Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

Harrybablooba's too thick to try and put two and two together, so I'll point out the obvious to the dumbo.

If the "mysterious cargo" of lithium batteries and radio gear were placed right up against the electronics/avionics bay compartment, they'd be close enough to the plane's electronics to affect them, given the necessary conditions.

A fire in the electronics bay generated by the batteries is one scenario.

Electronic interference of the plane's circuitry/operating systems by radio equipment in close proximity to them, is another possibility, given the necessary conditions, also.

Originally Posted by ENT

Harrybablooba's too thick to try and put two and two together, so I'll point out the obvious to the dumbo.

If the "mysterious cargo" of lithium batteries and radio gear were placed right up against the electronics/avionics bay compartment, they'd be close enough to the plane's electronics to affect them, given the necessary conditions.

A fire in the electronics bay generated by the batteries is one scenario.

Electronic interference of the plane's circuitry/operating systems by radio equipment in close proximity to them, is another possibility, given the necessary conditions, also.

And the Mangosteens could function as an EMP if the FreeScale Engineers with the Rothschild patent had.....

Oh bollocks ENT, don't you ever get tired of this shit?

The batteries could in fact have caused a fire. And there were certainly enough of them. Once SOME of them were on fire (er.... don't lithium batteries sometimes explode if put in a fire ? ) the rest could well have gone up with a bang.

The batteries and "radio accessories and chargers" were Motorollas, sent from a consigner from Penang via a logistcs company to another logistics company in Beijing.

Freescale was a division of Motorola, then became a separate co-operative company with Motorola.

There were only 200kg of batteries and more than 2,200 kg of "radio accessories", all as part of a consolidated load.

The consigner and consignee of all those electrical components are not listed on the way bills involved.

There were two other large and heavy consolidated loads. One of mangosteens and another whose contents have yet to be detailed.

Mangosteens? That's a possibility I suppose. The Jews get the blame for most everything else, so why not?

Originally Posted by Gazza

Mangosteens? That's a possibility I suppose. The Jews get the blame for most everything else, so why not?

How do you know they weren't Jewish mangosteens?

Originally Posted by ENT

Harrybablooba's too thick to try and put two and two together, so I'll point out the obvious to the dumbo.

If the "mysterious cargo" of lithium batteries and radio gear were placed right up against the electronics/avionics bay compartment, they'd be close enough to the plane's electronics to affect them, given the necessary conditions.

A fire in the electronics bay generated by the batteries is one scenario.

Electronic interference of the plane's circuitry/operating systems by radio equipment in close proximity to them, is another possibility, given the necessary conditions, also.

How close were the batteries and radio gear?
How would the plane's circuitry/operating systems be affected by the cargo of batteries (or vice versa)? (assuming no fire)

The batteries and radio gear were stowed in the front end of the forward cargo bay, reportedly.
All part of a two ton consolidated load.

Also, Malaysia Airlines CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya is quoted as saying, " 200 kg of lithium batteries on board the plane..., packed safely".

Total cargo as of cargo manifest;
133 pieces of one item weighing 1.99 tonnes, 67 pieces of another item weighing 463kg Total = 2.453 tonnes. Neither the Motorola batteries nor the radio parts, reportedly 2-way walkie talkies, were specified. Why not?



So the whole Motorolla package was 200 kg of batteries and 263 kg of 2-way radios and chargers, total = 463kg, packed safe in the forward cargo bay.

Above them sat the Freescale engineers with their laptops.

Freescale semiconductors are used in Motorolla's newest 2-way radios, also in all Boeing aircraft which have all been wired for automatic uninterruptible autopilot.

Was the Motorola package creating a magnetic field strong enough to interfere with the airliner's own magnetic field, such as it's radio, transponder, other electrical devices or any of the aircraft's electronics?

We're all told to switch our computers etc over to airplane mode before take off as the devices may interfere with the aircraft's operation.

A hundred switched on 2-way radios next to the electronics bay might cause a stir.

Quite feasible. There are all sorts of odd harmonics that can occur in a situation like this.

