Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

**Necron99** · 14-04-2014, 12:38 PM

The only hope of finding it now is if James Cameron decides to make a movie about it.

**baldrick** · 14-04-2014, 01:24 PM

^ what odds are given by the online bookies for finding the plane ?

**Takeovers** · 14-04-2014, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Necron99

^ It's not true, it's an uncited "quote" from an industry "expert" who wanted to get his company some free press.

I believe you are right. It would be such a dead giveaway of something wrong that they might have stopped the flight from taking off.

**Takeovers** · 14-04-2014, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by baldrick

^ what odds are given by the online bookies for finding the plane ?

Assuming those pings actually were from this plane they will find it. With the Black Box batteries expired it will take a lot of searching but a clue on where to search is enough to be successful.

If it was not the Black Box they will never find it. The search area is much too large.

**Tom Sawyer** · 14-04-2014, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by baldrick

^ what odds are given by the online bookies for finding the plane ?

Five-to-one against. The pings aren't coming from that aircraft. Part of the wild goose chase. This was a professional heist of a fully laden 777 aircraft. Where it was taken and why remain mysteries. But at the bottom of the ocean is unlikely (unless it was flown there and ditched subsequently).

**Takeovers** · 14-04-2014, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Five-to-one against. The pings aren't coming from that aircraft.

Not to discuss the other parts of your reasoning. But if these were not pings by the black box the chances are more like 500 to 1, not 5 to 1.

**Tom Sawyer** · 14-04-2014, 04:48 PM

I'm a conservative gambler

**Tom Sawyer** · 14-04-2014, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Five-to-one against. The pings aren't coming from that aircraft.

Not to discuss the other parts of your reasoning. But if these were not pings by the black box the chances are more like 500 to 1, not 5 to 1.

They're not going to find that aircraft - anywhere

**Thormaturge** · 14-04-2014, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

This was a professional heist of a fully laden 777 aircraft. Where it was taken and why remain mysteries. But at the bottom of the ocean is unlikely (unless it was flown there and ditched subsequently).

I have thought similarly, but every possibility seems to have factors that make it improbable.

If this were a terrorist bombing why divert the plane? Usually the plane is simply blown up en route to its destination and some group claims responsibility in the name of its cause.

If the pilot and co-pilot conspired to divert the plane, and ditch it somewhere they could be met, in order to steal some valuable cargo (not mangosteens) then what about their families? Where could they possibly live?

I am more of the opinion something weird happened on board which disabled a bizarre combination of electronics, the pilots turned back but whatever it was caused them to lose their lives. Smoke from a fire maybe? Thus the plane would just continue flying until it ran out of fuel.

**Latindancer** · 14-04-2014, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

They're not going to find that aircraft - anywhere

I'll bet you they do.....well within 2 years. If you win, then I green or red whoever you want me to, 5 times.
If I win, likewise. That's far better than the official odds.

**baldrick** · 14-04-2014, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

This was a professional heist of a fully laden 777 aircraft

a reasonably common occurrence I would think ...... oh wait

**Tom Sawyer** · 14-04-2014, 05:19 PM

Going back to the probabilities scenario, it's been made clear that the comm devices were deliberately switched off and the plane turned just shortly after it's last normal voice contact. That IMO limits the mechanical theories to nil

**Thormaturge** · 14-04-2014, 05:44 PM

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Don't rely too much on electronic communications when there is an electrical failure.

I was sat in a bank a few months ago speaking to someone in a remote office over the phone explaining that their ATM had eaten my card, and I wanted my card back. According to their electronic communications system the machine was operating normally.

There was some polite sarcasm involved after another customer walked in to complain about the same issue while I was on the phone, but the guy on the other end of the phone took some convincing.

I do agree with you that the communications issue is the problem with my above suggestion. Every possibility has a problem associated with it. That's the problem....

**jamescollister** · 14-04-2014, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Going back to the probabilities scenario, it's been made clear that the comm devices were deliberately switched off and the plane turned just shortly after it's last normal voice contact. That IMO limits the mechanical theories to nil

Who says the plane turned back, Malaysia says they had an unidentified track over their air space. Wouldn't be unidentified if they watched it turn back.

Truth is not being told, why so much information being withheld, another month and the whole thing will be forgotten by the general public. Jim

**Ronin** · 14-04-2014, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

^
Don't rely too much on electronic communications when there is an electrical failure.

I was sat in a bank a few months ago speaking to someone in a remote office over the phone explaining that their ATM had eaten my card, and I wanted my card back. According to their electronic communications system the machine was operating normally.

There was some polite sarcasm involved after another customer walked in to complain about the same issue while I was on the phone, but the guy on the other end of the phone took some convincing.

I do agree with you that the communications issue is the problem with my above suggestion. Every possibility has a problem associated with it. That's the problem....

A good point; electronic, systems, computers, phones and whatever don't always work the way they are supposed to. We have all had experiences of such going wrong - the oyster card I use to travel the London Underground recorded I had taken two hours to from where I live to Victoria when in actual fact I traveled to Kensington High street and was there for some 20 minutes and yes I did touch out and back in for those who know the system.

What some may have overlooked is the comms on the plane may have failed simultaneously possibly followed by other inexperienced events - creating a new and unexpected scenario. I don't know of course but I don't like to commit myself to a theory without concrete evidence.

Those who are sure they know the explanation could well end up with egg on their face.

**ENT** · 15-04-2014, 08:55 AM

Sub aborts search for MH370 when ocean proves too deep

BEIJING – The robotic submarine sent to look for the missing Malaysian jetliner deep in the Indian Ocean aborted its mission when the search area proved beyond its 15,000-foot limit, Australain authorities said Tuesday.

The U.S.-made Bluefin 21 was launched late Monday on a planned 16-hour search of the sea bed for any sign of the data recorder from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. But after just six hours, the autonomous vessel had reached its maximum depth and its safety devices returned it to the surface, Australia's Joint Agency Coordination Centre said in a news release.

Officials were extracting and analyzing the data that was collected, the agency said, adding that Bluefin 21 would resume its search later in the day when the weather improved.

Authorities are also exploring an oil slick found Sunday in the area where four strong underwater signals were detected last week, he said. A two-liter sample was collected and is being analyzed, Houston said.

That oil slick, and the four earlier transmissions, are "the only leads" authorities currently have, Houston said. An earlier signal detected by a Chinese vessel is no longer considered credible, he said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...rline/7691083/

**Tom Sawyer** · 15-04-2014, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Ronin

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

^
Don't rely too much on electronic communications when there is an electrical failure.

I was sat in a bank a few months ago speaking to someone in a remote office over the phone explaining that their ATM had eaten my card, and I wanted my card back. According to their electronic communications system the machine was operating normally.

There was some polite sarcasm involved after another customer walked in to complain about the same issue while I was on the phone, but the guy on the other end of the phone took some convincing.

I do agree with you that the communications issue is the problem with my above suggestion. Every possibility has a problem associated with it. That's the problem....

A good point; electronic, systems, computers, phones and whatever don't always work the way they are supposed to. We have all had experiences of such going wrong - the oyster card I use to travel the London Underground recorded I had taken two hours to from where I live to Victoria when in actual fact I traveled to Kensington High street and was there for some 20 minutes and yes I did touch out and back in for those who know the system.

What some may have overlooked is the comms on the plane may have failed simultaneously possibly followed by other inexperienced events - creating a new and unexpected scenario. I don't know of course but I don't like to commit myself to a theory without concrete evidence.

Those who are sure they know the explanation could well end up with egg on their face.

It's been reported several times that the communications equipment were intentionally switched off one by one

**Tom Sawyer** · 15-04-2014, 09:49 AM

The plane also disappeared from radar apparently. That would suggest it descended to a low flight level as it carried on flying for hours

**Thormaturge** · 15-04-2014, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

It's been reported several times that the communications equipment were intentionally switched off one by one

.... well that's what people in locations thousands of miles away from the aeroplane are telling us from data sent by electronic systems which may or may not have been failing. If the technology is that good perhaps they will be kind enough to tell us where the plane went.

**Tom Sawyer** · 15-04-2014, 10:03 AM

There are probably many people who know what happened by now

**ENT** · 15-04-2014, 10:05 AM

Like the Malaysian government, CIA, FBI and MI6.

**Tom Sawyer** · 15-04-2014, 10:36 AM

There is little doubt this was anything other than a deliberate act to redirect the aircraft and cover its tracks. Logic dictates that would rule out pilot suicide or mass murder by deliberately crashing the plane or flying it for hours under the radar only to ditch in a remote area of southern ocean. It was flown to a different destination or was attempting to do so. By whom and for what reason baldrick and his Martian boyfriend can only guess

**ENT** · 15-04-2014, 11:35 AM

Just to flesh out other references and an earlier post by Koojo re. this topic.

Re. the two SEALs found dead of respiratory collapse in this saga,...were they part of the SEAL team that "lifted" Bin Laden? How many of them are still alive?

(For the confused, GRU = Russian;...MSS = Chinese)

Malaysia Airlines Mystery Deepens After Top Disease Experts Rushed To Indian Ocean

A grim report prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is stating today that within 24-hours of this aircrafts “diversion” to the highly secretive Indian Ocean US military base located on the Diego Garcia atoll, no less than four flights, within the past week, containing top American and Chinese disease scientists and experts have, likewise, been flown to there.

According to this report, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (also marketed as China Southern Airlines flight 748 through a codeshare) was a scheduled passenger flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, China, when on 8 March this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft“disappeared” in flight with 227 passengers on board from 15 countries, most of whom were Chinese, and 12 crew members.

As we had previously noted in our report “Russia “Puzzled” Over Malaysia Airlines “Capture” By US Navy,” the GRU had previously notified China’s Ministry of State Security (MSS) of its suspicions regarding this flight due its containing a “highly suspicious” cargo that had been offloaded in the Republic of Seychelles from the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.

First arousing the GRU’s concerns regarding this “highly suspicious” cargo, this report continues, was that after its unloading from the MV Maersk Alabama on 17 February, its then transfer to Seychelles International Airport where it was loaded on an Emirates flight bound for Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Malaysia, after first stopping over in Dubai, the two highly trained US Navy SEALS who were guarding it were found dead.

The two US Navy SEALS protecting this “highly suspicious” cargo, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances” aboard the MV Maersk Alabama, this report says, further raising Russian intelligence suspicions as they were both employed by the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group which was founded by US Navy Special Operations Personnel (SEAL’s) and Senior US Naval Surface Warfare Officers and has long been known by the GRU to protect vital transfers of both atomic and biological materials throughout the world.

Upon Flight 370’s departure from Malaysia on 8 March, this report continues, the GRU was notified by the MSS that they were going to divert it from its scheduled destination of Beijing to Haikou Meilan International Airport (HAK) located in Hainan Province (aka Hainan Island).

Prior to this planes entering into People Liberation Army (PLA) protected zones of the South China Sea known as the Spratly Islands, however, this report continues, Flight 370 “significantly deviated” from its flight course and was tracked by VKO satellites and radar flying into the Indian Ocean region and completing its nearly 3,447 kilometer (2,142 miles) flight to Diego Garcia.

In a confirmation of the GRU’s assertion that Flight 370 was, indeed, flown to Diego Garcia, this report says, satellite transmission data analyzed by US investigators showed that this planes most likely last-known position was in a zone about 1,609 kilometers (1,000 miles) west of Perth, Australia in the Indian Ocean..

Most troubling to the GRU about Flight 370’s “diversion” to Diego Garcia, this report says, was that it was “nearly immediately” followed by some of the top disease scientists and experts from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CCDCP) embarking to Diego Garcia on at least four flights.

As to why both American and Chinese disease experts were taken to Diego Garcia where Flight 370 is now known to be, this report says, has as yet not been answered by either of these governments after repeated Foreign Ministry requests for “explanations and clarification.”

What is to be known, this report says, is that as Malaysia has been forced to admit Flight 370 was, indeed, “diverted” from its flight path as the GRU had previously reported, and as at least 25 nations are now involved in searching for it, it remains a mystery as to what is actually occurring.

Also known, this report concludes, is that Diego Garcia as a designated ETOPS emergency landing site for flight planning purposes of commercial airliners transversing the Indian Ocean, and as one of 33 emergency landing sites worldwide for the NASA Space Shuttle, it is “inconceivable” that any type of aircraft, let alone Flight 370, can fly anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere without being tracked, monitored and recorded in totality.

Malaysia Airlines Mystery Deepens After Top Disease Experts Rushed To Indian Ocean | The Total Collapse

**Necron99** · 15-04-2014, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

There is little doubt this was anything other than a deliberate act to redirect the aircraft and cover its tracks. Logic dictates that would rule out pilot suicide or mass murder by deliberately crashing the plane or flying it for hours under the radar only to ditch in a remote area of southern ocean. It was flown to a different destination or was attempting to do so. By whom and for what reason baldrick and his Martian boyfriend can only guess

Logic doesn't dictate anything of the sort. Logic dictates that a suicidal pilot would do just that, aiming to have the plane simply lost forever rather than his family bear the shame of what he has done.

**ENT** · 15-04-2014, 12:17 PM

^^ Nonsense.

There is very little logic in suicide.

The fact that the pilot performed complex manoeuvres to get over the Bay of Bengal instead of heading to the closest deep water to ditch, the China Sea, dismisses the suicide theory, just to start with.

Saving face by disappearing? That's laughable.

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