How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

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Originally Posted by BelAir

The outed and named pilot has since committed suicide

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And your evidence is a BBC statement.

:rofl:

From your BBC link:

"A Ukrainian military pilot blamed by Russia over the 2014 downing of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 has killed himself, Ukrainian media report, quoting police.

Capt Vladyslav Voloshyn had called the Russian allegation a lie. Dutch investigators concluded that a Russian Buk missile had destroyed the Boeing 777 jet, killing 298 people.

Reports say Voloshyn shot himself at home in Mykolaiv, near the Black Sea.

Ukraine described him as a war hero."

The BBC seem to be unaware that the reported proof is from Uke media, who quote Uke police. :rolleyes:

The BBC also seem to be unaware the other countries have/do own BUK missiles. Some including Ukraine, manufacture Buk missiles. The "Russian" missile shown as evidence, at the Dutch report event, was a 10+ years old model and was no longer in Russian military arsenal at the time of the plane cram due to all 10+ year old BUK missiles being scrapped/superceded by Russia.

However other countries are "highly likely" to utilise the old design and produce them, due to them not receiving newer models from Russia.

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Originally Posted by OhOh

And your evidence is a BBC statement.


From your BBC link:...

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I posted no "evidence" merely a link.


Here's a 'link' you may find interesting. Join a few historical dots and the anti-Putin / Russia hysteria & lies become clear...
Chubais ? The Next Neoliberal Head to Roll in Russia? | The Vineyard of the Saker

^The info will not be here accepted as the source is not a "recognizable media" (we haven't seen here this argument for long, have we?) :).

The history of the CIA meddling in and looting Russia during the Yeltsin period is not hidden and is easily searchable, it is Putin who banished the CIA and stopped the economic and political rape.


Consequently they've attacked him in every way possible but he stoicly toils on and has brought the country a prosperity previously unknown, the sanctions imposed have only made the Russians more resourceful and self sustaining. He has shown remarkable restraint and dignity, whereas lesser men would have taken the bait and bitten.


Nothing dangerous about Vladimir unless you believe the CIA mouthpieces, NYT/WaPo/Economist/CNN etc etc

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Originally Posted by BelAir

Nothing dangerous about Vladimir unless you believe the CIA mouthpieces, NYT/WaPo/Economist/CNN/'arry/MK etc etc

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You missed some so I added a couple more of the most strident here. :)

Oh dear MSM creaking at the seams.

DNC Backpedals After Cyberattack "Hack" Was Actually A Security "Test"

"The DNC has backpedaled on a report by CNN that a recent "sophisticated attempt to hack into its voter database" had been discovered by San Francisco-based cybersecurity firm Lookout - whose co-founder John Hering contributed $30,700 to the DNC in June of 2016, along with $2,700 to Hillary Clinton the same day. It's not Lookout's fault, however, as they were simply "looking out" for the Democratic National Committee when they discovered a "simulated phishing test" they assumed was real.

And in a massive breakdown in communication before verifying facts, the DNC contacted the FBI and CNN about the hack - before thinking to speak with the outside contractor which runs the voter database, NGP VAN."

More here:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-23/dnc-backpedals-after-hack-discovered-dnc-friendly-security-firm-was-false-alarm

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/22/politics/democratic-national-committee-voter-database/index.html

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Originally Posted by BelAir

The history of the CIA meddling in and looting Russia during the Yeltsin period is not hidden and is easily searchable, it is Putin who banished the CIA and stopped the economic and political rape.

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William Engdahl is one of the world’s top geopolitical analysts. His books – from Century of War to Full Spectrum Dominance – are absolutely essential to understand how the self-described exceptional nation created and expanded its global hegemony tentacles.
A measure of his influence is that as much as Engdahl may be dismissed or derided across the Beltway, the usual suspects do read him – and are incapable of finding conclusive arguments to prove him wrong.
This extensive interview by financial journalist Lars Schall is largely centered on Chapter 3 – The Rape of Russia – of Engdahl’s new book Manifest Destiny: Democracy as Cognitive Dissonance.
Here you will find all you need to know about the genesis of the 1990s Russian oligarchs; the dirty deals of the Yeltsin mafia; everything from the plunder of Soviet gold to the dodgy operations of the elder Bush’s brother; the incredible Yamashita gold story; the “privatization coupon” scam; the way the Harvard mafia run the Russian economy – all the way to Putin’s uphill battle throughout the 2000s to turn Russia into a functioning economy as NATO kept marching east.
As Engdahl notes, if we don’t understand what happened in Russia in the 1990s it’s absolutely impossible to contextualize the neocons and US Think Tankland’s deep hatred and 24/7 demonization campaign of Putin’s Russia.
So sit back, relax, enjoy the crash course and keep it as an essential reference you will find nowhere else.

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https://thesaker.is/the-rape-of-russ...ive-interview/

https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2018/08/239.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLVypNN4fHU

An excellent and important historical link ..& post.




Thankyou SKkin

"Do not speak ill of the dead"

Even the dangerous Mr. Putin about John McCain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le7fv_9TfcE

From the OP, March 2014.

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Originally Posted by Looper

Territorial acquisition is a dangerous game to start playing. The world has moved on from the age of annexation and invasion.

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There is now presented evidence that the west has been lying all the time.

During the investigation Ukraine stated:

"In 2015, the Ukrainian authorities said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces could not bring down the Malaysian Boeing because of the lack of Buks. However, last weekend the Ukrainian Buk SAM launcher crashed into the wall of a shopping center in Kiev in preparation for the parade.

The fact that the Ukrainian authorities are lying like they breathe is not news for a long time. Remember that one of the officials said 3 years ago, when Russia was charged with the destruction of the flight MH-17?

Adviser to the President of Ukraine, Igor Smeshko, at a conference on security in Brussels said that Ukraine sold the last missile complex Buk to Georgia long before the plane crash in Donbass, Interfax-Ukraine reported.
I quote, “As far as I know, Ukraine sold the last Buk to Georgia,” he said."

However, what was it that hit the wall of the shopping center in the Ukrainian capital on August 18 2018?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=0Y2_tQb-5Ak

More at:

?Non-Existent? Ukrainian Buk Got Into An Accident In Kiev (Ruslan Ostashko) | The Vineyard of the Saker

Vlad The Prevailer...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=PqcEU1tMT2U

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Originally Posted by BelAir

An excellent and important historical link ..& post.




Thankyou SKkin

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You're welcome...I'm surprised that it hasn't been deleted. Some of my posts on the subject of John McCain seem to have disappeared.

Imagine that...:rolleyes:

Edit: That is a very interesting interview with Engdahl.

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Originally Posted by BelAir

Vlad The Prevailer...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_co...&v=PqcEU1tMT2U

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Here ya go...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqcEU1tMT2U

I am not sure, where are all his security guards. That boat had no helicopters buzzing around dipping their sonar for submarines. Where is the guy carrying the nuclear button bag?

Surely no self respecting world leader does such irresponsible things?

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Originally Posted by SKkin

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Edit: That is a very interesting interview with Engdahl.

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Yes nicely detailed - with the usual suspects. He took the word 'rape' right out of my mouth/keyboard.






Too bad others don't have the attention span for this.

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Originally Posted by OhOh

I am not sure, where are all his security guards. That boat had no helicopters buzzing around dipping their sonar for submarines. Where is the guy carrying the nuclear button bag?

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..Behind the camera keeping a hungry eye on the coffee and donuts

He's dangerous if you dare to protest about your pension being robbed by him, apparently.

1,000 arrested for calling Putin the thief, er "Putin the thief".

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The demonstrators, predominantly people in their 20s and decades away from retirement, chanted "Russia without Putin" and held signs with messages such as "Putin, when will you go on pension?"


They later marched toward Red Square and the Kremlin, chanting "Down with the czar!" as they passed the building of the Federation Council, the upper house of parliament, and leisurely Muscovites enjoying a hot afternoon.

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Popular opposition leader Yevgeny Roizman, who is a former mayor of Yekaterinburg, said on Twitter that a younger generation took the lead because middle-aged Russians were too scared to protest.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/p...russia-n908006

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What Harry "forgot" to quote (he has been dreaming about such eligibility age for pension, however, in vain):

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The plan calls for the eligibility age for retirement pensions to be raised by five years, to 65 for men and 60 for women. Opposition to it spans the political spectrum.

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In fact, who wouldn't be moved to tears over such "dumbfounded" woman:

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Factory worker Olga Sokolova, 52, said she was "dumbfounded" when the proposal was introduced in June because she had hoped to retire from her physically taxing job at age 55.

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For the time being just likely...

U.S. officials suspect Russia in mystery 'attacks' on diplomats in Cuba, China

The strong suspicion that Russia was behind the alleged attacks is backed by signals intelligence, meaning intercepted communications, say U.S. officials.

WASHINGTON — Intelligence agencies investigating mysterious "attacks" that led to brain injuries in U.S. personnel in Cuba and China consider Russia to be the main suspect, three U.S. officials and two others briefed on the investigation tell NBC News.

The suspicion that Russia is likely behind the alleged attacks is backed up by evidence from communications intercepts, known in the spy world as signals intelligence, amassed during a lengthy and ongoing investigation involving the FBI, the CIA and other U.S. agencies. The officials declined to elaborate on the nature of the intelligence.

The evidence is not yet conclusive enough, however, for the U.S. to formally assign blame to Moscow for incidents that started in late 2016 and have continued in 2018, causing a major rupture in U.S.-Cuba relations.

Since last year, the U.S. military has been working to reverse-engineer the weapon or weapons used to harm the diplomats, according to Trump administration officials, congressional aides and others briefed on the investigation, including by testing various devices on animals. As part of that effort, the U.S. has turned to the Air Force and its directed energy research program at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico, where the military has giant lasers and advanced laboratories to test high-power electromagnetic weapons, including microwaves.

Although the U.S. believes sophisticated microwaves or another type of electromagnetic weapon were likely used on the U.S. government workers, they are also exploring the possibility that one or more additional technologies were also used, possibly in conjunction with microwaves, officials and others involved in the government's investigation say.

The U.S. has said 26 government workers were injured in unexplained attacks at their homes and hotels in Havana starting in late 2016, causing brain injuries, hearing loss and problems with cognition, balance, vision and hearing problems. Strange sounds heard by the workers initially led investigators to suspect a sonic weapon, but the FBI later determined sound waves by themselves couldn't have caused the injuries.

This year, one U.S. worker in China was diagnosed with similar symptoms after hearing bizarre sounds in Guangzhou, and more from China are being tested.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latin-a...-china-n908141

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

1,000 arrested for calling Putin the thief, er "Putin the thief

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1,000 people arrested, spread over 12 time zones, in a country of 6,700,000 million square mile (the largest country in the world) and with 147,000,000 citizens.

Mountains and microbes spring to mind.

Arrested for not following agreed demonstration laws in Russia. As in many countries around the world, those that wish to "demonstrate" are required to obtain a permit from the police/courts and follow any agreed rules/routes.

As we are all aware some police shoot to kill for failing to stop walking, some push people over and kill them, some are kettled and denied their human rights, some are removed from buses on their way to a legally arranged demonstration and some men, women and children are massacred by military snipers.

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

that a younger generation took the lead because middle-aged Russians were too scared to protest.

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Possibly the older people are aware of their very difficult lives over the past few decades and realise whatever the future brings, is far better than their own parents had.

The miniscule number of "youngsters" have no idea of hard times previous generations endured.

A reasonably, educated, perspective is required methinks. "Apparently" your source and yourself have neither.

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Originally Posted by OhOh

As in many countries around the world run by thieving dictators that don't want any opposition, those that wish to "demonstrate" are required to obtain a permit from the police/courts and follow any agreed rules/routes.

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FTFY.

Putin & Xi cook pancakes, devour them with Russian caviar and vodka

https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif

Chinese leader Xi Jinping was challenged to show his cooking skills by host Vladimir Putin, when the Russian president invited his guest to try a traditional dish: pancake with caviar chased down with a shot of vodka.
Xi is visiting Russia’s far eastern city of Vladivostok, where an international economic forum is taking place. Taking a break from talks, the Russian president and his Chinese counterpart put on aprons and each cooked a Russian-style pancake called ‘blin’.

Xi noticeably proved to be a more careful food craftsman, making a rounder piece of pastry. The two leaders then consumed their creations the Russian way: wrapping some caviar in them and eating them with a shot of vodka.
https://www.rt.com/news/438174-putin-xi-caviar-vodka/

Perhaps these are the Harry's waffles?

However, what it is against the best chocolate cake in the world served in Florida?

17 years after 9/11, Al-Qaeda rebranded by US government & media as besieged rebels


"Seventeen years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the US government and media outlets have decided that Al-Qaeda is now a rebel group worthy of our sympathy. The cynical narrative change is par for the course, experts told RT.
As somber newspaper headlines mark the anniversary of the devastating attacks, some commentators have pointed out that the terrorist group accused of murdering 3,000 Americans seventeen years ago is now occupying northeastern Syria – with the US threatening to take military action if the "rebels" are evicted from the region by the Syrian army and its allies.

The United States has spent an estimated $1.5 trillion on its Global War Against Terrorism, launched in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, but the United States now seems to find itself providing diplomatic cover – not to mention excellent press – to the terrorists that it once vowed to eradicate."

Continues at:

https://www.rt.com/usa/438209-us-911-idlib-al-qaeda-rebels/


https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=19777&stc=1

Even voted in favour of UNSC resolutions!

One wonders if these proven throat slitting terrorists are such "all right, upstanding, democratically educated citizens" why ameristan and it's vassals don't offer to fly them to their own countries. I'm certain they would fit right in with the locals. They would of course require western standard wages, human rights, freedom of political and religious expression, some land for their goats etc.

It would be a win/win event. ameristan and it's vassals get model citizens with the correct ethics. The throat slitting terrorists, spread out in Washington State, Texas, NY city, UK Midlands, Parisian suburbs, Dutch suburbs, Saudi deserts, Israeli newly cleared "homelands", Australian cities and NZ sheep farms will be made extremely welcome. They will expand the shrinking workforce, produce plenty of new taxpayers to fund the countries expanding pensioners. ameristan and it's vassals can concentrate their 'defence of the worlds human rights" by continuing to bomb Asians, Africans, South Americans and Europeans. Until they also become "model citizens" in the western way.

Win/win for the Syrian citizens. Syria doesn't need to buy expensive chemical weapons and helicopters to drop them. It can deploy it's military to uncleansed areas.

Win/win for Russia who can assist in cleansing other polluted areas filled with "the wrong sort" of invaders and terrorists.

Win/win for China who can, after winning all the no-bid, for "national security reasons", redevelopment road, rail city, electricity ........contracts, open it's purse to rebuild the country and create another "moderately prosperous society".

Win/win for Iran, it can concentrate on her surrounding problems.

Win/win for Hezbollah, it can concentrate on protecting Lebanon form invasion from the south and defending it's skies.

It's on RT so it must be true.

:rolleyes:

^It's on RT, so it hasn't happened (it does not exist)...