more than any other society in the world. Appears they are scared of their own shadows half the time. Is that the price of "freedom".

[Ukan Kizmiaz]

[panama hat]

Clearly, US citizens cannot be trusted with guns any more than any other society in the world. Appears they are scared of their own shadows half the time. Is that the price of "freedom".

Not all societies are the same, in this case ruled by fear, fed fear and perceive fear.

[harrybarracuda]

Not all societies are the same, in this case ruled by fear, fed fear and perceive fear.

And are terminally fucking stupid.

[Norton]

Not all societies are the same, in this case ruled by fear, fed fear and perceive fear.

2nd amendment went in force in 1791 and back then suppose there were real fears but now after many court rulings essentially has evolved in the right to possess and use near any type of weapon to protect yourself, your individual rights, your states rights et al.

So yes it is completely out of control and you can be damn sure nothing is going to change because of another fear. The fear polititions have of doing anything related to disarming it's constituents.