Murphy's Law....if it's at all possible, it may well eventually happen.

However since they were lithium batteries (known for exploding or catching fire in certain circumstances), given the later circumstances my guess is that there was a fire and then everyone carked it from gas inhalation/oxygen starvation, turning it into a ghost flight.

Shortly after MH 370 switched off, another 777 pilot half an hour ahead of MH370 on the same route, was asked by air traffic control to try to contact MH370, which had not responded to their calls. The pilot tried and got a brief contact through lots of static, where a voice mumbled incomprehensibly in the background.

What was causing that static? The MH370 pilot was still conscious and aware, as he was attempting to reply, but maybe unaware of the static interference which was originating in his environment, not the other aircraft.

Could that static interference have come from the Motorola package of batteries and radios?

Sometimes companies use the same component (such as a chip) in different products, and may even use frequencies which overlap in different products.

It may somehow have all come together in an unfortunate turn of events.

Very possibly as Motorola/Freescale built most of the electronics used in the aircraft as well as the radios and batteries in the cargo bay, all using Freescale compatible semiconductors.

It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to hack into the avionics using a Motorola/Freescale 2-way radio, computer hacking by mobile phone is common.
That feasibility has already been demonstrated, if key components were in place.

If all the physical component parts are in place, a keyed in signal on a computer or cell phone from one of the Freescale employees on the deck above could initiate programs in the radios below designed to hack into and control the plane's avionics, so a hijack.

Who, or what can access the avionics and autopilot?

The uninterruptible autopilot program is accessible to and activated by either on-board sensors, ground control, other government agencies such as the CIA via radio and satellite, or by the pilots, or a passenger on board with a radio or cellphone.

Static interference from the Motorola package of electronics could cause radio communication to fail, while a cellphone on board could take over the autopilot.

All electronic components in the situation manufactured by Motorola/Freescale Semiconductors installed by Boeing and MAL.

Originally Posted by ENT

Very possibly as Motorola/Freescale built most of the electronics used in the aircraft as well as the radios and batteries in the cargo bay, all using Freescale compatible semiconductors.

It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to hack into the avionics using a Motorola/Freescale 2-way radio, computer hacking by mobile phone is common.
That feasibility has already been demonstrated, if key components were in place.

If all the physical component parts are in place, a keyed in signal on a computer or cell phone from one of the Freescale employees on the deck above could initiate programs in the radios below designed to hack into and control the plane's avionics, so a hijack.

Who, or what can access the avionics and autopilot?

The uninterruptible autopilot program is accessible to and activated by either on-board sensors, ground control, other government agencies such as the CIA via radio and satellite, or by the pilots, or a passenger on board with a radio or cellphone.

Static interference from the Motorola package of electronics could cause radio communication to fail, while a cellphone on board could take over the autopilot.

All electronic components in the situation manufactured by Motorola/Freescale Semiconductors installed by Boeing and MAL.

.And he's fucking off again.

Take your medicine harry.

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Fantastic stuff from Ent and Latindancer. Just a couple of queries that may throw a spanner or two into the works.

Lithium batteries have been suspected of causing the downfall of a plane or two in past. However in each case the pilots transmitted a Mayday. How did the fire not set off the smoke detectors?

What is an automatic uninterruptible autopilot?

Not that I want any sensible answers...

Nobody has mentioned snakes on a plane. Some of them could have taken out the electrics (as they manage to do regularly in the village) whilst the rest set about the passengers and crew. It may account for the rapid height gain, during the struggle with the pilots, as well as the low flight across the jungle as the female snakes and children parachuted to safety.

BS alert

The Dutch government has refused to reveal details of a secret pact between members of the Joint Investigation Team examining the downed Flight MH17. If the participants, including Ukraine, don’t want information to be released, it will be kept secret.

The respected Dutch publication Elsevier made a request to the Dutch Ministry of Security and Justice under the Freedom of Information Act to disclose the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) agreement, along with 16 other documents.

The JIT consists of four countries - the Netherlands, Belgium, Australia and Ukraine - who are carrying out an investigation into the MH17 disaster, but not Malaysia. Malaysian Airlines, who operated the flight, has been criticized for flying through a war zone.

Originally Posted by Troy

Lithium batteries have been suspected of causing the downfall of a plane or two in past. However in each case the pilots transmitted a Mayday. How did the fire not set off the smoke detectors?

What is an automatic uninterruptible autopilot?

a) I don't think a fire in the wheel well or a battery explosion caused MH370 to vanish.

b)A BUAP or Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot[/COLOR]

The Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot is a set of sub-routines in post-1995 Boeing aircraft (termed the Unauthorized Flight Detector), aimed at defeating attempts at aircraft hijacking by removing electrical power from the flight deck, and irrevocably passing pilot authority to the autopilot and navigational computer for an automated landing at a safe airfield that can deal effectively with the incident.

System
In a hijack situation, as per the patents' texts and Pilot Authority flow diagrams, BHUAP can remove all power to the cabin and cockpit.

The Aircraft Information Management System (AIMS) will still function normally, either through executing a programmed emergency flight plan, or by opening an RF data link to an external source (via the Mode S Transponder) to receive direct, remote flight management system instruction, or an up-linked flight plan transmitted to the aircraft.

The AIMS has direct control over the flight surfaces through the redundant Flight Control Computer directing the actuator controls, and together with the navigation computer and autopilot, requires no pilot input to fly and land the aircraft at a location suitable for resolving a hijack situation.

What is referred to as the "Unauthorized Flight Detector" in the patents lies within the software of the Line-replaceable units making up the Boeing-Honeywell AIMS system at the heart of Boeing aircraft manufactured after 1995, and it is programmed with the software routines that monitor for the emergency circumstances on which to initiate the Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot.
Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History
Contract for the system was awarded in 2006.[1] Installation began in 2007 with full implementation in Boeing craft anticipated by 2009.

However, the retroactive nature of the integration with key original craft systems prompted the manufacturer, the Boeing Corporation, to make disclaimers that it could no longer assure the craft could not in effect be hacked by non-authorized entities.

The proposed architecture is novel or unusual for commercial transport airplanes by enabling connection to previously isolated data networks connected to systems that perform functions required for the safe operation of the airplane.

This proposed data network and design integration may result in security vulnerabilities from intentional or unintentional corruption of data and systems critical to the safety and maintenance of the airplane.

The existing regulations and guidance material did not anticipate this type of system architecture or electronic access to aircraft systems.

Furthermore, regulations and current system safety assessment policy and techniques do not address potential security vulnerabilities, which could be caused by unauthorized access to aircraft data buses and servers.
Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by david44

Interesting update o the enquiry
It was a Malaysian plane
Going to Malaysia
With Malaysian crew
Malaysian owned
Many Malaysian passegers
ad the country to be exclude ftom the enquiry...is yes Malaysia

Saying that Malaysia's participation would "push for a more balanced power into the investigation," Harridon – whose views on the matter were also published in one of Malaysia's oldest newspapers, the New Strait Times – pointed out that the country being part of the investigation was only right and "legal."

Wrong plane you idiot.

History
Contract for the system was awarded in 2006.[1] Installation began in 2007 with full implementation in Boeing craft anticipated by 2009.

However, the retroactive nature of the integration with key original craft systems prompted the manufacturer, the Boeing Corporation, to make disclaimers that it could no longer assure the craft could not in effect be hacked by non-authorized entities.

The proposed architecture is novel or unusual for commercial transport airplanes by enabling connection to previously isolated data networks connected to systems that perform functions required for the safe operation of the airplane.

This proposed data network and design integration may result in security vulnerabilities from intentional or unintentional corruption of data and systems critical to the safety and maintenance of the airplane.

The existing regulations and guidance material did not anticipate this type of system architecture or electronic access to aircraft systems.

Furthermore, regulations and current system safety assessment policy and techniques do not address potential security vulnerabilities, which could be caused by unauthorized access to aircraft data buses and servers.
Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia