How US College Football Fleeces Taxpayers

**barbaro** · 25-01-2014, 09:48 PM

Short and informative interview of an author of a book I want to pick up on my next visit, stateside.

I put this here because it's more "speaker's corner" than "sports."

**barbaro** · 25-01-2014, 09:55 PM

Addendum:

The NFL is included also.

**Rural Surin** · 25-01-2014, 10:05 PM

BIG, BIG, BIG corporate business.

Manipulating the dumbed down population accordingly.

**chassamui** · 25-01-2014, 11:58 PM

Who gives fuck about padded seppo nancy boys with helmets and no motorcycle.
Whimps. You deserve all the tax shafting you get.

**Neverna** · 26-01-2014, 02:11 AM

I'm surprised that NFL football is classed as a charity. The law should be changed so they pay tax.

As for the 400 dollars paid by student at the University of Maryland to subsidize the football program, is the answer to do away with all sports scholarships in the USA? Or just at the University of Maryland?

**barbaro** · 26-01-2014, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by Neverna

I'm surprised that NFL football is classed as a charity. The law should be changed so they pay tax.

Yeah, I learned the NFL is classified as a non-profit / not for profit.

Even though total revenue is $1 billion per year and the recent labor dispute 2 years ago (lockout) was about how to divide the pie.

**Norton** · 26-01-2014, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Manipulating the dumbed down population accordingly.

High school to college to NFL to riches. The dream of aspiring young superstars. A dream whose probability of coming true are miniscule.

Student athletes enjoy scholarships, special privileges, and ridiculously low academic standards. A few "make it" but the those who don't achieve the dream end up with a substandard education.

Huge money is spent and made in US schools to support sport programs. Much of this money comes from tax payers. Can't be denied schools in the US are simply training and sport development institutions to feed extremely profitable professional sports enterprises.

It is time to put an end to the NFL and other professional sport organizations using our "academic" institutions as free training programs to feed profitable professional sport.

Academic institutions must focus on academics! Let pro sports pay for their own player training and development. Young folks aspiring to a sport career can join sporting clubs funded by professional sports freeing up academic resources to be used to improve education. Do this and our academic institutions will produce a less "dumbed down population".

**barbaro** · 26-01-2014, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

It is time to put an end to the NFL and other professional sport organizations using our "academic" institutions as free training programs to feed profitable professional sport.

Indeed.

The NCAA is classified by many as a cartel.

A very corrupt organization. A complete scam.

**barbaro** · 28-01-2014, 12:11 PM

The NFL is a non-profit organization, under law.

Over $1 billion in revenue per year.

The National Football League is an unincorporated nonprofit 501(c)(6) association,[28] meaning its league office is not subject to income tax because it does not make a profit. In contrast, each individual team (except the non-profit Green Bay Packers[29]) is subject to tax because they make a profit.[30] The NFL considers itself a trade association made up of and financed by its 32 member teams.[31]

National Football League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**barbaro** · 29-01-2014, 08:25 AM

Here is a snippet and the link provides a video. One team is signing a petition to unionize. If you get injured you can lose your scholarship. It is, a start. Can it alter the behometh NCAA? No, but it will start a dialogue.

"Athletes are not employees, etc."

As I said the NCAA is a cartel. A scam.

Kain Colter starts union movement
Updated: January 28, 2014
By Tom Farrey | ESPN.com

Northwestern quarterback Kain Colter explains why he and his teammates decided to seek labor union representation.

Northwestern Players File With NLRB
For the first time in the history of college sports, athletes are asking to be represented by a labor union, taking formal steps on Tuesday to begin the process of being recognized as employees.

More from ESPN.com
MunsonLester Munson writes that the Northwestern football players' attempt at unionization is likely to fail, but the impact could still be far-reaching. Story

Ramogi Huma, president of the National College Players Association, filed a petition in Chicago on behalf of football players at Northwestern University, submitting the form at the regional office of the National Labor Relations Board.

Backed by the United Steelworkers union, Huma also filed union cards signed by an undisclosed number of Northwestern players with the NLRB -- the federal statutory body that recognizes groups that seek collective bargaining rights.

ESPN's "Outside The Lines" first broke the story.

"This is about finally giving college athletes a seat at the table," said Huma, a former UCLA linebacker who created the NCPA as an advocacy group in 2001. "Athletes deserve an equal voice when it comes to their physical, academic and financial protections."

“
Huma It's become clear that relying on NCAA policymakers won't work, that they are never going to protect college athletes, and you can see that with their actions over the past decade. Look at their position on concussions.
”
-- Ramogi Huma, NCPA president
Huma told "Outside The Lines" that the move to unionize players at Northwestern started with quarterback Kain Colter, who reached out to him last spring and asked for help in giving athletes representation in their effort to improve the conditions under which they play NCAA sports. Colter became a leading voice in regular NCPA-organized conference calls among players from around the country.

"The action we're taking isn't because of any mistreatment by Northwestern," Colter said. "We love Northwestern. The school is just playing by the rules of their governing body, the NCAA. We're interested in trying to help all players -- at USC, Stanford, Oklahoma State, everywhere. It's about protecting them and future generations to come.

"Right now the NCAA is like a dictatorship. No one represents us in negotiations. The only way things are going to change is if players have a union."

The NCAA responded with a statement from Chief Legal Officer Donald Remy, who said "student-athletes are not employees within any definition of the National Labor Relations Act" and that there is no existing employment relationships between the "NCAA, its affiliated institutions or student-athletes."

"This union-backed attempt to turn student-athletes into employees undermines the purpose of college: an education," Remy said in the statement. "Student-athletes are not employees, and their participation in college sports is voluntary. We stand for all student-athletes, not just those the unions want to professionalize."

Entire: Outside The Lines -- Northwestern Wildcats football players trying to join labor union - ESPN

**bsnub** · 29-01-2014, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by chassamui

Who gives fuck about padded seppo nancy boys with helmets and no motorcycle.

You are fucking clueless. The pads actually make for a harder hitting game then rugby. Since its inception only 71 rugby players have died playing the sport. In 1908 before football players used pads 19 players died that year alone. That prompted the president Teddy Rosevelt to order the use of pads after there where calls to ban the violent sport. See here;

"Nevertheless, injuries and deaths from football, though reduced, continued to plague the game. For example, the National Center For Catastrophic Sport Injury Research has reported that between the years 1931-2006 there have been 1,006 direct and 683 indirect deaths in America from playing football at all levels from sandlot to the pros -- more than 20 per year on average"

Here the opinion of a fellow limey;

"according to Jim McKenna, a professor of physical activity and health at Leeds Metropolitan University (and a rugby coach). He points out that American footballers tackle with their heads, butting each other in a way seldom seen in rugby. "They butt the opposition and their head is the tip of the missile, with an enormous body of weight behind them," says McKenna. Meanwhile, the helmets and padding the US sportsmen wear can actually make the situation worse, he thinks, encouraging them to use more force."

From a Rugby clubs own website;

"These huge collisions are mostly nonexistent in rugby because of the the lack of padding, lack of helmet, and rules that insist the tackler make contact below the armpit of the player to be tackled and the tackler make an attempt to wrap (thus eliminating head-to-head contact and shoulder charges).

Another major contributing factor is that in football, offensive players are often looking backwards over thier shoulder for the ball while the defensive player is in front of them. There is no way for the offensive player to see the hit coming and prepare himself for the contact. In rugby, the ball must always be passed backwards, and the defense is in front of the ball and much closer. The offensive player is able to see the ball coming and simultaneously the tackler, allowing the player to prepare for contact."

The pads just changed the way the game was played as the players just hit each other with more reckless abandon.

So the fact is that in just three years more Americans die playing football then have died in the entire history of rugby.

Currently several former players are suing the NFL due to brain injuries suffered playing football. The damages will approach one billion dollars.

So piss off with your trolling nonsense. Rugby players do not hit each other the same way and the contact is much more soft then the constant full speed shoulder and helmet contact that occurs in American football.

**chassamui** · 29-01-2014, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

So the fact is that in just three years more Americans die playing football then have died in the entire history of rugby.

