The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[harrybarracuda]

Did you take a look at this site?

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Because there are so many shootings and mass shootings, I tend to only post the high casualty, young victim or unusual ones.

I suspect I'm not alone.

[cyrille]

Sure.

The site I linked to has the exhaustive stats and an awful lot of work doubtless goes into it.

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

Did you take a look at this site?

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Fuck me.

Scary stats!

Over 20,000 suicides each year, at the hand of a gun.

You can bet your life that the quota would be far less if the readily available option was using a box cutter instead of just pulling a trigger in a moment of madness.

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

In this April 10, 2013 photo, craftsman Veetek Witkowski holds a newly assembled AR-15 rifle at the Stag Arms company in New Britain, Conn. (AP)




Despite nearly 40,000 American gun deaths in 2017, gun control opponents, including the National Rifle Association and the president, have blocked universal background checks, red flag laws and bans on assault weapons and large capacity magazines, claiming such controls won’t prevent shootings.


But if they are correct that these proposed gun-control bills are ineffective “half-measures,” then there should be no objection to a full-measure solution to gun terror.


With apologies to Thomas Jefferson: When in the course of human events the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness has been superseded by the right of people to keep and bear arms without adequate regulation, it becomes time to repeal the Second Amendment of the Constitution.


I anticipate gun owners echoing the slogan: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands. Guns, they say, don’t kill people — people do.


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But which people? The NRA and President Donald Trump have blamed the mentally ill. But those who pull triggers include everyone from the calculating to the impulsive; the angry to the frightened; the bullied to the bullies; the entitled to the alienated; the egotistical to the depressed. In other words: Guns are us.




Guns have become lethal extensions of some gun-owners’ emotional outbursts. And the public square has regressed into the Wild West as people shoot over parking spaces, lost jobs, spilled drinks and perceived slights.


And with some 350 mass shootings so far this year, gun violence, which has long plagued our city streets, has been brought into America’s back yards. Consequently, some parents no longer take for granted their children’s safety in schools, places of worship, entertainment venues, shopping malls, and even in neighbor’s home.


Passing through metal detectors, emptying our pockets and being frisked have been normalized. School children practice evasive action drills. In other words, our right to life and liberty is threatened by a gun culture run amok. If we don’t stand our ground against the proliferation of guns, we will, in effect, be reduced to human targets in a public shooting gallery.


According to David Hemenway, the director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, the United States leads the developed world in gun-related homicides because it has more guns than any other developed nation. America has 120 guns per 100 persons, concentrated in the hand of only 42 percent of American households. But what about everyone’s right to life that some gun owners threaten?


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In the republic’s early days, security depended on citizen-armed militias and individual gun ownership. But as former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens (a Republican) said, the Second Amendment is “a relic of the 18th century.” Indeed, former Chief Justice Warren Burger (also a Republican) called the Second Amendment the “subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American public.”


I’m not suggesting we arrest legal gun owners and indiscriminately confiscate their guns. However, the further sale of guns to citizens should be halted, current gun owners should be required to keep their weapons locked in their homes, and any guns carried outside the home should be seized, permanently, whenever law enforcement detects them.


The gun problem will not be solved overnight. Kevin McMahon, an expert in constitutional law and professor of political science at Trinity College said repealing the Second Amendment would require “a sea-change” in how Americans think about gun control and the right to bear arms.


But such sea changes in American attitudes have created watershed policy and legal changes throughout the development of our republic, like the abolition of slavery; the passage of the 19th Amendment that gave women the right to vote; the passage and subsequent repeal of Prohibition; and the passage of civil rights laws.


More recently, we have banned cigarette smoking in public places because of the danger it poses to non-smokers, and recently President Trump proposed banning some vaping products after a number of deaths. It follows that weapons used to kill tens of thousands citizens in American each year should also be banned.


If we consider that 15 times more U.S. citizens died by gunfire in America in one year than all American soldiers killed in Afghanistan in 18 years, then our nation’s most immediate source of terrorism exists within our borders, perpetrated, in part, by legally armed citizens, and facilitated by the obsolete Second Amendment.


Thomas Cangelosi lives in Avon.

https://www.courant.com/opinion/op-ed/hc-op-cangelosi-second-amendment-1103-20191103-m6x5zhjznncmbjfpsmft4ny5yq-story.html√

[Latindancer]

15 times more U.S. citizens died by gunfire in America in one year than all American soldiers killed in Afghanistan in 18 years


WOW !

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

California school shooting: Santa Clarita attack leaves two dead











Media captionLA county sheriff: "I hate to have Saugus added to Sandy Hook and Columbine"Two students have been killed and three others injured by a gunman who opened fire at a secondary school in California, officials say.
The shooting took place at the Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, north of Los Angeles, minutes before the school day was due to begin.
A 16-year-old male suspect, who was also injured, was taken into custody.
Many US schools have implemented active shooter drills in recent years after fatal attacks around the country.

