Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

**wasabi** · 04-10-2014, 05:09 AM

The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plains.
This aircraft will never be found.

**ENT** · 04-10-2014, 06:09 AM

Agreed.

**harrybarracuda** · 04-10-2014, 11:29 AM

So we've agreed as above then, if they find it you'll both STFU and go and hang your heads in shame, even the the odds are obviously against them and therefore your guesses are a safe bet.

**BaitongBoy** · 05-10-2014, 01:15 AM

But we are 4 pages shy of 100...No sense stopping it now...

**ENT** · 05-10-2014, 08:11 AM

**ENT** · 05-10-2014, 09:23 AM

Why MH370 probably won’t be found
by David Learmount on 17 April, 2014 in Uncategorised

The least unlikely cause for the disappearance of MH370, based on what little we know about the final flight, is that a person with a sharp mind and a plan, but who was emotionally unbalanced, took control of the aeroplane.

It could have been one of the pilots, or someone else on board who had the means to persuade the pilots to depart from official cockpit security procedures, possibly in a friendly way.

Cabin crew? Nobody knows, and there is certainly no direct evidence.

There is some circumstantial evidence for the Malaysian authorities’ belief that MH370′s disappearance was the result of ”deliberate action by someone on board”. The most publicised bits of circumstantial evidence are the switching off of the ACARS and then the transponder, followed immediately by a marked departure from the aircraft’s planned route. And this combined with radio silence.

The “emotionally unbalanced person” theory is based on the fact that no-one can imagine the motivation for masterminding what has happened, because no obvious purpose appears to have been served by it. But somebody who is suicidal or otherwise in a disturbed state does not follow normal logic.

The other argument for this theory is historical. There have been many cases in which pilots of aeroplanes carrying passengers have committed suicide by deliberately crashing the aircraft: a Silk Air 737 pilot, an Egyptair 767 pilot, a Royal Air Maroc ATR42 pilot, and last year a LAM Mozambique Embraer 190 pilot.

There is also a history of persons – other than the pilots – with a grudge bringing aeroplanes down: a Pacific Southwest Airlines BAe 146 in 1987, and Ethiopian Airways 757 in 1996. Then there was 9/11 where the perpetrators had a grudge against an entire country.

There is no record – yet – of someone bringing down an ordinary airline flight for the purpose of killing a specific person or group on board.

Staying with the deliberate action theory, if the person responsible had a reason to want no-one ever to find out what really happened, the flight path followed by MH370 would be a brilliant plan.

Commentators have advanced many theories as to how the perpetrator kept everyone on board quiet while carrying out his plan, including incapacitating them by deliberately depressurising the aircraft at high altitude. These theories are guesses, but this particular one has the attraction of not being able to be ruled out.

But there is another way that could have been effective for some hours if the means of taking control was quietly achieved. At 02:00h the passengers would have been sleeping or trying to sleep, not worrying about which way the aeroplane was heading, and most would stay that way until dawn or beyond.

But will we find MH370?

Look at the facts: no floating wreckage has been found nearly six weeks later.

The accuracy of the satellite information on which the search area has been calculated is far from guaranteed, so we may not be looking in the right place, and all the civil and military parties to the search know this.

It is hard enough finding wreckage in the deep ocean when you know where the aircraft was when it went missing, like AF447. In that case floating wreckage was discovered within a couple of days, but it took two years to find the wreck on the sea floor even when the last known position of the aircraft was a fact in which the search teams could have confidence.

AF447 belly-flopped into the water at at a vertical speed of about 120kt (220km/h), with very low forward speed, so the wreckage parts were quite large and thus easy to detect on the surface and on the sea bed. Fortunately for the searchers the main sea-bed wreckage came to rest on a firm, flat plain among sub-sea mountains.

We have no idea how MH370 impacted the water, but if it hit the surface much faster than AF447 and with a nose-down attitude, the pieces would be smaller and thus more difficult to detect.

To add to the searchers’ difficulties, oceanographers report that this area of the sea bed is very silty, and aircraft parts, especially heavy ones like the engines, could sink into the silt making detection by sonar even more difficult.

If we ever find parts from MH370, it may be when seat-cushions or other lightweight debris washes up on the shore of Australia or Antarctica. Unfortunately I think this is the most probable scenario.

- See more at: Why MH370 probably won't be found - Learmount

**harrybarracuda** · 08-10-2014, 01:50 PM

Satellite communications company Inmarsat has written a "clear language" analysis in the Royal Institute of Navigation's peer-reviewed journal on the high-tech detective work that went into establishing the current search area for Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370. The Boeing 777 disappeared in early March on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing and as new information became available the search areas shifted from an area off the coast of Vietnam to the southern Indian Ocean. A major reason for that shift was data crunched by Inmarsat that tracked a breadcrumb trail of satellite signal returns and pointed to a long flight across one of the most remote stretches of ocean in the world.

The paper will be available for free download by the Institute on Oct. 8. It normally charges hefty fees for access to its material but decided to offer free access to this information. "We feel this paper and subject are too important and that it should be shared with the world," the Institute said in a news release. The free download will be available at journals.cambridge.org/nav/mh370.

Within hours of its release, our resident mettalurgist, architect, engineer and now satellite scientist ENT will be along to tell us why it's wrong.

Although all of his information will come from some nutjob fairytale website after he's spent hours scouring said websites for some post from a like minded nutjob who simply won't believe it.

So you can ignore it.

**harrybarracuda** · 08-10-2014, 07:21 PM

**Latindancer** · 09-10-2014, 05:38 AM

I still reckon it was a fire in the nose wheel well.

**ENT** · 09-10-2014, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Satellite communications company Inmarsat has written a "clear language" analysis in the Royal Institute of Navigation's peer-reviewed journal on the high-tech detective work that went into establishing the current search area for Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370. The Boeing 777 disappeared in early March on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing and as new information became available the search areas shifted from an area off the coast of Vietnam to the southern Indian Ocean. A major reason for that shift was data crunched by Inmarsat that tracked a breadcrumb trail of satellite signal returns and pointed to a long flight across one of the most remote stretches of ocean in the world.

The paper will be available for free download by the Institute on Oct. 8. It normally charges hefty fees for access to its material but decided to offer free access to this information. "We feel this paper and subject are too important and that it should be shared with the world," the Institute said in a news release. The free download will be available at journals.cambridge.org/nav/mh370.

Within hours of its release, our resident mettalurgist, architect, engineer and now satellite scientist ENT will be along to tell us why it's wrong.

Although all of his information will come from some nutjob fairytale website after he's spent hours scouring said websites for some post from a like minded nutjob who simply won't believe it.

So you can ignore it.

And our resident bean-counter harrybarracuda is losing his rag again.

**ENT** · 09-10-2014, 09:59 AM

Mind you, it would be nice if and when INMARSAT does release some cleae maths, after all this time.

Why didn't they do so before?

Too hard for them?

**koman** · 09-10-2014, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by ENT

Mind you, it would be nice if and when INMARSAT does release some cleae maths, after all this time.

Why didn't they do so before?

Too hard for them?

I suspect a plot ENT....

Without a doubt this Inmarsat outfit is in cahoots with the Royal Navigation society...who have long been suspected to be a covert CIA operation specializing in the hijacking business. You might be able to find more on this from Russian TV or Prison Planet.....

**harrybarracuda** · 09-10-2014, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by ENT

Mind you, it would be nice if and when INMARSAT does release some cleae maths, after all this time.

Why didn't they do so before?

Too hard for them?

They had to wait for some BBC and CNN blokes to teach them how to edit it.

**harrybarracuda** · 09-10-2014, 11:09 AM

http://journals.cambridge.org/downlo...9a28152cc6112a

**ENT** · 09-10-2014, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by ENT

Mind you, it would be nice if and when INMARSAT does release some cleae maths, after all this time.

Why didn't they do so before?

Too hard for them?

I suspect a plot ENT....

Without a doubt this Inmarsat outfit is in cahoots with the Royal Navigation society...who have long been suspected to be a covert CIA operation specializing in the hijacking business. You might be able to find more on this from Russian TV or Prison Planet.....

Tut tut koman, you don't need to get your knickers in a twist...

Actually, there's a whole slew of mathematicians and computer geeks all hanging out waiting for INMARSAT's great explanation, but hell, it really has taken a while to come out.

Ooops, sorry,....it hasn't arrived yet, ....hmmmmm....pardon me.

**david44** · 09-10-2014, 11:21 AM

Would debris find like lifejacket sbe conclusive.
Does anyone know would the matrila or tags have codes showong sold to this airplane sooner than the hundreds lost off yachts Indonesian ferries or earlier airline crashes?

I am 100% convinced theUS was able to track from Diego Garcia ,whether they did,malfunction,not a priority etc is oot and I'm sure aour armchair warriors will advise.

Of course if it was tracked why the silence?
If it was not and Exmouth couldnt spot an UFO minutes from Commonwealth airspace whats the point in paying for such stuff.Pine Gap and Diego Garcia are not going to front up so I doubt we'll ever now for sure.

I guess the only moral is dont fly MH.
Was the Thai ticket vendor ever pulled in grilled?
The Persian imposters and unexplained 3 others?
I kind of forgot all the many nuances.
Wioll the insurers pay out for the plane with no evidence/

**ENT** · 09-10-2014, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

http://journals.cambridge.org/downlo...9a28152cc6112a

Did you read and understand that document harry?

Did you get to page seven (7) and eight (8), where it says;

"While the aircraft could have flown in a relatively straight line travelling as far north as Kazakhstan or deep into the Southern Indian Ocean, it could also have flown around in circles and ended up almost anywhere on the final arc."

**harrybarracuda** · 09-10-2014, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

http://journals.cambridge.org/downlo...9a28152cc6112a

Did you read and understand that document harry?

Did you get to page seven (7) and eight (8), where it says;

"While the aircraft could have flown in a relatively straight line travelling as far north as Kazakhstan or deep into the Southern Indian Ocean, it could also have flown around in circles and ended up almost anywhere on the final arc."

No ENT, I have a job.

**Necron99** · 09-10-2014, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

http://journals.cambridge.org/downlo...9a28152cc6112a

Did you read and understand that document harry?

Did you get to page seven (7) and eight (8), where it says;

"While the aircraft could have flown in a relatively straight line travelling as far north as Kazakhstan or deep into the Southern Indian Ocean, it could also have flown around in circles and ended up almost anywhere on the final arc."

Did you read and understand the next 14 pages Ent?
Where they explain it didn't fly north or in circles but flew on a southerly path into the indian ocean?

**harrybarracuda** · 09-10-2014, 02:07 PM

"Confirmation bias, also called myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, or prioritize information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning."

**ENT** · 10-10-2014, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

http://journals.cambridge.org/downlo...9a28152cc6112a

Did you read and understand that document harry?

Did you get to page seven (7) and eight (8), where it says;

"While the aircraft could have flown in a relatively straight line travelling as far north as Kazakhstan or deep into the Southern Indian Ocean, it could also have flown around in circles and ended up almost anywhere on the final arc."

Did you read and understand the next 14 pages Ent?
Where they explain it didn't fly north or in circles but flew on a southerly path into the indian ocean?

The southerly path mentioned in the report
Actually, the ( Australian Transport Safety Bureau) say;

"Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 went into a death spiral over the Indian Ocean, investigators now say, and a new look at those horrific final moments have led searchers combing the sea floor closer to finding wreckage of the missing plane, according to a report released Wednesday by the agency in charge of the massive search effort.

The new report from the Australian Transport Safety Bureau echoes a report assembled by an independent team of experts who also concluded that the Flight MH370 went down in a tragic and terrifying spiral as it plummeted out of the sky into the remote stretch of ocean. The independent group warned searchers that based on that spiral, they may be looking for the plane in the wrong place.

Wednesday’s ATSB report appeared to agree, but not completely. While the independent report concluded that a wide spiral could have taken the Malaysia Airlines plane 600 miles south of the current search area, the ATSB said that the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 death spiral did indeed lead the plane south, but only to the southernmost section of the “Seventh Arc,” the area that investigators say marked the final, errant path of the March 8 flight, which was supposed to fly a more-or-less straight shot from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, China.

Read more at Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Searchers Closing In After New Look At Plane's Death Spiral

**david44** · 11-10-2014, 11:55 AM

Sir Tim Clarke of Emirates largest user of 777 weighs in

MH370 Emirates Head Has Doubts about Investigation - SPIEGEL ONLINE

He also states the obvious rebrand Malaysian

**harrybarracuda** · 11-10-2014, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by david44

Sir Tim Clarke of Emirates largest user of 777 weighs in

MH370 Emirates Head Has Doubts about Investigation - SPIEGEL ONLINE

He also states the obvious rebrand Malaysian

What a fuckwit that bloke is.

"We don't need additional tracking".

Yet he says an event like this should never be allowed to happen again.

**Little Chuchok** · 11-10-2014, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by david44

Sir Tim Clarke of Emirates largest user of 777 weighs in

MH370 Emirates Head Has Doubts about Investigation - SPIEGEL ONLINE

He also states the obvious rebrand Malaysian

What a fuckwit that bloke is.

"We don't need additional tracking".

Yet he says an event like this should never be allowed to happen again.

I do not subscribe to the view that the Boeing 777, which is one of the most advanced in the world and has the most advanced communication platforms, needs to be improved with the introduction of some kind of additional tracking system. MH 370 should never have been allowed to enter a non-trackable situation.

He was referring to the fact that he tracking should have been adequate

I don't know if he's a fuckwit, but I would imagine that he knows what he's talking about.

**Necron99** · 11-10-2014, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by david44

Sir Tim Clarke of Emirates largest user of 777 weighs in

MH370 Emirates Head Has Doubts about Investigation - SPIEGEL ONLINE

He also states the obvious rebrand Malaysian

What a fuckwit that bloke is.

"We don't need additional tracking".

Yet he says an event like this should never be allowed to happen again.

I do not subscribe to the view that the Boeing 777, which is one of the most advanced in the world and has the most advanced communication platforms, needs to be improved with the introduction of some kind of additional tracking system. MH 370 should never have been allowed to enter a non-trackable situation.

He was referring to the fact that he tracking should have been adequate

I don't know if he's a fuckwit, but I would imagine that he knows what he's talking about.

Just because he runs an airline doesn't mean he knows anything about airplanes.....

He said the transponder and ACARS should not be accessible and should not be able to be disabled which is fine, until one of them shorts out and starts a fire becasue the pilot couldn't pull the breaker....

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