All your evidence points to Rugby being a civilised battle controlled by laws designed to protect the players, without resorting to additional padding.
Any ethical sporting body would provide such protection for its athletes. The case you make just proves the game played in the US is barbaric as well as boring. Professional Rugby is played by true athletes with very high standards of physical conditioning. Your sport is played by obese individuals who use padding as an excuse not to train.
That is all.

**barbaro** · 29-01-2014, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by bsnub

So the fact is that in just three years more Americans die playing football then have died in the entire history of rugby.

All your evidence points to Rugby being a civilised battle controlled by laws designed to protect the players, without resorting to additional padding.
Any ethical sporting body would provide such protection for its athletes. The case you make just proves the game played in the US is barbaric as well as boring. Professional Rugby is played by true athletes with very high standards of physical conditioning. Your sport is played by obese individuals who use padding as an excuse not to train.
That is all.

Sounds like a different angle now, than you originally posted in this thread.

This thread is not about what sports you think are boring.

Rugby is boring, IMO. A lot of sports are.

Start your own thread, since you are derailing this one. This thread is about 2 organizations.

**chassamui** · 29-01-2014, 01:08 PM

Here you go snubs. Enjoy.

**chassamui** · 29-01-2014, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by barbaro

Sounds like a different angle now, than you originally posted in this thread. This thread is not about what sports you think are boring. Rugby is boring, IMO. A lot of sports are. Start your own thread, since you are derailing this one. This thread is about 2 organizations.

You have a professional game funded by fraud. We have a professional game, which is self funding.
I would have thought the connection was obvious.
If you are happy to support a pantomime that's fine.

You cannot choose who posts on any thread just because you don't like the response. It's a forum you dopy old hypochondriac.

**bsnub** · 29-01-2014, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

All your evidence points to Rugby being a civilised battle controlled by laws designed to protect the players

There are plenty of rules in the American football to protect players but you can only go so far before you change the nature of the game. Just pure pompous arrogance. I love how you limely love to hold yourselves as the civilised high standard in the world when you have mindless youths who run out of control and burn half of London down.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Any ethical sporting body would provide such protection for its athletes.

The NFL has lead sport in protecting athletes so this is really nonsense.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Professional Rugby is played by true athletes with very high standards of physical conditioning. Your sport is played by obese individuals who use padding as an excuse not to train.

This is complete horseshit. Most rugby players would never even be recruited to play American football on the collegiate level let alone the NFL. The caliber of athletes in the NFL is far, far higher then the average rugby player.

Simply put NFL players are bigger, stronger, run faster and hit harder then rugby players. In many cases they are Olympic caliber athletes.

**bsnub** · 29-01-2014, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

Here you go snubs. Enjoy.

No comparison there. The NFL players hit far far harder.

**barbaro** · 29-01-2014, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by barbaro

Sounds like a different angle now, than you originally posted in this thread. This thread is not about what sports you think are boring. Rugby is boring, IMO. A lot of sports are. Start your own thread, since you are derailing this one. This thread is about 2 organizations.

You have a professional game funded by fraud. We have a professional game, which is self funding.
I would have thought the connection was obvious.
If you are happy to support a pantomime that's fine.

Fair point: you should have noted it in the beginning before going on your nationality-rant,

You cannot choose who posts on any thread just because you don't like the response.

I never said I could choose.

It's a forum you dopy old hypochondriac.

That's it. This is war!

**bsnub** · 29-01-2014, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

You have a professional game funded by fraud.

What evidence do you have of that? The NFL is the most profitable professional sport in the world by far and makes a profit of almost a billion dollars a year more then double the next sport on the list.

**chassamui** · 29-01-2014, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

The NFL has lead sport in protecting athletes so this is really nonsense.

So your earlier point about high death rates was a lie then?

Originally Posted by bsnub

you have mindless youths who run out of control and burn half of London down.

Very few Brits in London. And it was one incident two and a half years ago.Compare that to the mass of regular shootings, murder and mayhem in USA every day. Detroit, Chicago and most parts of California.

Originally Posted by bsnub

This is complete horseshit. Most rugby players would never even be recruited to play American football on the collegiate level let alone the NFL. The caliber of athletes in the NFL is far, far higher then the average rugby player. Simply put NFL players are bigger, stronger, run faster and hit harder then rugby players. In many cases they are Olympic caliber athletes.

