Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

Misskit doesn't understand the difference between propaganda and news, makes c&p from NSA site claiming news is Russian propaganda.

Go back to bed Misskit, the NSA has it all figured out for you.

This isn't the News thread you dick.

Try again.

harry... you are Misskit's target audience

indeed

Well you are a bit dim, so it doesn't surprise me.

Why the dangerous MR. Putin does not care about America?
(like the American leaders care about Russia)

Putin on Trump: He is not my bride, and I’m not his groom
Wed Sep 6, 2017

Russian President Vladimir Putin has refused to comment on domestic American politics and to criticize his US counterpart, taking a jab at Donald Trump by saying “He is not my bride, and I’m not his groom.”

Putin made the remarks at a news conference on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in China on Tuesday, answering a question whether the Russian leader was “disappointed” in Trump and in the improvement of Moscow-Washington relations amid a simmering diplomatic feud between the two countries.

Dismissing the question as “very naive,” Putin chastised the reporter and said, "He is not my bride, neither am I his bride or groom," referring to the US president.

“Trump is guided by the national interests of his country, and I by mine. I very much hope that we will be able, as the current US president has said, to reach some compromise in resolving bilateral and international problems,” the Russian president added.

Putin also declined to comment on the prospect of the US president being impeached, saying it would be “absolutely wrong” to discuss US domestic politics.

“The Americans had the right to reduce the number of our diplomatic offices. It is another matter altogether that they have done this in way that was absolutely uncivil. This does not do reflect well on our American partners,” he said.

“It is difficult to talk to people who confuse Austria and Australia. But there is nothing we can do about this; this is the level of political culture among part of the American establishment,” Putin noted.

Putin on Ukrainian conflict

At the Tuesday conference, Putin also warned the US against supplying weapons to Kiev, arguing that the decision would fuel the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

Putin said arming Ukraine will possibly prompt pro-Russia forces to expand their campaign, stressing that the move would not change the situation and would only add to the number of casualties.

Putin also said he would submit a draft resolution to the United Nations Security Council and propose the deployment of an international peacekeeping force in eastern Ukraine.

PressTV-Trump ?is not my bride, and I?m not his groom'

“It is difficult to talk to people who confuse Austria and Australia. But there is nothing we can do about this; this is the level of political culture among part of the American establishment,” Putin noted.

Putin also said he would submit a draft resolution to the United Nations Security Council and propose the deployment of an international peacekeeping force in eastern Ukraine.

Makes sense, de-escalation and dialogue is required, but no doubt the US will veto or abstain

Originally Posted by Neo

Makes sense, de-escalation and dialogue is required, but no doubt the US will veto or abstain

This is just Putins way to use the UN for stabilizing the gains he made through violence.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by Neo

Makes sense, de-escalation and dialogue is required, but no doubt the US will veto or abstain

This is just Putins way to use the UN for stabilizing the gains he made through violence.

That's why USA spent $5B to calm down the violence?
And now another generous $8B to Harvey...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Russian President Vladimir Putin has refused to comment on domestic American politics and to criticize his US counterpart, taking a jab at Donald Trump by saying “He is not my bride, and I’m not his groom.”

I truly have an abiding respect for those Russians. They are truly a "shoot-from-the-hips", no bullocks bunch of people, who definitely know the values of minding their own "regional" business!

Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Russian President Vladimir Putin has refused to comment on domestic American politics and to criticize his US counterpart, taking a jab at Donald Trump by saying “He is not my bride, and I’m not his groom.”

I truly have an abiding respect for those Russians. They are truly a "shoot-from-the-hips", no bullocks bunch of people, who definitely know the values of minding their own "regional" business!

I can't tell if you're just a gullible trumpanzee or just genuinely stupid anyway.

Vladimir Putin has mocked the state of US politics by joking that it is "difficult to have a dialogue with people who confuse Austria and Australia".

"There is nothing to do about it. Apparently that’s the level of political culture of a certain part of the American establishment," the Russian President said, according to state funded broadcaster, RT.

Putin on US administration: 'It?s difficult to talk with people who confuse Austria and Australia' | The Independent

Originally Posted by Takeovers

the gains he made through violence

Care to document "the gains" accomplished by illegal violence?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Takeovers

the gains he made through violence

Care to document "the gains" accomplished by illegal violence?

Invading Crimea. The Crimea they have ceded to Ukraine officially when they gave up the nuclear weapons deployed in their territory.

Don't come up with that absurd argument of a referendum that happened with arms trained at the opposition.

You're saying the referendum was held at gunpoint.? Where do you get that information.?

Originally Posted by Neo

You're saying the referendum was held at gunpoint.? Where do you get that information.?

Reality! They forced out the opposition. They did not let international monitoring in.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Takeovers

the gains he made through violence

Care to document "the gains" accomplished by illegal violence?

Invading Crimea. The Crimea they have ceded to Ukraine officially when they gave up the nuclear weapons deployed in their territory.

Don't come up with that absurd argument of a referendum that happened with arms trained at the opposition.

With "illegal violence"? This was discussed and referenced by number of links few pages back in this thread. There are so many links and many would like to find the "violence", however, in vain. Perhaps you can find one?

(Similarly, during Iraq invasion, when the Saddam's forces still had not been wiped out, it was claimed: behind every Saddam's soldier there is another soldier aiming a gun on his neck... )


Crimea has always been for centuries a part of Russia. As of "Crimea ceded to Ukraine":

The transfer of the Crimean Oblast to Ukraine (1954) has been described as a "symbolic gesture", marking the 300th anniversary of Ukraine becoming a part of the Tsardom of Russia. That "symbolic gesture" came out as a post factum and was never discussed as one of the reasons prior to the transfer. It was also attributed to Nikita Khrushchev, although the person who signed the document was Kliment Voroshilov.

Nina Khrushcheva, the political scientist and great-granddaughter of Nikita Khrushchev, the then General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union said of Khrushchev's motivation "it was somewhat symbolic, somewhat trying to reshuffle the centralized system and also, full disclosure, Nikita Khrushchev was very fond of Ukraine, so I think to some degree it was also a personal gesture toward his favorite republic. He was ethnically Russian, but he really felt great affinity with Ukraine."

Sergei Khrushchev, Khrushchev's son, claimed that the decision was due to the building of a hydro-electric dam on the Dnieper River and the consequent desire for all the administration to be under one body. Sevastopol in Crimea being the site of the Soviet Black Sea Fleet, a quintessential element of Russian and then of Soviet foreign policy, the transfer had the intended[citation needed] effect of binding Ukraine inexorably to Russia, "Eternally Together", as a poster commemorating the event of 1954 proclaimed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_transfer_of_Crimea

Says Crimea has always been a part of Russia.

Quotes wiki entry showing Russia ceded Crimea to the Ukraine.

What a dim fucker.

The real reason for giving it to them was to increase the Russian population in Ukraine.

The real reason for taking it back was to avoid having NATO troops controlling one side of the Kerch Strait.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by Neo

You're saying the referendum was held at gunpoint.? Where do you get that information.?

Reality! They forced out the opposition. They did not let international monitoring in.

135 international observers have arrived from 23 countries, including Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Latvia and Poland, Crimean authorities said. Among those monitoring the referendum are members of the EU and national European parliaments, international law experts and human rights activists.

No violations at the Crimea referendum have been reported by the international observers currently present in the republic.

“It’s all quiet so far,” Mateus Piskorkski, the leader of the European observers’ mission and Polish MP told Itar-Tass. “Our observers have not registered any violations of voting rules.”

Another observer, Ewald Stadler, member of the European Parliament, dispelled the “referendum at gunpoint” myth, by saying he felt people were free to make their choice.

“I haven’t seen anything even resembling pressure,” he said. “People themselves want to have their say.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/crimean...ervers/5373767

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Crimea has always been for centuries a part of Russia.

Except when it was part of Ukraine.

Annexing land from a country with no discussion, negotiation or compensation is an act of war no matter what kind of referendum lipstick you try to paint on it.

Just because the country you are thieving from is militarily incapable of standing up to you does not ameliorate the reprehensibility of the aggression.

If it had been 1914 who cares. But in 2014 it is a crime against the spirit of global civilisation.

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by Neo

You're saying the referendum was held at gunpoint.? Where do you get that information.?

Reality! They forced out the opposition. They did not let international monitoring in.

135 international observers have arrived from 23 countries, including Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Latvia and Poland, Crimean authorities said. Among those monitoring the referendum are members of the EU and national European parliaments, international law experts and human rights activists.

No violations at the Crimea referendum have been reported by the international observers currently present in the republic.

“It’s all quiet so far,” Mateus Piskorkski, the leader of the European observers’ mission and Polish MP told Itar-Tass. “Our observers have not registered any violations of voting rules.”

Another observer, Ewald Stadler, member of the European Parliament, dispelled the “referendum at gunpoint” myth, by saying he felt people were free to make their choice.

“I haven’t seen anything even resembling pressure,” he said. “People themselves want to have their say.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/crimean...ervers/5373767

That would have almost been believable if it hadn't come off that bullshit whackjob website.

In fact anyone, including the OCSE and at least one UN observer who didn't recognise the "Crimean government" were refused entry.

So all the "independent monitors" that the whackjobs describe were in fact friendlies deliberately invited to create the illusion of a fair referendum.

Bit pointless really, but you know these russkies, they have to win everything by 95+ per cent to try and prove they didn't fiddle things.

It's ok if the US does it...

But then came a few bumps in the road. The Obama administration cheered on a Nazi-spearheaded coup d’état in Kiev in early 2014 only to watch helplessly as Putin, under intense popular pressure, responded by detaching Crimea, which historically had been part of Russia and was home to the strategic Russian naval base at Sevastopol, and bringing it back into Russia.

The U.S. had done something similar six years earlier when it encouraged Kosovo to break away from Serbia. But, in regards to Ukraine, neocons invoked the 1938 Munich betrayal and compared the Crimea case to Hitler’s seizure of the Sudetenland.

quote from:

The Dangerous Decline of U.S. Hegemony
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/09/0...f-us-hegemony/

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The real reason for giving it to them was to increase the Russian population in Ukraine.

Whatever the "reason" it was a binding international agreement Russia entered on their own free will.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The real reason for taking it back was to avoid having NATO troops controlling one side of the Kerch Strait.

That is pure nonsense. NATO became an issue only after Russia started threatening Ukraine. After Russia tried to buy the Ukraine president to stop integration of Ukraine into the western economic sphere as wanted by a huge majority of the population, including those of russian origin.

I have to disagree with you, because you don't see the big picture.

Russia and the West sparring over the Ukraine had only one strategic issue for Russia: Sevastopol naval base.

By taking Crimea, they guarantee not only that they have access to it, but NATO doesn't.

And if NATO could have cut off the Strait, Rostov would have been taken out of the game, too.

It's why Russia have opened a new base at Novorossiysk.

I expect all of this is news to you, otherwise you wouldn't talk out of your arse.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Russia and the West sparring over the Ukraine had only one strategic issue for Russia: Sevastopol naval base.

By taking Crimea, they guarantee not only that they have access to it, but NATO doesn't.

And if NATO could have cut off the Strait, Rostov would have been taken out of the game, too.

It's why Russia have opened a new base at Novorossiysk.

I expect all of this is news to you, otherwise you wouldn't talk out of your arse.

All of this is obvious. But you forgot that Putin just wants to rebuild the lost Empire. He threatens all his neighbours, including the Baltic states. But the Baltic states are in NATO so riskier to attack.

Again, it is the threat by Russia that brings NATO into play, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Russia and the West sparring over the Ukraine had only one strategic issue for Russia: Sevastopol naval base.

By taking Crimea, they guarantee not only that they have access to it, but NATO doesn't.

And if NATO could have cut off the Strait, Rostov would have been taken out of the game, too.

It's why Russia have opened a new base at Novorossiysk.

I expect all of this is news to you, otherwise you wouldn't talk out of your arse.

All of this is obvious. But you forgot that Putin just wants to rebuild the lost Empire. He threatens all his neighbours, including the Baltic states. But the Baltic states are in NATO so riskier to attack.

Again, it is the threat by Russia that brings NATO into play, not the other way around.

Now, all the NATO is already at the Russia's gate to scare the dangerous Mr. Putin who provokes the world by his military drills at home.

(Unfortunately, that's why the NATO friends cannot come to help in Florida with their wonderful gear.)

Do you insinuate that the American people are forced to cough up almost 1 trillion because of the dangerous Mr. Putin's threat? (apart of the other threats by Kim, Maduro, Assad, Iran, etc.)

After all, all the perils do bring jobs to American people, the armament industries are flourishing, aren't they?