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    SNP want to keep the and independence.

    Selective independence or Salmond having his cake and scoffing it?

    The Scottish government has stated that in the event of independence it would seek to retain sterling as part of a formal currency union.

    "Similarly, in a monetary union between an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK the two parliaments would have to agree on whether fiscal rules were sufficient or whether similar risk-sharing mechanisms were necessary.

    BBC News - Scottish independence: Key extracts from Mark Carney speech

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    "Risk sharing mechanisms" - Does that mean the Royal Bank of Scotland pay's back the 40 Billion pound owed to the British tax payer before independence?

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    If they leave they can go and join the Euro - this should be made very clear to our friends up North...

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    Yes, especially because it's a good idea.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    If they leave they can go and join the Euro - this should be made very clear to our friends up North...
    They will have to have the Euro as there currency , any new member state of the E.U. HAS to have the euro as its currency, otherwise they cannot join the E.U.
    Scotland will have to apply to join the E.U. as a new member if it leaves the U.K. and one of E.U.s conditions of acceptance into the E.U. is to have the Euro as its currency

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    What a load of tosh from the usual clowns. Scotland is already a member of the EU. The dissolution of the act of union would leave england in the same position as Scotland.

    You should be careful what you wish for, excluding Scotland from the pound will remove the current backing of the value of oil reserves. It and the rUK would sink like a stone.

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    ^it doesn't work like that I'm afraid, little bruv. Even without Scotland, Great Britain will still be Great. Scotland a new will be needing to apply for EU membership; you'll probably get junior membership to start with just like Romania and Bulgaria.

    In for a penny, in for a , errm, euro...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie View Post
    What a load of tosh from the usual clowns. Scotland is already a member of the EU. The dissolution of the act of union would leave england in the same position as Scotland.

    You should be careful what you wish for, excluding Scotland from the pound will remove the current backing of the value of oil reserves. It and the rUK would sink like a stone.
    No, The U.K is part of the E.U.
    If Scotland leaves the U.K. Scotland will no longer be part of the U.K. and also Scotland wont be a part of the E.U . so Scotland would have to apply for membership of the E.U. and a requirement of being a member is to have the Euro as its currency

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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie View Post
    What a load of tosh from the usual clowns. Scotland is already a member of the EU. The dissolution of the act of union would leave england in the same position as Scotland.

    You should be careful what you wish for, excluding Scotland from the pound will remove the current backing of the value of oil reserves. It and the rUK would sink like a stone.
    I believe it would be wiser for the good Scots to sack the bladdy EU and re-associated themselves with their UK brethren.

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    A recent survey said that more English people want Scottish Independence than Scottish people do .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie View Post
    What a load of tosh from the usual clowns. Scotland is already a member of the EU. The dissolution of the act of union would leave england in the same position as Scotland.

    You should be careful what you wish for, excluding Scotland from the pound will remove the current backing of the value of oil reserves. It and the rUK would sink like a stone.
    North sea oil reserves will pail into insignificance when the Royal bank of Scotland has to pay back it's debt's
    Also when the ordinary Scottish resident realises they will have to pay university fees, prescription charges, old age care, lose money on the euro etc etc they will vote no!

    So where does that leave the "Braveheart" SNP?

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    The English girls demonstrate that the phrase 'hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' is true. There are several European organisations Scotland can join, if there's still plenty of oil and gas left, they might want to go the way of Norway. Out of the EU, independent currency, nationalisation of the oil and its exploitation by a state-owned company, not merely taxation.

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    Scottish independence plans dismissed as a 'work of fiction' as Alex Salmond insists he wants to keep the pound, the Queen and CBeebies

    Alex Salmond was accused of producing a ‘fantasy’ manifesto last night as he tried to shore up faltering public support for his dream of Scottish independence.

    Read more: Alex Salmond's plans for Scottish independence: 'We'll keep the pound, the Queen and Doctor Who' | Mail Online

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    The English girls demonstrate that the phrase 'hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' is true.
    It isnt England who says that Scotland must apply for E.U. membership , its the E.U. rules .
    I am not sure why you are being critical of England is not doing anything to stop Scotland leaving , most English people are in favour of Scotland going their own way and support their independence .
    Big Brother is tired of little Brother whinging about wanting his own room , give him his own room, just for the sake of peace and quiet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    The English girls demonstrate that the phrase 'hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' is true.
    It isnt England who says that Scotland must apply for E.U. membership , its the E.U. rules .
    I am not sure why you are being critical of England is not doing anything to stop Scotland leaving , most English people are in favour of Scotland going their own way and support their independence .
    Big Brother is tired of little Brother whinging about wanting his own room , give him his own room, just for the sake of peace and quiet
    ....and forget about his overspend in pocket money, when he comes with cap in hand begging for some more in a year with the apron strings still attached. We'll give him a few more billion and pat him on his head and say "run along now there's a good "Braveheart""....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    o Scotland would have to apply for membership of the E.U. and a requirement of being a member is to have the Euro as its currency
    It isn't a requirement of being an EU member to adopt the Euro as currency.

    That is why the UK can be in the EU and retain Sterling.

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    ^I'm not sure it's that easy Ghosty; Britain had enough power to bargain away and get some concessions. I don't think Germany and France want to give out easy concessions nowadays.

    It's not clear at all.

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    Is Scotland divided like Ireland is ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie View Post
    What a load of tosh from the usual clowns. Scotland is already a member of the EU. The dissolution of the act of union would leave england in the same position as Scotland.

    You should be careful what you wish for, excluding Scotland from the pound will remove the current backing of the value of oil reserves. It and the rUK would sink like a stone.
    No, The U.K is part of the E.U.
    If Scotland leaves the U.K. Scotland will no longer be part of the U.K. and also Scotland wont be a part of the E.U . so Scotland would have to apply for membership of the E.U. and a requirement of being a member is to have the Euro as its currency
    The EU will not allow Scotland to join, Too many regions in Europe watching closely.
    That's why Scotland needs the GBP.
    I also think you have to have had your own currency for two years prior to membership, like the Baltic States ?

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    ^^ Nope
    What it wants is to be a republic like Eire (Southern Ireland) Could still retain the Queen as head of state as Australia New Zealand and Canada.

    As a new Nation it would have to apply for membership to the EU. Scotland going its own way would be a complex and very expensive way for both countries. Armed services, Military installations, residency, passports border requirements etc. My god the civil service would be in heaven!

    As to wealth I believe that 80% of UK wealth is generated by the 1sq mile of the financial district within the city of London. Scotland independence will be a pain in the arse for all, but then if they want to go that road good luck to them.

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    If the Scottish get to vote for independence,the English people should get to vote if they are allowed to use our currency.
    Exchange rate not to good on Scottish currency.

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    is the UK part of the EU ? or is it each state in the UK that joined the EU ?

    can we kick all the UK bastards as once, except for the Irish of course, the true believer in Europe

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    I think it's in the hundreds of thousands (800,000, according to the press) the Scots that currently live in England but they have no vote. If they returned to Scotland after a possible 'yes' vote, who would pay their state pensions ?
    SiT is right, the civil servants are heading for their dreamland

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