Most Rugby players would not need to have their lardy asses educated by a tax fraud called scholarship. Given the high failure rates you would have hoped they got beyond readin' and writin'. Most don't.
Sorry but your fantasy about highly trained athletes in a well run sport just does not hold water. They die more often and they are mostly dense fuckwits with poor education standards. The need for them to wear padding to protect their obesity from a poorly constructed sport run by fraudsters, tells you all you need to know.
Why do millions of dumb American tune in to watch a supposedly action sport, when 90% of the screen time is taken up by ads and a few sideshows.

Originally Posted by bsnub

No comparison there. The NFL players hit far far harder.

You only watched the first half didn't you snubs? Did the war dance scare you off?

Originally Posted by barbaro

Fair point: you should have noted it in the beginning before going on your nationality-rant,

Like I said, it would have been obvious to most people. Why should I dumb down my posts just for you?

**bsnub** · 29-01-2014, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

Most Rugby players would not need to have their lardy asses educated by a tax fraud called scholarship. Given the high failure rates you would have hoped they got beyond readin' and writin'. Most don't.
Sorry but your fantasy about highly trained athletes in a well run sport just does not hold water. They die more often and they are mostly dense fuckwits with poor education standards. The need for them to wear padding to protect their obesity from a poorly constructed sport run by fraudsters, tells you all you need to know.
Why do millions of dumb American tune in to watch a supposedly action sport, when 90% of the screen time is taken up by ads and a few sideshows.

You have never been to the US have you? It really rings through in all you posts across the forum. You really don't know jack shit about America or much else for that matter. You come across as some dense nitwit stumbling around the forum with a chip on his shoulder.

The fact is that NFL players make a huge amount more money then rugby players. If they could hack playing in the NFL they would be coming over to play and lining thier pockets with gold. If it was just a bunch of undisciplined morons running around on the field it should be easy yes?

The fact is that American football is one of the most complex sports on the planet if not the most complex. It is highly organized and almost every player moves in concert with the other. I played football from the time I was a young boy. The dedication and work that it required is unparalleled in any other spot I played. During the summer months even young boys practice twice a day. Once in the morning before the sun comes up and once again after school. It is gruelling and not something most people could handle let alone a teen.

You really should piss off back to your kindle thread because you know fuck all what you are talking about here. With every spiteful pathetic post you make you just look like more of an imbecile.

**barbaro** · 29-01-2014, 02:40 PM

[QUOTE=bsnub;2685947]

Originally Posted by chassamui

The fact is that American football is one of the most complex sports on the planet if not the most complex. It is highly organized and almost every player moves in concert with the other.

True.

I think of football as like a chess game.

Offensive and defensive schemes, adjustments, audibles, zone blocking vs. man-to-man, pistol formation, wildcat formation, Air Offense, blitzing, and many team and individual factors, including make split-second decisions.

One example out of many is the recent discussion and use of the "Option Read" or "Zone Read." This is only 1 out of many.

Option Read: #3 and #4 are the best, simplified explanations.

1:

2:

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4:

**chassamui** · 29-01-2014, 03:08 PM

yawn.

You can provide no actual evidence to support your opinion, or refute the position I have taken.

Easy option, resort to personal attacks and flail wildly at the moon.

I had forgotten how esay it was to bring you house of cards down. Dry your eyes and go back to fary fighting with boon mee.

I'm done with you now. Funny little man.

Bsnub tilting at windmills since forever. lol

**bsnub** · 29-01-2014, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

You can provide no actual evidence to support your opinion, or refute the position I have taken.

I have provided plenty of evidence you have merely engaged in ad hominem attacks. Typical of your foaming at the mouth anti-Americanism. Rugby is a girls game played by pansies and powder puffs viewed by homosexuals like yourself. Football is played by real men.

What I would like to know is have you ever played contact sport? It sure seems like you are just an armchair wanker.

**barbaro** · 29-01-2014, 03:37 PM

Chassamui,

What do think of the 3-4 vs. the 4-3 on defense?

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