Thread: Liberal Double Standards

Clint Eastwood directs a movie based on some truth and some lies. Why ruin a decent movie narrative by showing all the cards in the players hand ?

People want to feel good about their soldiers when they walk out of the theater and that's what this movie is about.
Showing soldiers doing a job they're trained to do under very nasty conditions.
Soldiers are trained to dehumanize their opponents. War is a pretty shitty business if you're a grunt. You simply follow orders.

Instead of Detective Callahan or a wronged cowboy taking out all the bad guys it's now a trained sniper doing his job of saving his comrades in arms.

There are usually several versions to the truth and sniper Kyle told some pretty wooly tales of other instances and about other occasions.
You can portray Kyle with respect as a hero or disdain as a villain ; Clintwood chose the former which happened to be particularly good timing after November's election results.

For Hollywood's directors and producers now would not be prudent to release an action movie based on Police Officers or SWAT teams doing the jobs they are trained to do nor of NFL footballers instilling family values.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The Left (Once) Loved Snipers, Too

"American Sniper has been an unstoppable juggernaut at the box office so far, surpassing the money earned by James Cameron’s Avatar and Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ in their respective opening weekends. Clearly this is a movie that is broadly resonating with the American public."

...packed theaters having to turn away moviegoers. Selma, not so much.



That’s a Woodie Guthrie song dedicated to a Soviet woman sniper during the Battle of Stalingrad. Could it be that lefties only hate American snipers?

"Let’s see: if you can’t make the moral distinction between terrorists who aim to kill civilians and a uniformed military person, in a lawfully authorized war, shooting terrorists attempting to bomb your comrades using children dressed in civilian clothes, then you must be a liberal. With lots of empathy"

Intelligence Tests for Liberals | Power Line

Americans devour militarism and all references thereof.
Hardwired in their DNA.

So is 'billionaire Jeff Greene' gong to downsize his life? I wonder if he pays as much tax as the middle class.

^Pays his 51% of what he shows is taxable, same as all billionaires. Most of their money is in tax free heavens or tax free bonds. Moving the bulk of your business off-shore in yet another way to avoid such taxation.

Rich people have lots of advice for poor people, because they can afford it. Bill Gates Foundation, Buffet's Foundations all tax dodges, but in foreign lands, not their own country or their own countries poverty stricken or needy. Whys that?

Ted Turner turned over his millions to the UN...What a complete idiot!

All this said and done, America and Americans are the most "giving," nation on the earth. Check it out folks...

Originally Posted by ltnt

^Pays his 51% of what he shows is taxable, same as all billionaires.

Where on earth did you get that 51% figure?

Originally Posted by ltnt

Bill Gates Foundation, Buffet's Foundations all tax dodges, but in foreign lands, not their own country or their own countries poverty stricken or needy.

How are they dodging their taxes? Do you know anything about 501(c)(3)’s and how they have to file their taxes?

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Americans devour militarism and all references thereof.
Hardwired in their DNA.

I'm sure you believe your own fallacies BUT.

Any product of Hollywood that purports to be based on a true story should be taken as anything but. It's easy to like American Sniper if you remember that Kyle, as depicted in the movie, is a fictionalized caricature. Evaluate the movie on story telling and craft not truth.

Originally Posted by Humbert

It's easy to like American Sniper if you remember that Kyle, as depicted in the movie, is a fictionalized caricature.

But why is that? What makes this movie easy to like? Why would a movie about killing other people be enjoyable?

Dont get me wrong I enjoy violent movies and videogames, but at least I acknowledge my own cultural brainwashing. "Realizing you have a problem is the 1st step to overcoming it".

It's gotten to this:

BBC DESCRIBES TERRORISTS KILLED IN WAR BY CHRIS KYLE AS ‘VICTIMS’

"According to the BBC, Chris Kyle shot “victims” not evil barbaric terrorists determined to take the lives of American Marines and/or innocent Iraqi civilians. In an irresponsible piece of reporting that details no facts about the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) claim that “American Sniper” is “behind a rise in anti-Muslim threats."

BBC News - American Sniper film 'behind rise in anti-Muslim threats'

What a load of horsepucky. It's Liberals unhinged!

4 days and no answers yet. Why’s that?

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Originally Posted by ltnt

^Pays his 51% of what he shows is taxable, same as all billionaires.

Where on earth did you get that 51% figure?

Originally Posted by ltnt

Bill Gates Foundation, Buffet's Foundations all tax dodges, but in foreign lands, not their own country or their own countries poverty stricken or needy.

How are they dodging their taxes? Do you know anything about 501(c)(3)’s and how they have to file their taxes?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Chris Kyle shot “victims” not evil barbaric terrorists

If a foreign power invaded the USA and some in the populace fought back would you also describe them as "evil barbaric terrorists"?

