Actually I can understand why formerly occupied European countries would like a little deterrent to stop Putin getting ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
The US can do it because Putin can't threaten to cut their O&G off.
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Actually I can understand why formerly occupied European countries would like a little deterrent to stop Putin getting ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
The US can do it because Putin can't threaten to cut their O&G off.
In current situation, NATO has a good reason to bring personnel and equipment closer to the border.
US/UK/AUS/NZ etc (who have military superiority anyway) will defend NATO allies in Baltic states even if europeans cave in under russian pressure.
I would think it's the "worsening economic climate " in Russia behind this increasing provocation by russia.
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Originally Posted by OhOh
Putin says that in 2015 Russia will add more than 40 IBMs to its nuclear arsenal - weapons that will be able to overcome even the most advanced anti-missile defence systems.
Putin: Russia to boost nuclear arsenal with 40 missiles - BBC News
Don't mess with Vlad!
Also the NATO Jets fly without transponderQuote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
NATO have often castigated Russia that they are flying without transponders. Now, they have to admit that the senders of their own machines are sometimes switched off as well.
Nato-Kampfjets fliegen ebenfalls ohne Transponder - SPIEGEL ONLINE
is this what they call a 'pincer movement'Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
with the build-up of heavy weapons on the border countries.
A missile or two over any NATO country will focus NATOs mind. Do the NATO countries want a nuclear exchange/war because of Ukraine?Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
All those greenbacks won't amount to a hill of shit if the human race is reduced to a heap of irradiated ash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo
Although it is speciffically agreed between Russia and NATO that it will not be allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
"In addition, in the negotiations on the adaptation of the CFE Treaty, the member States of NATO and Russia will, together with other States Parties, seek to strengthen stability by further developing measures to prevent any potentially threatening build-up of conventional forces in agreed regions of Europe, to include Central and Eastern Europe."
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/of...exts_25468.htm
But hey what's a formal treaty signed with NATO worth?
"Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security between NATO and the Russian Federation signed in Paris, France"
"The North Atlantic Treaty Organization and its member States, on the one hand, and the Russian Federation, on the other hand, hereinafter referred to as NATO and Russia, based on an enduring political commitment undertaken at the highest political level, will build together a lasting and inclusive peace in the Euro-Atlantic area on the principles of democracy and cooperative security."
Russia Denies That Its Soldiers Are in Ukraine, But We Tracked One There Using His Selfies
ccording to Vladimir Putin, there are no Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine. The Russian government draws a distinction between what it calls volunteers from Russia — fighters with military experience who are not currently enlisted in the Russian armed forces but are fighting in Ukraine by choice — and active servicemen who could only be in Ukraine if the Russian military ordered them to go.
It's an important distinction for the Russian government for a couple of reasons. First of all, Russia's Federation Council, an otherwise powerless chamber of parliament, would have to approve a military intervention in Ukraine. It hasn't.
Secondly, by refusing to admit that it has a direct role in the conflict, the Kremlin can and does regularly claim that Western economic sanctions against Russia are unprovoked and aggressive — and most Russians believe this. It would be much harder for Putin to blame his country's economic problems on the West if it were clear that his government is engaged in an unprovoked aggressive war against its neighbor.
Russia's annexation of the Ukrainian region of Crimea last year was popular. Putin's approval ratings got a big boost. The small victories and territorial gains for the pro-Russia forces in the towns and villages of eastern Ukraine have meanwhile sustained a feedback loop of pride and patriotism in Russia that continues to strengthen him at home.
But the truth is that the evidence for Russia's active role in the war in Ukraine is everywhere — on the ground in Ukraine's east, which has been littered with the bodies of Russian citizens and Russian weapons, and on the internet, where thousands of photographs of Russia's military intervention in Ukraine have been posted, often by Russian soldiers themselves.
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(Photo by Mikhail Galustov/VICE News)
These soldiers are no different than young adults in the rest of the world, documenting their lives with copious amounts of selfies or vanity shots in Rambo poses that they circulate widely on social media.
Anyone following the Ukrainian conflict on Facebook or Twitter is inundated with a daily dose of screen grabs of such posts, which appear to show both Ukrainian and pro-Russia fighters in eastern Ukraine. These screen grabs get posted with tongue-in-cheek captions like "Russian soldier lost his way and ended up in Ukraine," or, "Ukrainian fascists at it again."
The problem is that a lot of the time the captions aren't accurate and the photos are of something completely different. The picture of the Russian soldier allegedly lost in Ukraine? It's actually a photo taken in Georgia in 2008. The Ukrainian fascist? A neo-Nazi from a suburb of Moscow.
The trickery is such that many people end up not believing anything that comes up in their newsfeed. And with so many fakes floating around, why should they?
Luckily there are people out there who go out of their way to verify these photos, like citizen journalists Eliot Higgins and Aric Toler. They were both enlisted by the Atlantic Council — a non-partisan think tank in Washington, DC, that promotes relations between the US and Europe — to help produce a report using open source information to investigate web posts and track Russian military activity in Ukraine. The 33-page report, Hiding in Plain Sight, shows the extent of Russia's involvement by verifying the location of photos of Russian soldiers and equipment by extrapolating from data that is openly available to anyone.
The Kremlin-run media, no surprise, were unimpressed. One fully state-funded outlet, Sputnik News, questioned the objectivity of the Atlantic Council's report, saying, "it's hard to imagine that the think tank doesn't have some form of an agenda, especially when it comes to Russia."
So VICE News decided to try verifying some of the report's findings on its own.
We tracked one soldier who we knew to be currently enlisted in the Russian army, an ethnic Buryat named Bato Dambaev from an area of Russia's Siberian region that borders Mongolia. Dambaev had posted a number of photos of himself in his Russian army uniform on the VK social network, which is basically a Russian Facebook clone.
The difference between our investigation and the Atlantic Council's methodology was that we actually went to the places where the photos had been taken to verify that they were real instead of relying solely on the metadata embedded in the photo files or on visual elements in the photos themselves. We then took our own snapshots in the exact same places to make it easy for anyone to see that we had been to the same places as Dambaev.
We traced his journey 4000 miles from Siberia to the border of Ukraine, where thousands of Russian troops are massed for what the Russian government has for the past year characterized as "military exercises."
Then we traveled into the conflict zone itself to try to locate the site of the key bit of evidence that placed Dambaev in Ukraine: a snapshot taken at a checkpoint of him wearing a non-standard uniform with a white armband but no Russian insignia — attire typical of a volunteer in the pro-Russia rebel forces.
Taken on its own, the photograph of a soldier of Asian appearance standing on some sandbags posing with a rifle in his hand doesn't appear to indicate much.
But if you know, as we discovered, that the picture was taken last February in a town just a few miles down the road from Debaltseve in eastern Ukraine, where pro-Russia forces achieved a major victory, you start to understand how direct Russian involvement in the conflict has been essential to the armed pro-Russia movement's survival over the past year — and just how readily apparent Russia's part in the fighting really is.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zssIFN2mso
https://news.vice.com/article/russia...rce=vicenewsfb
So Russia denies that it's soldierS, plural, as in an army or something of substance and somebody produces one person who likes to take photos of himself and post them on a media site.
That's some army, does he/she take on the whole of the Ukrainian army, navy and airforce all by him/herself?
Clutching at straws springs to mind.
Clutching at straws in this scenario is believing everything that wanker Putin tells you without ever questioning it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
It appears there are foreign 'volunteers' fighting on both sides.
Has Blackwater been deployed to Ukraine? Notorious U.S. mercenaries 'seen on the streets of flashpoint city' as Russia claims 300 hired guns have arrived in country
Read more: Are 'Blackwater' now active in Ukraine? Videos spark talk that U.S. mercenary outfit has been deployed to Donetsk | Daily Mail Online
Speculation was growing last night that American mercenaries had been deployed to Donetsk after videos emerged of unidentified armed men in the streets of the eastern Ukrainian city.
At least two videos published on YouTube earlier this week show burly, heavily armed soldiers with no insignia in the city, which has been gripped by pro-Moscow protests.
In one of the videos onlookers can be heard shouting 'Blackwater! Blackwater!' as the armed men, who wear no insignia, jog through the streets
Canada to send military instructors to Ukraine
The Associated Press
Published: June 6, 2015
KIEV, Ukraine — Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper says the country soon will send military instructors to Ukraine to help train government troops.While in Kiev en route to the Group of Seven summit, Harper said the instructors would work in western Ukraine.
That is far away from where Ukrainian forces and Russian-backed separatist rebels have been fighting since April 2014. But the move is likely to bring criticism from Russia and the rebels, as did similar training by U.S. forces.
Canada to send military instructors to Ukraine - Americas - Stripes
The thickos that make this shit up are hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
Blackwater ceased trading in 2009.
They decided there was too much stigma attached to the name.
They are called Academi now.
They should at least get the name right in their little fairy stories.
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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
I don't listen to everything he says when we chat during our nightcaps of honest Vodka
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and Russian Imperial cigars.
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Sometime my mind wanders over to his girlfriend. Luckily Putin has a red button he can press, connected to my chair, which keeps me focused.:)
The bastard's at it again. It looks like the Chinese organ harvesters really have taken his heart. :)
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President Putin signs order to extend counter-sanctions for another year
"President Vladimir Putin has signed the order to extend Russian counter-measures in response to Western sanctions. They restrictions will be prolonged for a year starting from June 24, 2015.
"The government has addressed a letter to me asking to extend the measures that we had taken in response to the actions of our partners from several countries,” Putin said. “Today, in accordance with this letter, I have signed a decree on extending certain special economic measures in order to ensure the safety of the Russian Federation," he said asking the government to prepare and publish a corresponding decree as soon as possible.
The move comes in response to the EU decision on Monday to extend sanctions against Russia for six months. They were first imposed on August 1, 2014 over the events in Ukraine and the reunification with Crimea. Russia responded on August 7 when Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree to ban imports of beef, pork, poultry meat, fish, cheese, milk, vegetables and fruit from Australia, Canada, the EU, the US and Norway.
President Vladimir Putin has signed the order to extend Russian counter-measures in response to Western sanctions. They restrictions will be prolonged for a year starting from June 24, 2015."
has anyone mentioned the $50 billion awarded to Yukos against russia ?
apparently during the last week several Euro Govts have been freezing russian govt bank accounts - embassy etc
France, Belgium seize Russian assets to compensate Yukos shareholders | EurActiv
There are also reports of them "releasing" the said seized assets.
Well show us them then.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Hardly surprising that in countries in the west owned outright by banksters that the corrupt court system also owned by them would find that they are owed 50b dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by baldrick
Here you are Mr Doubting Thomas. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Belgium to unblock frozen Russian diplomatic accounts: FM - Business Insider
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- Jun. 20, 2015, 2:53 PM
Brussels (AFP) - Belgium will unblock Russian embassy accounts that had been frozen over legal claims by shareholders of former oil company Yukos, the EU country's foreign minister said Saturday, after Moscow vowed retaliation.
"A solution has been found to unblock as a priority accounts for the running of the embassies, and the rest will follow," a ministry spokesman told AFP, quoting Foreign Minister Didier Reynders."
Is there a "How dangerous is Victoria Nuland and her fellow fascist neocon warmongering scum bag feckers" thread?
Remember my prediction at the start of the year that the US would start a nuclear war to prevent the collapse of the US Dollar? Reminded me of that song "They all laughed at Christopher Columbus when he said the world was round...." yeah that one, and here we are 6 months in and the US are about to put its nukes all over Russias border, in the UK, the media at fever pitch falsely blaming Putin for everything wrong in the world "Charleston Shooting! Putin gave the order" says uber slag Rachel Maddow will be the next headline I suppose for the brain dead fools to slurp up with their gmo coffee this morning. War criminal and evil terrorist brzezinski's daughter telling the world that Putin is causing the Sydney Opera house to degrade in long term plan to kill some aussies perhaps?
I am amazed that normal people in the street are still buying into the victimization of Russia to stoke WW3. Are they all insane? Putin is no saint, but he has not gone around attacking other countries, killing millions, causing world debt and poverty, so is no where near as dangerous as the mad men in the upper elite of the UK and US who are all running off to hideouts in New Zealand thinking they can sit out the nuclear holocaust they are forcing and not realizing that as soon as they reappear they will be hunted and gutted like the pigs they are.
