Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Oh, you like sex and travel? Good, well fuck off then.

Go fukk yourself . Post where and when I want

One wonders how close to Diego Garcia they will be allowed to proceed and who will have access to the material captured?

Originally Posted by OhOh

One wonders how close to Diego Garcia they will be allowed to proceed and who will have access to the material captured?

Well your first point is just your usual stupidity, but the second point.... one would hope they are essentially doing a seabed survey, which itself should produce valuable information, in the hope that they can find the plane and essentially get paid twice over.

Would be a real trick if they pull it off.

A US company will be paid between US$20 million and US$70 million ($26 to $91 million) if it finds any trace of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 within 90 days of beginning a new search.
Australia will provide technical assistance for the search by seabed exploration company Ocean Infinity but will not contribute to the reward fee if the plane is found.
Malaysia's deputy transport minister says the nation's cabinet has accepted "in principle" an offer from Ocean Infinity to search a 25,000 square kilometre area for the plane.
Ocean Infinity offered to search for the plane on a "no-find, no-fee" basis.
Deputy Transport Minister Datuk Ab Aziz Kaprawi said that cabinet ministers had agreed "to prepare a special allocation to the Ministry of Transport amounting to between US$20 million up to US$70 million if MH370 aircraft wreckage is successfully found within 90 days".

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/2017-10-30/mh370-ocean-infinity-to-be-paid-millions-if-new-search-turns-up-any-trace-of-missing-flight/1713138

Still under discussion...

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia is negotiating terms with US-based seabed exploration firm Ocean Infinity, which has proposed that the search for MH370 begin next month or in January, when it is summer in the Southern Hemisphere.

The Malaysian government will make a decision soon, after the transport minister meets his counterparts from Australia and China the latest next month.
This is according to the director-general of Malaysia's Department of Civil Aviation on the sideline of an event at Kuala Lumpur International Airport on Wednesday (Nov 15).

Under the proposed "No cure, No fee" structure, Ocean Infinity will only be paid if the aircraft is found.
MH370 vanished three years ago somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur, with 239 people aboard.
Its disappearance has become one of the world's greatest aviation mysteries.

Malaysia, Australia and China ended a AUS$200 million (US$157 million) deep-sea search for the plane in January without any trace of the aircraft being found.
Apart from Ocean Infinity, Malaysia has received two other proposals including one from Dutch Fugro and an unidentified Malaysian company offering to continue the search.

Read more at US firm Ocean Infinity offers to start MH370 search next month - Channel NewsAsia

The search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is set to be resumed, almost a year after it was postponed indefinitely.

The Daily Beast has learned that Ocean Infinity, a company based in Houston, Texas, that is negotiating with the Malaysian government to undertake the search on a “no-find, no-fee bounty” principle is now sending its search vessel to begin an operation early in January.

Mark Antelme, a spokesman for Ocean Infinity, confirmed to The Daily Beast that although the company still does not have a final contract in place with the Malaysians it has decided to get its search vessel, Seabed Contractor, to the Indian Ocean.

MH370 disappeared into the southern Indian Ocean—one of the remotest and most turbulent areas of ocean on the globe—in March 2014, along with 239 passengers and crew.

The renewed search is a race against time. A weather window between December and March offers the best opportunity to work at the search site in the southern Indian Ocean. Seizing this window is vital for Ocean Infinity because they are deploying a new technology that is not suited to severe sea conditions. Moreover, Ocean Infinity is committed to complete the search in 90 days.

The original search came up empty after 966 days of operations deploying a fleet of six vessels at a cost of at least $150 million.

But in August a team of Australian oceanographers said they had identified “with unprecedented precision and certainty” a new area, beginning about 100 miles north of the original search area, as “a most-likely location of the aircraft.”

The Australian oceanographers will help the new search with the data they used to produce the new target zone. This data was shaped by complex calculations made by reverse-engineering the track of debris from MH370 that washed up on beaches in the western Indian Ocean.

The original search area was huge: 46,000 square miles, the size of Pennsylvania. The area of the new search is around 6,700 square miles, the size of Vermont. The leader of the Australian team of oceanographers, Dr. David Griffin, said that within that area there were three “hot spots” that were the most promising sites.

Even then the three nations responsible for funding the search, Malaysia, China, and Australia, were not prepared to launch a new search.

Then, in October 2017, after receiving a proposal from Ocean Infinity, the Malaysians said they were preparing to allocate between $20 million and $70 million as a reward if the wreckage of the Boeing 777 was found within 90 days. (The difference in the reward would reflect how much of the wreck is located.)

However, it appears that, given the time pressure, Ocean Infinity is not waiting for the finalizing of the contract to get its equipment to the search site. Seabed Constructor is heading to the port of Durban, in South Africa, where it is due to arrive on Dec. 27. From Durban the sailing time to the search area would be around 10 days.

The Seabed Constructor is carrying a fleet of eight state-of-the-art“free-swimming” robot autonomous underwater vehicles, AUVs, that can be used like a swarm of drones to simultaneously cover huge swaths of the seabed with high-resolution sonar scanning.

This will bring an entirely new and so far untried approach to the task of finding the remains of flight MH370. In 2014, when the first search, directed by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB), was planned and launched, the number of AUVs able to operate at the extreme depths of the site (up to 18,000 feet) was limited.

For that reason their role then in the search was restricted. More of the sonar scanning was done by towfish, a torpedo-like vehicle towed at the end of very long lines from the mother ship. Towfish are far less maneuverable than AUVs at depth because of the towline. Two towfish were lost when the lines broke and recovering them took weeks.

In an amazingly choreographed operation, Ocean Infinity’s swarm of AUVs are directed by another swarm of eight robots on the surface, unmanned surface vehicle, USVs, that both monitor the movements on the seabed and provide the communications link to the mother ship.

Nothing of this sophistication was possible with the equipment used in the original search. Apart from anything else, Ocean Infinity’s readiness to take the gamble that it will find the wreck is clearly designed to demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology under the most challenging conditions.

In fact, an expert on deep sea searches has told The Daily Beast that, since August, the Seabed Constructor performed several missions in the Atlantic, from the U.S. East Coast to the Azores, including a number of deep sea areas, that would be consistent with testing the capabilities of the robot fleets.

However, none of those tests will have prepared Ocean Infinity’s crew for the conditions at the search site, some 1,700 miles southwest of Australia. The state of the seas is sometimes so extreme that vessels can face waves of more than 70 feet. On the seabed there is an equally wild landscape that includes volcanoes, deep valleys, and ridges formed by seismic forces.

In the original search the AUVs proved to be particularly vulnerable at the time they were launched or recovered by the mother ship. In fact, it turned out to be impossible to deploy them when wave heights exceeded nine feet. Once the weather window ended at the beginning of April the USVs were usable only 30 percent of the time.

Finding the wreck now would be a remarkable feat. But discovery is only the first part of the challenge. The second is recovery of wreckage and, possibly, of human remains that would be essential to discovering the cause of the disaster.

Seabed Constructor does have a remotely operated vehicle, ROV, that is capable of making close visual inspections of wreckage and recovering smaller parts. But recovery is not part of Ocean Infinity’s contract with the Malaysians. A more complete recovery, that would begin with mapping the debris field, would require more resources.

Every airplane wreck has a story to tell and in this case, even after four years on the bottom of the ocean, physical evidence could be dramatic and decisive in stripping away the mystery of what brought down the plane and its 239 souls.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mh370-...me-with-robots

Fresh updates on the hunt for the inexplicably missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 indicate the plane may have been ditched in an ocean grave after the pilot flew it to the end.
Australian authorities failed to locate the jet following several years of combing the sea for debris and finally called off the futile search in January.
But the families of lost passengers were thrown a lifeline in October when US-based company Ocean Infinity offered to takeover the search for free - and now investigators claim the pilot likely flew the aircraft to the end and ditched it.


According to reports in The Australian, lead air crash investigator Captain John Cox believes evidence from the recovered wing flaps suggests the doomed plane was dumped intentionally.
'Based on that analysis I think it is likely, possibly highly likely, that there was an attempt to ditch the airplane,' Captain Cox said.


Ocean Infinity stepped in to take over the $200 million search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane MH370 for free amid claims experts pinpointed the crash site.
The company struck a 'no find no fee' deal with the Malaysian Government and will receive $90 million only if it locates the wreckage.