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Chris Kyle shot “victims” not evil barbaric terrorists

If a foreign power invaded the USA and some in the populace fought back would you also describe them as "evil barbaric terrorists"?

He wont answer this one.

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

But why is that? What makes this movie easy to like? Why would a movie about killing other people be enjoyable?
Dont get me wrong I enjoy violent movies and videogames, but at least I acknowledge my own cultural brainwashing. "Realizing you have a problem is the 1st step to overcoming it".

Cultural brainwashing You're pontificating like a sophomoric idiot. You answered your own challenge to me.

Let me summarise "American Sniper".

Bloke joins the army because he saw 9/11 on telly.

He shoots a load of Iraqis.

He goes home. His wife bleats at him to stay.

He shoots a load of Iraqis.

He goes home. His wife bleats at him to stay.

<repeat as many times as necessary>

He shoots a load of Iraqis.

He goes home and stays.

He gets killed by one of his own.


It's well filmed and the action sequences are well directed, but really there is bugger all to it.

However it does appear to have become a film version of a wank mag to the teabaggers.

Michael Moore alone must have contributed a quarter of the gross.

^
Highest grossing war flick of all time.

Must resonate with the 'silent majority' or what?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

'silent majority'

Will rock your world boontard. As it has time and again. You will flounce like a little crybaby.

Some pussy sat there shooting at Iraqis from a distance is not a "hero".

This is a fucking hero.

Lieutenant-General Sir Adrian Paul Ghislain Carton de Wiart, VC, KBE, CB, CMG, DSO (5 May 1880 – 5 June 1963) was a British Army officer. He served in the Boer War, First World War, and Second World War; was shot in the face, head, stomach, ankle, leg, hip, and ear; survived two plane crashes; tunnelled out of a POW camp; and bit off his own fingers when a doctor refused to amputate them.

And this is the best bit....

Describing his experiences in World War I, he wrote, "Frankly I had enjoyed the war."

Don't see what all the fuss is about. Now here's a sniper-

Simo "Simuna" Häyhä December 17, 1905 – April 1, 2002), nicknamed "White Death" by the Red Army, was a Finnish marksman. Using a Finnish version of the Mosin–Nagant in the Winter War, he acquired the highest recorded number, in any major war, of at least 505 confirmed sniper kills.



It took several years for Häyhä to recuperate from his wound. The bullet had crushed his jaw and blown off his left cheek. Nonetheless, he made a full recovery and became a successful moose hunter and dog breeder after World War II, and hunted with Finnish President Urho Kekkonen.[9]
When asked in 1998 how he had become such a good shooter, Häyhä answered "Practice." When asked if he regretted killing so many people, he said, "I only did my duty, and what I was told to do, as well as I could." Simo Häyhä spent his last years in Ruokolahti, a small municipality located in southeastern Finland, near the Russian border. Simo Häyhä died in war veterans nursing home in Hamina in 2002 at the age of 96
Simo Häyhä - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyway, I'm sure Clint Eastwood & the surviving Kyle family are laughing all the way to the bank.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Chris Kyle shot “victims” not evil barbaric terrorists

If a foreign power invaded the USA and some in the populace fought back would you also describe them as "evil barbaric terrorists"?

He wont answer this one.

Looks like you called that one!

Originally Posted by sabang

Don't see what all the fuss is about. Now here's a sniper-

Simo "Simuna" Häyhä December 17, 1905 – April 1, 2002), nicknamed "White Death" by the Red Army, was a Finnish marksman. Using a Finnish version of the Mosin–Nagant in the Winter War, he acquired the highest recorded number, in any major war, of at least 505 confirmed sniper kills.



It took several years for Häyhä to recuperate from his wound. The bullet had crushed his jaw and blown off his left cheek. Nonetheless, he made a full recovery and became a successful moose hunter and dog breeder after World War II, and hunted with Finnish President Urho Kekkonen.[9]
When asked in 1998 how he had become such a good shooter, Häyhä answered "Practice." When asked if he regretted killing so many people, he said, "I only did my duty, and what I was told to do, as well as I could." Simo Häyhä spent his last years in Ruokolahti, a small municipality located in southeastern Finland, near the Russian border. Simo Häyhä died in war veterans nursing home in Hamina in 2002 at the age of 96
Simo Häyhä - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyway, I'm sure Clint Eastwood & the surviving Kyle family are laughing all the way to the bank.

Well the Kyle family aren't, every $ they earn increases the size of Jesse Ventura's lawsuit.

Can't find a more glaring example of Liberal Double Standards than this one: