Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The decompression theory also does not explain the staged switching off of ACARS and the transponder, and the entering of a new route into the navigation computer.

These were deliberate acts.

A fire could have taken them out to be fair. First change of direction, to try to get to Langkawi, and the second to get the approach to that airport correct which would see the flight path then going to Australia direction.

Those acts are only guessed at being deliberate acts in an effort to stir up some type of terror.

No they are not. A fire that bad would have brought down the aircraft.

Deliberate Pilot action is simply the most obvious conclusion. The only question is was that pilot one of the flight deck or someone else, which seems far fetched.

I can think of two incidences of disgruntled former employees crashing aircraft (or trying to):

Pacific Southwest 1771

and

Fedex 705

Neither of these were pilots though.

The SilkAir and EgyptAir ones were - so there is a precedent.

Although in this case it appears that the perpetrator was interested in keeping the planes final resting place a secret.

One thing is for certain though: If this turns out to be MH370, it was not a fire.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

No they are not. A fire that bad would have brought down the aircraft.

Maybe it did though? No one knows where it is or where it went. Bloody good chance it took a dive into briney in a place no one knows about. Only some tittle tattle coming from the "agencies" who as usual are desperate to pin this on their usual targets.

From the beeb:

09 Australian aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas tells BBC World News: "This is about the most challenging location you could possibly pick... The seas out there can get to 30m (98ft) in height and the sea floor is about 10,000ft (3,000m) down. This is about as tough as it gets."

Makes one's heart heavy.

Roobarb, don't think the guy is right myself, just that he put up a plausible theory.
I'm still of the opinion plane went down in the area of last confirmed position, or crashed in the jungle in Vietnam.
Nothing, but maybes after that from unnamed sources.

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

No they are not. A fire that bad would have brought down the aircraft.

Maybe it did though? No one knows where it is or where it went. Bloody good chance it took a dive into briney in a place no one knows about. Only some tittle tattle coming from the "agencies" who as usual are desperate to pin this on their usual targets.

What "usual" targets are you talking about?

Pilot Suicide is very rare, but not unheard of, as I've already posted.

just heard on the radio (news);

the nearest ship is a Norwegian car freighter on its way from
South Africa to Perth,
expected arrival is Wednesday (next week)

Originally Posted by somtamslap

From the beeb:

09 Australian aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas tells BBC World News: "This is about the most challenging location you could possibly pick... The seas out there can get to 30m (98ft) in height and the sea floor is about 10,000ft (3,000m) down. This is about as tough as it gets."

Makes one's heart heavy.

It makes the chance of Rescue difficult but I would suggest that was never an option.

The depth is no longer an issue.

At noon on Monday, local time, (10 p.m. Sunday ET) James Cameron's "vertical torpedo" sub broke the surface of the western Pacific, carrying the National Geographic explorer and filmmaker back from the Mariana Trench's Challenger Deep—Earth's deepest, and perhaps most alien, realm.

The first human to reach the 6.8-mile-deep (11-kilometer-deep) undersea valley solo, Cameron arrived at the bottom with the tech to collect scientific data, specimens, and visions unthinkable in 1960, when the only other manned Challenger Deep dive took place, according to members of the National Geographic expedition.

20 March 2014

"A merchant ship that responded to a shipping broadcast issued by RCC Australia on Monday was also expected to arrive in the area this afternoon.

The Royal Australian Navy ship HMAS Success is en route to the area but is some days away.

UPDATE 21: MISSING MH370 : Full statement by Hishammuddin - Latest - New Straits Times

Latest , Oz Airforce plane on site unable to see anything .

Originally Posted by bangkokbonecollector

The difference between a press conference held by Australian officials and one by Malaysian officials is astounding. Totally professional, accurate and conclusive on every question asked.

Thailand & Malaysia - Same Same...

Originally Posted by melvin

just heard on the radio (news);

the nearest ship is a Norwegian car freighter on its way from
South Africa to Perth,
expected arrival is Wednesday (next week)

hmmmm,
the radio station just revised the above,
saying the ship is in the area now
(and Melbourne, not Perth)

Originally Posted by Mid

Oz Airforce plane on site unable to see anything .

Picture taken on board an RAAF Orion sent to the debris site.

Missing Plane Live Updates: Search For 'Debris'

Australian navy plane fails to locate suspicious debris of missing plane
March 20, 2014

Canberra - An Australian navy P-3 plane failed to locate suspicious debris of the missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 flight, Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) said on Thursday.

"P3 crew unable to locate debris" due to cloud and rain, which limited visibility, AMSA said through its Twitter account.

It said further aircraft will continue search for the flight, which lost contact with the ground 12 days ago en route from Malaysian capital of Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

The Australian government said earlier Thursday that they had spotted on satellite images two objects possibly related to the missing plane in the southern Indian Ocean, approximately 2,500 km southwest of Australian port city of Perth.

An AMSA staff member told Xinhua that it might take days before rescuers can finally confirm whether the suspicious objects belong to the missing plane.

nationmultimedia.com

The absolute anguish the families must be going through would be beyond description.

If anything, closure is a must. If this is it.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Roobarb, don't think the guy is right myself, just that he put up a plausible theory.
I'm still of the opinion plane went down in the area of last confirmed position, or crashed in the jungle in Vietnam.
Nothing, but maybes after that from unnamed sources.

Experts agree that planes ditching into sea generally produce lots of debris. As a layperson I would agree that no person or thing but the sea has any control over how a plane breaks up and what happens to the pieces. On this basis, as no debris has been found and it's not in the air, it must be on land.

If it crashed on land, someone would have seen it, whether from fishing or other local boats, villages, or whatever. I find it hard to imagine a plane could fly low, which people at ground/sea level tend to notice, and chance upon a magic miles-wide corridor through hundreds of miles of sea and miles of land, and then crash with not a soul noticing.

Next, back to my earlier question, why? Why should a series of highly unusual pointedly human-controlled events be weaved together only to end up bringing a plane down? Sure, that bit might have been inadvertent, either as an afterthought, an aborted op, a failed op, or even a genuine accident. But if those involved intended a crash whether over land or sea, though sea is preferable for concealing evidence, why not just take it down without the drama?

That's why from the available evidence I would guess it's on land, in one piece, flightworthy, and at least non-Muslims passengers if not all passengers are dead. Gun to my head says Muslims are behind it, Jihad is the cause, and intention is to use it as a missile against a Western target.

If this theory is correct, and it is no more than a wild theory, after such uncharacteristic impeccable planning and execution of the plane's disappearance, once it is decked out as a missile, delivery might be accomplished by switching with or otherwise masquerading as a commercial flight on a routine flight path.

^
My only problem with that theory, and it is not a bad one given the circumstances, is that surely it would be easier to "steal" a cargo plane. No passengers to bother with and far less attention.

^^ I think such a theory is ridiculous, where are you going to land a 200 ton aircraft without being noticed? Please don't say some remote island as few would have a runway long enough. Plus the fact there are other factors to take into account; the weather, other traffic, wind-speed which is supplied by ATC.

Originally Posted by Ronin

I think such a theory is ridiculous, where are you going to land a 200 ton aircraft without being noticed? Please don't say some remote island as few would have a runway long enough. Plus the fact there are other factors to take into account; the weather, other traffic, wind-speed which is supplied by ATC.

^ Wot 'e sed

Originally Posted by leemo

Experts agree that planes ditching into sea generally produce lots of debris.

And in some cases it's a very small debris field, and if you don't know where you are looking, it's a lot harder to spot a floating seat than it is a wing.

To say that it's on land because they haven't found any debris is just idiotic.

Especially when the search area is 2.5 MILLION sq nm.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

nobody spends millions of dollars looking for a DHL plane carrying rubber dog toys.

Wold you say the same if the cargo was fish-food or aquarium decorations?

Originally Posted by leemo

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Roobarb, don't think the guy is right myself, just that he put up a plausible theory.
I'm still of the opinion plane went down in the area of last confirmed position, or crashed in the jungle in Vietnam.
Nothing, but maybes after that from unnamed sources.

Experts agree that planes ditching into sea generally produce lots of debris. As a layperson I would agree that no person or thing but the sea has any control over how a plane breaks up and what happens to the pieces. On this basis, as no debris has been found and it's not in the air, it must be on land.

If it crashed on land, someone would have seen it, whether from fishing or other local boats, villages, or whatever. I find it hard to imagine a plane could fly low, which people at ground/sea level tend to notice, and chance upon a magic miles-wide corridor through hundreds of miles of sea and miles of land, and then crash with not a soul noticing.

Next, back to my earlier question, why? Why should a series of highly unusual pointedly human-controlled events be weaved together only to end up bringing a plane down? Sure, that bit might have been inadvertent, either as an afterthought, an aborted op, a failed op, or even a genuine accident. But if those involved intended a crash whether over land or sea, though sea is preferable for concealing evidence, why not just take it down without the drama?

That's why from the available evidence I would guess it's on land, in one piece, flightworthy, and at least non-Muslims passengers if not all passengers are dead. Gun to my head says Muslims are behind it, Jihad is the cause, and intention is to use it as a missile against a Western target.

If this theory is correct, and it is no more than a wild theory, after such uncharacteristic impeccable planning and execution of the plane's disappearance, once it is decked out as a missile, delivery might be accomplished by switching with or otherwise masquerading as a commercial flight on a routine flight path.

Trouble I have with all the other theories is no confirmation, that the plane went anywhere.
Who says the plane turned and flew west over Malaysia/Thailand, this is an aircraft hub area, BKK, KL and Singapore, 1,000s of flights, good radar coverage, how many planes in the air at that time of night. All have their own radar, no one picked up an unidentified track.
To me that doesn't add up.

But various people did pick up radar tracks, that's why they shifted the search area to the Malacca Strait and beyond.