Us here in Thailand, a country of no significance at all, will likely be spared the brunt of it. However, all of our families around the west will not. So how about next time you see an article made up to stir the propaganda for support for a nuclear attack on Russia, you laugh at it, see it for what it is, tell everyone you know its all horseshit, and remove the consent the people give through their ignorance to these psychopath puppet masters.
Oh and the only reason Putin is the designated demon is because unlike Yeltsin who was a drunk corrupt US aid who financially destroyed Russia, Putin is putting his electorate first rather than the will of the banksters and the elite and they don't like that. they can not have any other power that stops they global domination which is why their media is informing you all that he is the bad guy.
Putins approval rating - 89%
Putin?s approval ratings hit 89 percent, the highest they?ve ever been - The Washington Post
Obama 42%
Quinnipiac Poll: President Obama Sits at 42% Approval Rating | PoliticsPA
Cameron is a traitor and will be up on charges of treason soon the way he is carrying on. I bet his and obombas approval rating of the banksters is sky high though! Because they represent them, and Putin represents Russian People.
^ It's unfair though that Russia has all the land, resources, people, fresh water and freedom........ said a government spokeswoman of an "exceptional" country.
A country's leader who wrestles with a troupe of pert, flexible, Russian gymnasts covered with some of that Japanese slippery stuff every afternoon at 2pm.
Oh the dreams I have.
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And as for the Russian Prime Minister Medvedev.
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If those aren't a pair of seductive eyes I am a Greek creditor. Look into my eyes, look into my eyes........
"Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has signed a decree to extend Russia’s embargo on food imports until August 5, 2016. The details of the extended ‘blacklist’ remained unchanged, he said.
"The list is no different, except for some positions. It includes the same livestock products, including meat of cattle, pigs, edible offal, fish and shellfish, milk and dairy products, vegetables, sausages and so on,” Medvedev said.
Countermeasures to Western sanctions were dictated not by political, but economic motives, he added."
Maybe that was a bit of miss-speaking. Oh how they pick up on these new fangled propaganda techniques.
Who are you..?Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
:dunno:
When he was just a little boy he asked his mother what he would be.
Will I be hansome?
Will I be rich?
Here's what she said to him.
Que sera sera.
To this day he hasn't learnt any Italian, so he is none the wiser.
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Originally Posted by pseudolus
This. I'm speechless. Do you think if these elites really wanted a nuclear war they would play games like this to...what? Convince the press, the people, the UN? If they wanted global nuclear annihilation it would have been done already, with no foreplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
What's going on is the same thing that has been going since nation states were created. Managing a sphere of influence amongst competing powers requires sabre rattling, diplomacy, alliances, and incentives. The rules don't change, only the folks playing. Nuclear war is a confession of defeat for all sides - game over. No one is choosing that.
yes - and you are still trippingQuote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
and would you have the satisfaction of saying " I told you so " ? :)
It is Spanish, not Italian.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Russia and Saudi Arabia: Tentative Partnership in the Making?
Russia and Saudi Arabia do not necessarily spring to mind when speaking about allies but a tentative partnership might be in the making as the world's top crude producers inked six deals in key spheres, including the defense and energy sectors.
The agreements were signed during the Saint Petersburg International Economic Forum by the high-ranking Saudi delegation, comprising Deputy Crown Prince and Defense Minister Muhammad bin Salman, Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir, Minister of Petroleum and Mineral Resources Ali al-Naimi and other senior officials.
Russian President Vladimir Putin's working trip to St. Petersburg
© SPUTNIK/ SERGEY GUNEEV
Putin and the Saudi Caravan
Rumors circulate that the oil kingdom wants to build 16 nuclear reactors, with Russia playing major part in operating them, according to the Saudi-owned al-Arabiya. But Moscow is not the only country Riyadh wants to foster nuclear cooperation with.
Saudi Arabia inked similar deals with Argentina, China, France, South Korea and the United States. Like Russia, all of these countries have the technology to construct nuclear reactors. But the choice of partners in itself is quite telling.
Saudi Arabia is apparently diversifying its portfolio of energy partners. Hence, Riyadh and Moscow also announced that they intend to revive the intergovernmental commission, which will deal with future energy projects.
The partnership could also help Russia get access to new energy technologies.
"Given that the US and EU sanctions limit the transfer of new oil and gas technology to Russian state oil firms, reports indicate that Russia could be seeking enhanced oil and gas recovery and advanced drilling technology from Saudi Arabia, especially for use in the older fields in West Siberia," Saudi Gazette reported.
