Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Looking at the recent announcements regarding the possible stationing of NATO weapons in eastern Europe one wonders who in the west Putin and Lavrov would consider talking too.

The EU countries are US stooges, the US has nobody of authority who isn't a liar.

Any of the military leaders can say all they want as it's the politicians who carry the can.

The worsening economic climate in the western countries are the reasons for this farce.

Actually I can understand why formerly occupied European countries would like a little deterrent to stop Putin getting ideas.

The US can do it because Putin can't threaten to cut their O&G off.

Putin says that in 2015 Russia will add more than 40 IBMs to its nuclear arsenal - weapons that will be able to overcome even the most advanced anti-missile defence systems.

Putin: Russia to boost nuclear arsenal with 40 missiles - BBC News

Don't mess with Vlad!

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Yes that, and including Russian provocation in airspace in europe that started before crimea thing. Putin wants to show Russia is a superpower, perhaps only to domestic audience.

Also the NATO Jets fly without transponder
NATO have often castigated Russia that they are flying without transponders. Now, they have to admit that the senders of their own machines are sometimes switched off as well.

Nato-Kampfjets fliegen ebenfalls ohne Transponder - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

would think it's the "worsening economic climate.

is this what they call a 'pincer movement'
with the build-up of heavy weapons on the border countries.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

US/UK/AUS/NZ etc (who have military superiority anyway) will defend NATO allies in Baltic states even if europeans cave in under russian pressure.

A missile or two over any NATO country will focus NATOs mind. Do the NATO countries want a nuclear exchange/war because of Ukraine?

Originally Posted by Neo

Errrr... armaments..?

All those greenbacks won't amount to a hill of shit if the human race is reduced to a heap of irradiated ash.

Russia Denies That Its Soldiers Are in Ukraine, But We Tracked One There Using His Selfies



ccording to Vladimir Putin, there are no Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine. The Russian government draws a distinction between what it calls volunteers from Russia — fighters with military experience who are not currently enlisted in the Russian armed forces but are fighting in Ukraine by choice — and active servicemen who could only be in Ukraine if the Russian military ordered them to go.
It's an important distinction for the Russian government for a couple of reasons. First of all, Russia's Federation Council, an otherwise powerless chamber of parliament, would have to approve a military intervention in Ukraine. It hasn't.
Secondly, by refusing to admit that it has a direct role in the conflict, the Kremlin can and does regularly claim that Western economic sanctions against Russia are unprovoked and aggressive — and most Russians believe this. It would be much harder for Putin to blame his country's economic problems on the West if it were clear that his government is engaged in an unprovoked aggressive war against its neighbor.
Russia's annexation of the Ukrainian region of Crimea last year was popular. Putin's approval ratings got a big boost. The small victories and territorial gains for the pro-Russia forces in the towns and villages of eastern Ukraine have meanwhile sustained a feedback loop of pride and patriotism in Russia that continues to strengthen him at home.


But the truth is that the evidence for Russia's active role in the war in Ukraine is everywhere — on the ground in Ukraine's east, which has been littered with the bodies of Russian citizens and Russian weapons, and on the internet, where thousands of photographs of Russia's military intervention in Ukraine have been posted, often by Russian soldiers themselves.

(Photo by Mikhail Galustov/VICE News)
These soldiers are no different than young adults in the rest of the world, documenting their lives with copious amounts of selfies or vanity shots in Rambo poses that they circulate widely on social media.
Anyone following the Ukrainian conflict on Facebook or Twitter is inundated with a daily dose of screen grabs of such posts, which appear to show both Ukrainian and pro-Russia fighters in eastern Ukraine. These screen grabs get posted with tongue-in-cheek captions like "Russian soldier lost his way and ended up in Ukraine," or, "Ukrainian fascists at it again."
The problem is that a lot of the time the captions aren't accurate and the photos are of something completely different. The picture of the Russian soldier allegedly lost in Ukraine? It's actually a photo taken in Georgia in 2008. The Ukrainian fascist? A neo-Nazi from a suburb of Moscow.

The trickery is such that many people end up not believing anything that comes up in their newsfeed. And with so many fakes floating around, why should they?
Luckily there are people out there who go out of their way to verify these photos, like citizen journalists Eliot Higgins and Aric Toler. They were both enlisted by the Atlantic Council — a non-partisan think tank in Washington, DC, that promotes relations between the US and Europe — to help produce a report using open source information to investigate web posts and track Russian military activity in Ukraine. The 33-page report, Hiding in Plain Sight, shows the extent of Russia's involvement by verifying the location of photos of Russian soldiers and equipment by extrapolating from data that is openly available to anyone.
The Kremlin-run media, no surprise, were unimpressed. One fully state-funded outlet, Sputnik News, questioned the objectivity of the Atlantic Council's report, saying, "it's hard to imagine that the think tank doesn't have some form of an agenda, especially when it comes to Russia."
So VICE News decided to try verifying some of the report's findings on its own.



We tracked one soldier who we knew to be currently enlisted in the Russian army, an ethnic Buryat named Bato Dambaev from an area of Russia's Siberian region that borders Mongolia. Dambaev had posted a number of photos of himself in his Russian army uniform on the VK social network, which is basically a Russian Facebook clone.
The difference between our investigation and the Atlantic Council's methodology was that we actually went to the places where the photos had been taken to verify that they were real instead of relying solely on the metadata embedded in the photo files or on visual elements in the photos themselves. We then took our own snapshots in the exact same places to make it easy for anyone to see that we had been to the same places as Dambaev.
We traced his journey 4000 miles from Siberia to the border of Ukraine, where thousands of Russian troops are massed for what the Russian government has for the past year characterized as "military exercises."
Then we traveled into the conflict zone itself to try to locate the site of the key bit of evidence that placed Dambaev in Ukraine: a snapshot taken at a checkpoint of him wearing a non-standard uniform with a white armband but no Russian insignia — attire typical of a volunteer in the pro-Russia rebel forces.
Taken on its own, the photograph of a soldier of Asian appearance standing on some sandbags posing with a rifle in his hand doesn't appear to indicate much.
But if you know, as we discovered, that the picture was taken last February in a town just a few miles down the road from Debaltseve in eastern Ukraine, where pro-Russia forces achieved a major victory, you start to understand how direct Russian involvement in the conflict has been essential to the armed pro-Russia movement's survival over the past year — and just how readily apparent Russia's part in the fighting really is.






https://news.vice.com/article/russia...rce=vicenewsfb

So Russia denies that it's soldierS, plural, as in an army or something of substance and somebody produces one person who likes to take photos of himself and post them on a media site.

That's some army, does he/she take on the whole of the Ukrainian army, navy and airforce all by him/herself?

Clutching at straws springs to mind.

Originally Posted by OhOh

So Russia denies that it's soldierS, plural, as in an army or something of substance and somebody produces one person who likes to take photos of himself and post them on a media site.

That's some army, does he/she take on the whole of the Ukrainian army, navy and airforce all by him/herself?

Clutching at straws springs to mind.

Clutching at straws in this scenario is believing everything that wanker Putin tells you without ever questioning it.

It appears there are foreign 'volunteers' fighting on both sides.

Has Blackwater been deployed to Ukraine? Notorious U.S. mercenaries 'seen on the streets of flashpoint city' as Russia claims 300 hired guns have arrived in country


Read more: Are 'Blackwater' now active in Ukraine? Videos spark talk that U.S. mercenary outfit has been deployed to Donetsk | Daily Mail Online

Speculation was growing last night that American mercenaries had been deployed to Donetsk after videos emerged of unidentified armed men in the streets of the eastern Ukrainian city.
At least two videos published on YouTube earlier this week show burly, heavily armed soldiers with no insignia in the city, which has been gripped by pro-Moscow protests.
In one of the videos onlookers can be heard shouting 'Blackwater! Blackwater!' as the armed men, who wear no insignia, jog through the streets

Canada to send military instructors to Ukraine


The Associated Press
Published: June 6, 2015

KIEV, Ukraine — Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper says the country soon will send military instructors to Ukraine to help train government troops.While in Kiev en route to the Group of Seven summit, Harper said the instructors would work in western Ukraine.
That is far away from where Ukrainian forces and Russian-backed separatist rebels have been fighting since April 2014. But the move is likely to bring criticism from Russia and the rebels, as did similar training by U.S. forces.

Canada to send military instructors to Ukraine - Americas - Stripes

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Has Blackwater been deployed to Ukraine? Notorious U.S. mercenaries 'seen on the streets of flashpoint city' as Russia claims 300 hired guns have arrived in country


Read more: Are 'Blackwater' now active in Ukraine? Videos spark talk that U.S. mercenary outfit has been deployed to Donetsk | Daily Mail Online

Speculation was growing last night that American mercenaries had been deployed to Donetsk after videos emerged of unidentified armed men in the streets of the eastern Ukrainian city.
At least two videos published on YouTube earlier this week show burly, heavily armed soldiers with no insignia in the city, which has been gripped by pro-Moscow protests.
In one of the videos onlookers can be heard shouting 'Blackwater! Blackwater!' as the armed men, who wear no insignia, jog through the streets

The thickos that make this shit up are hilarious.

Blackwater ceased trading in 2009.

They decided there was too much stigma attached to the name.

They are called Academi now.

They should at least get the name right in their little fairy stories.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Clutching at straws in this scenario is believing everything that wanker Putin tells you without ever questioning it.

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I don't listen to everything he says when we chat during our nightcaps of honest Vodka



and Russian Imperial cigars.



Sometime my mind wanders over to his girlfriend. Luckily Putin has a red button he can press, connected to my chair, which keeps me focused.

The bastard's at it again. It looks like the Chinese organ harvesters really have taken his heart.




President Putin signs order to extend counter-sanctions for another year


"President Vladimir Putin has signed the order to extend Russian counter-measures in response to Western sanctions. They restrictions will be prolonged for a year starting from June 24, 2015.

"The government has addressed a letter to me asking to extend the measures that we had taken in response to the actions of our partners from several countries,” Putin said. “Today, in accordance with this letter, I have signed a decree on extending certain special economic measures in order to ensure the safety of the Russian Federation," he said asking the government to prepare and publish a corresponding decree as soon as possible.

The move comes in response to the EU decision on Monday to extend sanctions against Russia for six months. They were first imposed on August 1, 2014 over the events in Ukraine and the reunification with Crimea. Russia responded on August 7 when Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree to ban imports of beef, pork, poultry meat, fish, cheese, milk, vegetables and fruit from Australia, Canada, the EU, the US and Norway.

President Vladimir Putin has signed the order to extend Russian counter-measures in response to Western sanctions. They restrictions will be prolonged for a year starting from June 24, 2015."

has anyone mentioned the $50 billion awarded to Yukos against russia ?

apparently during the last week several Euro Govts have been freezing russian govt bank accounts - embassy etc

France, Belgium seize Russian assets to compensate Yukos shareholders | EurActiv

There are also reports of them "releasing" the said seized assets.

Originally Posted by OhOh

There are also reports of them "releasing" the said seized assets.

Well show us them then.

Originally Posted by baldrick

has anyone mentioned the $50 billion awarded to Yukos against russia ?

apparently during the last week several Euro Govts have been freezing russian govt bank accounts - embassy etc

France, Belgium seize Russian assets to compensate Yukos shareholders | EurActiv

Hardly surprising that in countries in the west owned outright by banksters that the corrupt court system also owned by them would find that they are owed 50b dollars.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Well show us them then.

Here you are Mr Doubting Thomas.

Belgium to unblock frozen Russian diplomatic accounts: FM - Business Insider

"Belgium to unblock frozen Russian diplomatic accounts: FM

• AFP

• Jun. 20, 2015, 2:53 PM

Brussels (AFP) - Belgium will unblock Russian embassy accounts that had been frozen over legal claims by shareholders of former oil company Yukos, the EU country's foreign minister said Saturday, after Moscow vowed retaliation.
"A solution has been found to unblock as a priority accounts for the running of the embassies, and the rest will follow," a ministry spokesman told AFP, quoting Foreign Minister Didier Reynders."

Is there a "How dangerous is Victoria Nuland and her fellow fascist neocon warmongering scum bag feckers" thread?

Remember my prediction at the start of the year that the US would start a nuclear war to prevent the collapse of the US Dollar? Reminded me of that song "They all laughed at Christopher Columbus when he said the world was round...." yeah that one, and here we are 6 months in and the US are about to put its nukes all over Russias border, in the UK, the media at fever pitch falsely blaming Putin for everything wrong in the world "Charleston Shooting! Putin gave the order" says uber slag Rachel Maddow will be the next headline I suppose for the brain dead fools to slurp up with their gmo coffee this morning. War criminal and evil terrorist brzezinski's daughter telling the world that Putin is causing the Sydney Opera house to degrade in long term plan to kill some aussies perhaps?

I am amazed that normal people in the street are still buying into the victimization of Russia to stoke WW3. Are they all insane? Putin is no saint, but he has not gone around attacking other countries, killing millions, causing world debt and poverty, so is no where near as dangerous as the mad men in the upper elite of the UK and US who are all running off to hideouts in New Zealand thinking they can sit out the nuclear holocaust they are forcing and not realizing that as soon as they reappear they will be hunted and gutted like the pigs they are.

Us here in Thailand, a country of no significance at all, will likely be spared the brunt of it. However, all of our families around the west will not. So how about next time you see an article made up to stir the propaganda for support for a nuclear attack on Russia, you laugh at it, see it for what it is, tell everyone you know its all horseshit, and remove the consent the people give through their ignorance to these psychopath puppet masters.

Oh and the only reason Putin is the designated demon is because unlike Yeltsin who was a drunk corrupt US aid who financially destroyed Russia, Putin is putting his electorate first rather than the will of the banksters and the elite and they don't like that. they can not have any other power that stops they global domination which is why their media is informing you all that he is the bad guy.

Putins approval rating - 89%
Putin?s approval ratings hit 89 percent, the highest they?ve ever been - The Washington Post

Obama 42%

Quinnipiac Poll: President Obama Sits at 42% Approval Rating | PoliticsPA

Cameron is a traitor and will be up on charges of treason soon the way he is carrying on. I bet his and obombas approval rating of the banksters is sky high though! Because they represent them, and Putin represents Russian People.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Remember my prediction at the start of the year ?

Who are you..?