The publication reports that the search will resume under Ocean Infinity's lead in a matter of weeks.
MH370 disappeared without a trace during a scheduled flight to Kuala Lumpar from Beijing on March 8, 2014, along with 12 Malaysian crew members and 227 passengers from 15 nations.
The multinational search for the missing aircraft cost Australian, Malaysian and Chinese taxpayers $200 million but after three years officials are still no closer to learning what truly happened on that flight.


Ocean Infinity intends to send a vessel with advanced sonar scanning technology to a smaller, 25,000sqm space where authorities believe contains vital clues for finding the debris.
Captain Cox's suggestion of a ditched aircraft does not support the popular theories that the plane was destroyed in a 'death dive' or a 'ghost flight'.
Some 20 pieces of debris suspected or confirmed to be from the missing MH370 flight have washed ashore on coastlines throughout the Indian Ocean.

Pilot of missing flight MH370 most likely ditched plane | Daily Mail Online

Ocean Infinity intends to send a vessel with advanced sonar scanning technology to a smaller, 25,000sqm space where authorities believe contains vital clues for finding the debris.


Reads as if they have trouble writing English, but also as if they really dont have a clue and are looking for a needle in a haystack in reality.

Christmas innit. All the hacks are on the piss leaving the interns to fill in.

The UN has defined new technical standards to guarantee the seamless tracking of aircraft and to prevent flights from disappearing off the radar, the International Telecommunication Union says.
The UN agency has been working to integrate existing flight surveillance systems since the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 in 2014.
The Boeing 777 flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing went missing with 239 passengers, including six Australians, and crew on board on March 8, 2014.

With the new technical standards that are already being implemented by some countries, different systems will be connected to exchange flight data.
The increased use of satellite technology will improve tracking in areas where there are no land-based data receivers, such as oceans or remote regions.
"The adoption of these technical principles for enhanced aircraft surveillance via satellite will make great strides in saving lives," ITU Secretary General Houlin Zhao said on Tuesday in Geneva.
A search covering hundreds of thousands of square kilometres in the Indian Ocean was called off in January with no result.
The Malaysian government entered into a "no find, no fee" arrangement in October with US company Ocean Infinity in a bid to recover the missing plane.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/lost-mh3...light-tracking

KUALA LUMPUR: The Malaysian government has approved a new attempt to find the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 in the Indian Ocean, the transport minister said on Saturday.
A US-based company this week dispatched the search vessel Seabed Constructor to look for debris in the southern Indian Ocean, almost four years after the Boeing 777 disappeared on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 227 passengers and 12 crew.
The governments of Malaysia, China and Australia called off the 1,046-day official search on Jan 17 last year without solving the mystery. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau's final report conceded that authorities were no closer to knowing the reasons for the plane's disappearance, or its exact location.
"The basis of the offer from Ocean Infinity is based on 'no cure, no fee,'" Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said on Saturday. It means that payment will be made only if the company finds the wreckage.
"That means they are willing to search the area of 25,000 square kilometres pointed out by the expert group near the Australian waters," he said.
However, he added, "I don't want to give too much hope ... to the [victims' families]." He said his government was committed to continuing with the search.
Ocean Infinity said that its vessel, which left the South African port of Durban on Tuesday, was taking advantage of favourable weather to move toward "the vicinity of the possible search zone".




https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/1391318/

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia signed a deal on Wednesday (Jan 10) to pay Ocean Infinity up to US$70 million if it finds missing flight MH370 or its black boxes within 90 days, confirming an earlier report by Channel NewsAsia.
"The primary mission by Ocean Infinity is to identify the location of the wreckage and/or both of the flight recorders - cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder (FDR) - and present a considerable and credible evidence to confirm the exact location of the two main items," Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said at a press conference.
The deal stipulates that Malaysia will pay Ocean Infinity up to US$50 million if the wreckage or flight recorders are found within 90 days in a 25,000 sq km zone identified as a priority area by Australian researchers, and US$70 million if it is found in a search area beyond that.
Channel NewsAsia had reported earlier that Malaysia had agreed to pay the US firm according to a tier system on a "no cure, no fee" basis, starting at US$20 million if the plane is found within the first 5,000 sq km. This means that Ocean Infinity will only get paid if it finds the plane.
The vessel will have 65 crew, including two government representatives drawn from the Malaysian navy, Reuters reported.
The search operation will begin on Jan 17, Reuters cited Ocean Infinity chief executive Oliver Plunkett as saying.

The Malaysia Airlines aircraft disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on Mar 8, 2014, carrying 239 passengers and crew.
The search for MH370 coordinated by Australia was suspended after no trace of the plane was found in a 120,000 sq km zone in the southern Indian Ocean, but researchers are confident that these new coordinates could yield results.
Ocean Infinity has deployed a Norwegian research ship which is expected to search up to 1,200 sq km a day beginning mid-January. This could mean the 25,000 sq km zone narrowed down by researchers will be covered in a month.
The last search, which took more than two years to cover 120,000 sq km, had cost the Malaysian government US$116 million.
"It is my hope that we will find the answers that we've sought for nearly four years and bring some closure to this unfortunate incident," said Mr Liow.
Investigators have so far confirmed that three pieces of debris washed up and recovered on western Indian Ocean shorelines came from MH370.
Other pieces recovered mostly on western Indian Ocean shorelines have been identified as likely, though not definitely, from MH370.

Source: CNA/zl
Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...-in-90-9848726

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...-in-90-9848726

4 years later and a new search is authorised to look for lost aeroplane. Better luck this time new team.

Originally Posted by wasabi

4 years later and a new search is authorised to look for lost aeroplane. Better luck this time new team.

I doubt they'd be bothering it it wasn't a "no win, no fee" deal. That kinda put them on the spot.

From the local news here, these guys seem pretty confident they'll find it.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

From the local news here, these guys seem pretty confident they'll find it.

Gonna focus on Diego Garcia. Open a few sheds and bingo.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Gonna focus on Diego Garcia. Open a few sheds and bingo.

Let's hope so. God only knows how much time and money the search has taken. Understandable, if one had loved ones on board, but there must be tens of thousands of human hours wasted on this subject without any solid closure.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

From the local news here, these guys seem pretty confident they'll find it.

Would seem so given the no find, no pay deal. Think they have done their homework and have a pretty good idea where to look. Even so going to cost a bunch.

Originally Posted by yortyiam

God only knows how much time and money the search has taken. Understandable, if one had loved ones on board,

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The governments of Malaysia, China and Australia called off the 1,046-day official search on Jan 17 last year

Do you really think China cares about some of it's low class tourists who went missing?
See quote below.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Gonna focus on Diego Garcia.

I don't think they will, but that may be a good thing to do.

Originally Posted by Norton

Would seem so given the no find, no pay deal. Think they have done their homework and have a pretty good idea where to look. Even so going to cost a bunch.

It will cost a bunch. Big crew and big ship, but 70 million payout if they succeed. Treasure hunters.

What I'm wondering is why the HUGE bucks to find a wreck during the official search and now after 4 years? It harks back to the conspiracy theories of Chinese technology in the hold.

Has there ever been so much time and money invested in searching for a plane wreck? Giving closure to the victims' families doesn't wash, nor does "for future safety measures". How much has Malaysia spent of it's GDP to continue this?

After searching Diego Garcia they should try Planet Zorcon. If the CIA didn't take most likely aliens then

Originally Posted by Latindancer

From the local news here, these guys seem pretty confident they'll find it.

85% is the figure quoted...

Originally Posted by Maanaam

It will cost a bunch. Big crew and big ship, but 70 million payout if they succeed. Treasure hunters.

What I'm wondering is why the HUGE bucks to find a wreck during the official search and now after 4 years? It harks back to the conspiracy theories of Chinese technology in the hold.

Has there ever been so much time and money invested in searching for a plane wreck? Giving closure to the victims' families doesn't wash, nor does "for future safety measures". How much has Malaysia spent of it's GDP to continue this?

Agreed, but the implications of this go further than the loss of the passengers (or cargo).

If there is by the slightest shred of possibility a set of circumstances by which a plane can magically deviate, on its own and in an organised manner, from its predicted flight path, they need to find out to make sure none of the other 1500+ B777's do it.

(There was a sort of similar case with Aeroflot 593 which effectively flew itself into the ground while on autopilot).

There is no other reason really. The insurance issues are all closed as far as I know, unless the insurers get their money back if it is discovered that Captain Shah did the dirty.