• America's gun culture in charts
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What do we know about the shooting?








Media captionAerial views of the scene show students being evacuatedThe shooting was first reported at 07:38 local time (15:38 GMT), LA county sheriff Alex Villanueva told a press conference. "Within seconds we received multiple [emergency] calls," he said, adding that the first police units had arrived at the scene within two minutes.
Police found six people suffering from gunshot wounds and transferred them to local hospitals - and the suspect was later identified as one of those injured, Mr Villanueva said.



Two victims - a 16-year-old girl and a 14-year-old boy - died of their injuries, police said. The other victims were two girls aged 15 and 14, and a 14-year-old boy.
The suspect was "identified as a 16-year-old male whose birthday was today", firearms expert Captain Kent Wegener said. He was named by US media as Nathaniel Berhow.








Media captionSaugus High School students "barricaded doors" during shootingAccording to surveillance footage, the suspect took a gun out of his backpack and shot the five students, before turning the gun on himself. The weapon recovered was an emptied .45 calibre semi-automatic pistol, Mr Wegener added. Police said they had located the suspect's home and would search it for evidence.
What was it like for other students?

Saugus High School and other neighbouring schools were placed on lockdown during the shooting. The lockdown was lifted about three hours later.
LA undersheriff Tim Murakami wrote on Twitter that police would be interviewing all Saugus High School students before releasing them to their parents. He added that they would investigate rumours that the suspect had posted threats on social media.

One student told NBC she was doing her homework when people started running. "I was really, really scared. I was shaking," she said.
Another student, named as Azalea, told CBS she and her classmates had barricaded the classroom door with chairs. "It was just really scary, having everybody panic and call their parents, saying they love you."

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News of the attack emerged during a Senate debate on gun control legislation. Senator Richard Blumenthal, a Democrat, was arguing for gun control when he was given a note with the news.
"We are complicit if we fail to act," he said. "It is not just a political responsibility, it is a moral imperative."
Meanwhile, the acting Homeland Security Secretary, Chad Wolf, said in a statement that his department took school shootings "very seriously" and would help the authorities "develop trainings and resources to improve response capabilities and better protect soft targets".
Gun control, and the right to bear arms, is a divisive political issue in the US. About 40% of Americans say they own a gun or live in a household with one, according to a 2017 survey, and the rate of murder or manslaughter by firearm in the country is the highest in the developed world.
According to the Washington Post, more than 230,000 young people in the US have experienced gun violence at school since the Columbine High School massacre in Colorado in 1999.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50422956

[AntRobertson]

'Thoughts & Prayers(TM)'

[harrybarracuda]

USA! USA! etc.

Fucking dimwits.

[AntRobertson]

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Still too soon to talk about gun control?

[Stumpy]

What is most disturbing are all the same ol same comments by political asshats. " We live in a small community and this never happens, I am shocked" or " Our hearts and prayers got out to the families and their loss". Now to follow is "GUN CONTROL!!!!!". Then a few weeks its forgotten and we wait for the next one.

My Dad pinged me this morning about the shooting and said The shooter wasn't very prepared like others, Showed up with a 9mm and one clip. Fortunate for others in the bigger picture.

[harrybarracuda]

A 16-year-old male suspect, who was also injured, was taken into custody.

If he put a .45 bullet into his head, the outlook is bleak.

[harrybarracuda]

[Stumpy]

There was another shooting that will not make big world news but a guy shot his wife and 3 boys then off'd himself in San Diego Calif. Total dead 5.

That's not enough to raise big news concern. It takes a public random shooting to make news. Personal shootings stay local to the area and only make news after 3 or more dead.

[cyrille]

^

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...565039022.html

This gun violence archive is impressive.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

[AntRobertson]

I'll take your word for it...

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[panama hat]

Still too soon to talk about gun control?

Fool! He was white, therefore he was clearly in need of mental disability support and didn't get it - blame it on Newsom and Obama. Society is to blame here

Luckily there were good people with guns around to stop him

[harrybarracuda]

Works for me, you must be suspect Ant.

[panama hat]

Looks like it's all under control . . . all in the name of preparing for government tyranny

[Troy]

^ It's safer to drive on Thailand's roads than live in the US ..

That's a rather worrying statistic..

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

and another one ..

9 shot, some fatally, at family gathering to watch football in Fresno originally appeared on abcnews.go.com
Nine people were shot at a gathering in Fresno on Sunday evening after a family had gathered to watch football, police said. Authorities said some of those shot were killed, but did not provide a specific number.
A suspect sneaked into the back of the home and opened fire on the people who had gathered there, according to Fresno Police Lt. Bill Dooley.
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The shoot took place at about 6 p.m. local time.
The shooter was able to escape and police do not know their identity, Dooley said. It is, however, possible the person was known to the victims.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/9-shot-fat...opstories.html

[David48atTD]

^ 4 dead, 6 wounded in Fresno, California, football watch party shooting



Key Points

• Four people were killed and six more wounded when “unknown suspects” sneaked into a backyard filled with people at a party in central California and fired into the crowd.
• The shooting took place about 6 p.m. on Fresno’s southeast side, where people were gathered to watch a football game.
• About 35 people were at the party when the shooting began and all of the victims were Asian men ranging in ages from 25 to 35.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/18/4-de...-shooting.html

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

A gunman opened fire on two people in a car outside an Oklahoma Walmart on Monday morning, killing them, before fatally shooting himself, authorities said. Police received a report of a shooting in the parking lot of a Walmart in Duncan at 9:53 a.m. Monday and responded a minute later, Duncan Police Chief Danny Ford said at a news conference.



Ford said it appeared the shooter opened fire with a handgun and at one point walked up to the car, but it wasn't clear whether he started firing at first from on foot or from another vehicle.
A man and a woman who were sitting in the driver's side and passenger seats were found fatally shot, Ford said. The gunman was found dead outside the car. Ford said the victims knew the suspect, but couldn't detail the relationship.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/walmart...ay-2019-11-18/

[harrybarracuda]

New Orleans shooting: Eleven victims near French Quarter


Police in New Orleans say there have been 11 victims of a shooting incident near the French Quarter tourist hub.


Two people are in critical condition, with shots to the chest and torso respectively. No fatalities have been reported.


The incident took place on Canal St between Bourbon and Chartres streets at about 03:20 local time (09:20 GMT).


Police said on their Twitter feed that "one suspect had been apprehended near the scene".


They later said the person's possible involvement was still under investigation and that no arrests had yet been made. No other details have been given.


The victims have all been taken to hospital.


Video footage from the scene showed numerous police vehicles cordoning off the area as forensic teams made checks.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50619957

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

One for the Darwin awards..

A 65-year-old American man who rigged his home with a booby trap to keep out intruders has been killed by the device.
Ronald Cyr called police in the town of Van Buren in the state of Maine to say he had been shot.
Police found a door had been designed to fire a handgun should anyone attempt to enter. Mr Cyr was taken to hospital but died of his injuries.
It is not uncommon for home-owners to install such traps - but it is illegal.
Police in Van Buren, which borders the Canadian province of New Brunswick, said they responded to a 911 call in the early evening of Thanksgiving, last Thursday, from a man who said he had been shot.




"Following an extensive investigation that lasted into the early morning... it was determined that Mr Cyr had been shot as the result of the unintentional discharge of one of his homemade devices," the police department said in a Facebook post.
"Regretfully, Mr Cyr succumbed to the injuries he sustained from the gunshot."
It is not known how he managed to set off the device.
Image copyright Reuters Image caption Rigging homes with devices that can harm is illegal The police also found other possible devices and called in help from the Maine State Police Bomb Squad.
There have been other cases of booby-trapped homes in the US.
In February, a team of real estate investors walking through a home they had bought in Philadelphia discovered that a staircase had been rigged with string which, if tripped, would have triggered a swinging knife.
In September last year, a man in Illinois was killed when he opened a neighbour's shed that had been rigged to fire a shotgun. William Wasmund, 48, was found guilty this September of first-degree murder and aggravated battery.
And in October last year a man in Oregon was charged after fortifying his home "like a scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark".
FBI agents found a circular hot tub linked up to a tripwire, a fortified front door, animal traps and a wheelchair rigged with a shotgun that went off, hitting an agent in the leg.
Is it legal to booby trap your home in the US?

The definition of booby trap is a concealed or camouflaged device that can cause bodily injury when triggered.
It is illegal to set up devices in your home to protect it from intruders, if those devices can cause harm.
The legal argument is that life is more valued than property and that the devices have no means of preventing accidental harm or distinguishing between targets.
Even if the trap targets a criminal, the trap-setter, though having the right to protect their home, has no right to determine the punishment.
Injury can lead to lawsuits. In the 1971 case of Katko v. Briney, in Iowa, two homeowners were held liable for injuries caused by their spring-loaded shotgun to a trespasser intent on stealing from a vacant property.
The court ruled the deadly force was not reasonable and awarded the plaintiff $30,000 (£23,000) in damages.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50619952

[panama hat]

Yea, I read that earlier . . . what an utter imbecile. I guess when you decide that murdering someone for stealing paint from your garage, you're fairly well fucked up anyway