Iran

**MrG** · 10-12-2014, 09:17 AM

If the logic is that the US assisted ISIS by invading, (and I don't think that's true) then the countries below also deserve blame. Easy to jump on the US for the stupidity of the invasion, and there's plenty of blame to go around.

The invasion consisted of 21 days of major combat operations, in which a combined force of troops from the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland invaded Iraq and deposed the Ba'athist government of Saddam Hussein. The invasion phase consisted primarily of a conventionally fought war which concluded with the capture of the Iraqi capital of Baghdad by American forces.

Four countries participated with troops during the initial invasion phase, which lasted from 19 March to 9 April 2003. These were the United States (148,000), United Kingdom (45,000), Australia (2,000), and Poland (194). 36 other countries were involved in its aftermath.

2003 invasion of Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**pseudolus** · 10-12-2014, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by MrG

stupidity of the invasion

There was no stupidity from the US powers that be in their invasion. It was long planned and they got exactly what they wanted from it. Money, and fear in the masses to allow them to do what ever they want with complete impunity.

**bsnub** · 10-12-2014, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Snubbles I like how you can tell the difference between the "friendly" rebels and the "unfriendly"rebels consistently.

It's pretty goddamned simple if you take some time and do some research.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

You seem, along with the powers in washington and their lapdog media to know that they are not just rebels and that training, funding and arming rebels does not mean that the "unfriendly" ones are getting the goodies.

Your posts have become really repetitive and tiresome. You live in a fantasy world that only you can comprehend. That above quote makes no sense.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Such insight you have, such brilliance you possess to trust that who Washington says are nice and bad are correct when on the flip side

Once again you stick to your tired old MO of claiming that whoever questions your dribble must be brainwashed and under the control of Washington. Utter tripe. If you spent just a short amount of time using resources like youtube or twitter you could quickly become familiar with the different groups there. Hell you can hear it in their own words. But you want to push your own fantasy.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

you freely admit that washington is a vipers nest of war mongering blood thirsty sold out to large corporation despotic lying koonts who would do anything to advance their tyranny and profits.

Yes, I have but I am also not as desperate as you to spin every global event into some deranged master conspiracy theory.

**harrybarracuda** · 10-12-2014, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Had the US not
1- disastrously invaded Iraq &
2- materially assisted the Islamist Syrian rebels

Would there be an ISIS 'Caliphate' now?
No, there wouldn't be.

And how the fuck does any of that equate to:

US trained, armed and directed ISIS.

except in the minds of blithering, paranoid idiots.

**Fluke** · 10-12-2014, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by sabang

Had the US not
1- disastrously invaded Iraq &
2- materially assisted the Islamist Syrian rebels

Would there be an ISIS 'Caliphate' now?
No, there wouldn't be.

Your number one is exactly correct it was the misguided invasion of Iraq that created this whole mess. The arab spring most likely would have never reached Syria if Saddam and the old Iraq were still in place. So in that context the US did create ISIS.

A series of events did lead the ISIS creation , but the US didnt act in that way to deliberately create ISIS .
If a person builds a house, they are the creators of that house , the people who knocked down the previous house that was there 13 years ago are not the creators of that new house .

**OhOh** · 11-12-2014, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ More smoke and mirrors eh OhDOH? That document has no evidence to back up your nonsensical claims.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Once again you stick to your tired old MO of claiming that whoever questions your dribble must be brainwashed and under the control of Washington. Utter tripe. If you spent just a short amount of time using resources like youtube or twitter you could quickly become familiar with the different groups there. Hell you can hear it in their own words. But you want to push your own fantasy.

Logic?

**Jesus Jones** · 11-12-2014, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by zygote1

Iran has one of the worst human rights records in the world.

Jail sentence for Iranian dissident reported: Latest ruling against Abdolfattah Soltani, a prominent human-rights lawyer, cannot be appealed, his daughter says.
Jail sentence for Iranian dissident reported - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

Dead photographer's son flays Iran: The son of Canadian photographer Zahra Kazemi, who died in a Tehran jail, has demanded that the Iranian government be taken to the International Court of Justice for his mother's death. Zahra Kazemi died in Iranian custody on 11 July 2003 after her arrest and detention for taking photographs of a student demonstration.
Dead photographer's son flays Iran - Archive - Al Jazeera English

Iran: Dozens Unlawfully Held in City’s Prisons Others Imprisoned on Suspect Charges, Trials August 18, 2014 (Beirut) – Several dozen prisoners in a northern city are serving prison terms for exercising their basic rights, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. Iranian authorities should immediately and unconditionally release all political prisoners, Human Rights Watch said.
Iran: Dozens Unlawfully Held in City

Also from HRW: Human Rights in Iran - Executions, especially for drug-related offenses, continued at high rates. The judiciary released some political prisoners, but many civil society activists remained in prison on political charges. Authorities regularly subjected prisoners, especially those convicted on politically motivated charges, to abuse and deprive them of necessary medical treatment. Iranian women continued to face discrimination in many areas including personal status matters. Authorities restricted political participation and employment of minority groups, who account for about 10 percent of the population.

Stellar record. Note that I only used approved leftist sources for references as I know you refuse to accept anything from alternative sources.

Nice try, but interior affairs which doesn't give the US right to dictate to them. The west is so full of behind the curtain shit. it's untrue!

**RPETER65** · 12-12-2014, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The Americans and the Gulf Arabs armed and funded Sunni Syrian opposition and the ISIS boys moved in and took advantage.

This, in the minds of the OhOhs of this world, mean that the US trained and directed ISIS. Of course it's a load of bollocks.

Of course it does.

**bsnub** · 12-12-2014, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The Americans and the Gulf Arabs armed and funded Sunni Syrian opposition and the ISIS boys moved in and took advantage.

This, in the minds of the OhOhs of this world, mean that the US trained and directed ISIS. Of course it's a load of bollocks.

Of course it does.

??

**RPETER65** · 12-12-2014, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Had the US not
1- disastrously invaded Iraq &
2- materially assisted the Islamist Syrian rebels

Would there be an ISIS 'Caliphate' now?
No, there wouldn't be.

Had Obama left troops in Iraq, until they were actually ready to defend themselves there would be no ISIS in Iraq.

**RPETER65** · 12-12-2014, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Nathan Napalm

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Be nice, poor little Albert is having a bad day. He's got no mates and he's resorted to stalking me everywhere.

Have to let the general public know what a cvnt you are son

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

He'll be sobbing himself to sleep when I fuck off for a beer.

Originally Posted by cnx37

HB - you are a cough tunt!

I swear to god, I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt as you've just had throat cancer. But my patience is wearing thin you cvnt faced goat.

Thought you said there was no God.

**RPETER65** · 12-12-2014, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The Americans and the Gulf Arabs armed and funded Sunni Syrian opposition and the ISIS boys moved in and took advantage.

This, in the minds of the OhOhs of this world, mean that the US trained and directed ISIS. Of course it's a load of bollocks.

Of course it does.

??

Think

**Nathan Napalm** · 12-12-2014, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Thought you said there was no God.

You thought wrong.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Think

Have you not met Bsnub then

**Nathan Napalm** · 12-12-2014, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Had Obama left troops in Iraq, until they were actually ready to defend themselves there would be no ISIS in Iraq.

Had America not invaded Iraq and murdered and maimed millions of its people - then there would be no ISIS today.

**bsnub** · 12-12-2014, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Thought you said there was no God.

There is not. Moving along..Qucickly

Originally Posted by Nathan Napalm

Have you not met Bsnub then

Neither have you

**RPETER65** · 12-12-2014, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Nathan Napalm

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Had Obama left troops in Iraq, until they were actually ready to defend themselves there would be no ISIS in Iraq.

Had America not invaded Iraq and murdered and maimed millions of its people - then there would be no ISIS today.

Is someone disputing this fact.

**RPETER65** · 12-12-2014, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Nathan Napalm

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Thought you said there was no God.

You thought wrong.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Think

Have you not met Bsnub then

No I did not I read the post.

**Nathan Napalm** · 12-12-2014, 06:12 PM

Did anyone say they were?

**harrybarracuda** · 12-12-2014, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Nathan Napalm

Did anyone say they were?

Try and keep up Albert, you thick twat.

**Nathan Napalm** · 12-12-2014, 06:52 PM

^Are your parents related Harry?

**OhOh** · 19-12-2014, 11:47 AM

Some people feel a rapprochement may be coming between Iran and the P5+1.

"The respective ‘red lines’ are: a) Iran insists on the right to industrial-scale nuclear enrichment and wants sanctions to be lifted and not merely suspended; b) the US wants the ‘breakout time’ (time needed for Iran to develop one nuclear weapon) to be not less than a year and is eager to retain in some measure the leverage of sanctions to ensure Iran’s commitment to any deal.
Besides, new salients have appeared. For sure, the US and Iran are already working together (without acknowledging so) to ease regional tensions in the Middle East, which in turn instills mutual confidence at the negotiating table.

Second, the US’ ‘partners’ within the P5+1 (European allies, Russia and China) are eager to settle the Iran nuclear issue and move on with Iran’s full integration with the international community.

Third, steadily, an Iranian domestic consensus has formed as regards the imperative need to resolve the nuclear issue.

Fourth, there is, possibly, a certain easing of Israeli opposition to an Iran deal (that is, any deal that allows Iran’s enrichment program to continue in any form).

Five, and most important, a breakdown of the talks becomes in reality a ‘non-option’. On the one hand, Europeans and Russia and China have had enough of Iran’s sanctions, while on the other hand, the US (and Israel) simply lacks the capacity to stage a military attack against Iran with impunity.

Finally, at least for the present, the Obama administration is not allowing itself to be held hostage by the US’ Gulf Arab allies – Saudi Arabia, in particular – and has not embarked on a direct confrontation with the Syrian regime (which would upset the apple cart.) See an excellent round-up of the overall state of play by the International Crisis Group’s Iran Senior Analyst Ali Vaez.
Some of this may have begun rubbing on the US Congress, which, according to conventional wisdom, is under the Israeli thumb and/or is itching to somehow deny President Barack Obama a historic foreign-policy legacy"

More at:

Iran nuclear deal within grasp ? Indian Punchline

**harrybarracuda** · 19-12-2014, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Nathan Napalm

^Are your parents related Harry?

Do you know who yours are Albert?

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