The nascent ties between Russia and Saudi Arabia are an intriguing development since Moscow and Riyadh are bitter rivals when it comes to the competition in the global crude market.
The 2015 St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF)
© SPUTNIK/ ILIYA PITALEV
St. Petersburg Forum Sees Russia Give Birth to New World Ordering – Engdahl
Russia's oil output of 10.78 million barrels per day in May has almost reached a historic high for the country. Saudi Arabia is producing as much (10.3 million bpd as of May). Many say this is not the limit for both nations.
The countries are primarily fighting for China's lucrative market, the largest worldwide.
"In the race to grab a significant share in the Chinese crude market, at least for the time being, Moscow seems to have pipped Riyadh too," Saudi Gazette observed.
Incidentally, Moscow's decision to conclude deals in the Chinese yuan helped to make this happen.
Read more: Russia and Saudi Arabia: Tentative Partnership in the Making? / Sputnik International
Tis so, thanks. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Ukraine suspends Russian gas purchases
http://rt.com/business/270829-russia...e-no-gas-deal/
"Despite Kiev’s purchasing freeze, Russia will continue direct supplies of gas to Ukraine’s southeast, Novak said. It has been doing so since February, when Kiev claimed that it could no longer supply gas to the conflict-torn regions due to damaged pipelines. Gazprom insists that Kiev is still responsible for paying for the gas that goes to the southeast."
Ukraine suspends Russian gas purchases - BBC News
"Russian gas purchases have been suspended by Ukraine after a breakdown in talks aimed at keeping supplies running for three to six months.
The Ukrainian state energy company, Naftogaz, said it would continue transporting Russian gas supplies to other European customers."
I wonder what % of the gas entering the Ukraine actually exits on the western side.
The Russians are now pointing a more powerful weapon at the Fast Food coalition.
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http://rt.com/politics/272125-russia-fast-food-ban/
"Russian lawmakers are promising to draft a bill that would render it almost impossible to promote foodstuffs with high sugar, salt and saturated fat content, saying the move would help to encourage healthy food habits among the population.
MP Vasiliy Shestakov of the majority United Russia party has told the Kommersant Daily that in the near future he plans to draft several amendments to federal laws on advertising that would seriously restrict the advertising of sugar-containing sodas, sweets, margarine, potato chips, some types of sausages and many types of fast food.
The amendments would see fast food and alcohol ads as equal threats, Shestakov said in comments. He added that harmful fast food was a threat to the apparently healthy “national foods.”
No, that will hurt big business:rolleyes:. It will be good for peoples health, good for the countries health services and reduce government deficit growth.
What's not to like, except it being promoted by Russian politicians.:)
Those evil Russian. Banning cancer causing GMO food, water destroying fracking, american shite food, and trying to create an alternative to the US IMF death trap. Nasty Russians.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
^Despite all those "positives" you mentioned, still wouldn't want to live there.
U.S. has its problems but Russia is not exactly a beacon of light, either.
It was never on my list of places even to visit. But having read his speeches and listened to their current leader, if the Russians are all like him, god help the poodles of the west.
I don't want to live there either. However, I completely accept that the Russians can elect who ever they like and that person needs to represent their interests. With an 80% plus approval rating as conducted by western firms, Putin clearly is doing just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent_Smith
Still waiting for the pictures of the 20,000 russian troops in Ukraine by the way.
MEan while, here is the lovecrush of Nuland, the Nazis, crucifying an ethnic russian Ukrainian before burning him alive. Yes folks, US tax dollars fund this - you all should watch it so you know what your beloved leaders are doing. All you coonts talking iut up big wanting a war with Russia, and yet the wests hands are repulsively bloody with the crimes of these scum.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=201_1430111118
You need to click on the link as it is 18+ and you need to click to enter.
Not before the Malaysian Airplane "shooting down" report. They are holding the Russian invasion photos a videos in reserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
Idiots like yourself believe this nonsense. Those people are afraid or to drunk to speak the truth. Idiots like you still think that the election in Crimea was fair. There was countless videos to prove that the people that even showed up at all were beaten and intimated.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
Been a while heh? :sexy:Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh