Thread: Democrat shutdown: viscious vindictive mean-spirited

Derpa derpa, the memorials were shut because the GOP shut down the government, duh!

The WSJ/NBC Poll Is a Complete Republican Rout


The WSJ/NBC poll contains even worse news for the GOP than the Gallup result:

Participants in the poll gave the Republican Party overall its lowest marks in the history of Journal polling, which goes back to 1989: More than twice as many hold a negative view of the GOP as a positive one.

53% of those polled blamed Republicans for the shutdown, compared with 31% who blamed Mr. Obama—numbers that showed the GOP taking a worse beating than the party did 17 years ago during the last extended shutdown, under President Bill Clinton

Many Republican respondents were unsparing in their view of what their representatives have been doing:

More than a third of Republicans disapproved of how their party’s members in Congress are doing their job, while nearly 40% said congressional Republicans were putting the party’s agenda above the good of the country.

When that many people in your own party are against what you’ve been doing, it is absurd to believe that you are in a position to “win” anything.

Now, before Boontard starts crying that this is another liberal media attack on the GOP, let me share with you the source:


The WSJ/NBC Poll Is a Complete Republican Rout | The American Conservative

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Many Republican respondents were unsparing in their view of what their representatives have been doing: More than a third of Republicans disapproved of how their party’s members in Congress are doing their job, while nearly 40% said congressional Republicans were putting the party’s agenda above the good of the country.

Clearly, it's the Tea Party that are RINOS.

you can't help but repeat your overlords crap over and over and over... mindless sheeple who watch faux news and read conservative blogs...

give it up Skippy... we all know who shut down the government....

Originally Posted by Pound Hound

you can't help but repeat your overlords crap over and over and over... mindless sheeple who watch faux news and read conservative blogs...

give it up Skippy... we all know who shut down the government....

Digging that hole even deeper are ya, hound?

Check the source bud - it's C-Span

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Check the source bud - it's C-Span

Bull. The only link in that steaming pile of a post you made is from a rightwing wacko site "moonbattery.com". The video is just some pasty face repubtard spewing talking points like a robot..

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Check the source bud - it's C-Span

Bull. The only link in that steaming pile of a post you made is from a rightwing wacko site "moonbattery.com". The video is just some pasty face repubtard spewing talking points like a robot..

Desperation time, eh?

Big loss of Face closing those Parks & Monuments just out of spite. As a gentle reminder, one of the examples of how small & spiteful Obama is:

Family that Paid $2,000 for Permit Not Allowed to Raft - "Sorry for the inconvenience," it read.

That’s when rangers told them they wouldn’t be able to put in on the river the next day, despite having paid $2,000 for a permit to do so.

The news was shattering, Scott Lee said. The GOP have agreed to fund the parks. Obama has threatened a veto.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Desperation time, eh?

Yes your party is collapsing so yes they are deperate.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Big loss of Face closing those Parks & Monuments just out of spite.

No one cares. Its over you lost.

Originally Posted by bsnub

o one cares. Its over you lost.

AGAIN ????????????

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Big loss of Face closing those Parks & Monuments just out of spite

Did Bill Clinton close them out of spite too, when Newt Gingrich & co closed down the US govt?

How many bills did the Republicans submit with defunding for the ACA in before they realised they weren't going to win and caved?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

How many bills did the Republicans submit with defunding for the ACA in before they realised they weren't going to win and caved?

It ain't over yet, bud...

And now it's a pivot from "Obama shutdown" to "Brilliant Republican strategy"!

This is from the CEO of FreedomWorks:

FreedomWorks CEO: Shutdown, Debt Crisis Were 'Brilliant Republican Strategy'

If the goal was to drive their party's approval rating into the toilet, then yes, it was brilliant.

Well this would hardly be surprising to most.

Obama adviser ‘architect’ of showdown: author

President Obama’s top adviser Valerie Jarrett was behind a plan to force a showdown with Republicans over ObamaCare as part of a strategy to regain Democratic control of the House next year, claims author Ed Klein.

Klein — who wrote a provocative biography about Obama last year entitled “The Amateur” — said White House insiders refer to Jarrett as “The Night Stalker” because she is the only presidential aide who frequently spends time in the family quarters and dines with the Obamas.

Klein, who is conducting a research for a new Obama tome scheduled for next spring, called Jarrett the “architect” of Obama’s take-no- prisoners approach when it comes to his signature domestic policy initiative.

It was Jarrett who advised Obama that voters would mostly blame Republicans if the federal government ground to a halt, providing a golden opportunity to swing back control of the House to Democrats in the 2014 mid-term elections, according to Klein.
A Democratic House would give Obama an opportunity to pass immigration and other legislation blocked by the current Republican majority.

“It was during one of those nightly sessions that Jarrett devised the no-negotiating strategy that Obama has employed in his fight with the GOP over the government shutdown,” Klein said, citing sources within the administration.

“Valerie came up with the concept late at night, after the kids and grandma and were gone.”

“She convinced the president that a government shutdown and default offered a great opportunity to demonize the Republicans and help the Democrats win back a majority in the House of Representatives in 2014 .

. . Valerie also came with the idea of using the words `hostage’, and `ransom,’ and `terrorists’ against the Republicans,’” Klein said.

Jarrett, who like the Obamas hails from Chicago, has deep ties to the president, First Lady Michelle and the extended family.
“Everyone in the Beltway knew Valerie Jarrett was influential. They didn’t know how influential she was,” said Klein, who interviewed more than a half dozen White House and former presidential advisers about the shutdown strategy.
“Her power derived from one simple fact — proximity, No one except Michelle Obama is closer to the president than Valerie,” Klein quoted Democratic power broker Vernon Jordan as saying. Jordan’s wife is a cousin of Jarrett.

Jarrett is the one who advised Obama “do not cooperate one iota on ObamaCare. Don’t given an inch. Let the Republicans stew in their own juice,“ Klein said.
“The Republicans walked into a trap set up by Valerie Jarrett and President Obama, The Republicans are in an untenable position,” he added.

Klein said Jarrett is the conscience of the administration, “the keeper of the flame” who reminds Obama why he wanted to become president.
“The government shutdown is about protecting ObamaCare, yes. But it’s much larger than that. It’s about the 2014 House elections,” said Klein.
The White House had no immediate comment.

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Not surprising to any one who is not a LIV, that's for sure.

ValJar has been Obama's 'balls' from the get-go...

Originally Posted by Gilbert

President Obama’s top adviser Valerie Jarrett was behind a plan to force a showdown with Republicans over ObamaCare as part of a strategy to regain Democratic control of the House next year, claims author Ed Klein.

This is the same "reporter" that said that Obama rudely walked out of a meeting with Netanyahu in Israel to go have dinner with Michelle and the kids. The fact that Michelle and kids were still in the US was a fact that escaped his keen journalistic skills.

"We're very excited," said Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.). "It's exactly what we wanted, and we got it."

How very Machiavellian of Jarrett to realize that the public would blame Republicans for something the Republicans wanted to do. If Jarret advised Obama that this would blow up in GOP's face it sounds like he is surrounding himself with some pretty smart advisers. So he's got that going for him.

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Klein — who wrote a provocative biography about Obama last year entitled “The Amateur”

So he's saying that Repubs walked into an obvious trap and Obama is the 'Amateur'? Ed Klein is an author in the same sense that an asylum inmate writing on the wall in their own poop is.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

It ain't over yet, bud...

But, it is.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

How many bills did the Republicans submit with defunding for the ACA in before they realised they weren't going to win and caved?

It ain't over yet, bud...

Yep, I can see the GOP still trying to repeal the ACA in 2032 when that asteroid is about to destroy the earth.

So long as we have the likes of 'Our Ted', the effort to shit-can Obamacare will live.

Actually, though, there's some from both sides of the aisle that pubically admit Obamacare will most likely implode on its own...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So long as we have the likes of 'Our Ted', the effort to shit-can Obamacare will live.

Actually, though, there's some from both sides of the aisle that pubically admit Obamacare will most likely implode on its own...

Booners, hasn't your Junior GOP come up with any decent new memes yet?

You look a little lost mate.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Actually, though, there's some from both sides of the aisle that pubically admit Obamacare will most likely implode on its own...

If that is the case then why is it so vital to defund or repeal it? Those against it should sit back and reap the political victories of its failure...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So long as we have the likes of 'Our Ted', the effort to shit-can Obamacare will live.

Actually, though, there's some from both sides of the aisle that pubically admit Obamacare will most likely implode on its own...

Dream on Boontard. Despite a really fvcked up launch, the Affordable Care Act, aka "Obamacare" is off to a great start!

California Man Gets Health Insurance For $1 Per Month Through Obamacare





Healthcare.gov Sees ‘Nearly Half a Million’ Applications

Healthcare.gov Sees ‘Nearly Half a Million’ Applications - ABC News

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Despite a really fvcked up launch, the Affordable Care Act, aka "Obamacare" is off to a great start!

The "failure" with Obamacare is that so many people want/need it. It's like claiming the latest iPhone is a failure if the stores run out of them in the first week of sales.

The biggest game companies regularly crash their servers on launch days, not sure why the supposedly incompetent federal government is expected to do better than the almighty free market.

They Are Actually Doing It!

Americans Sign Petition to Support “Nazi-Style Orwellian Police State”

Citing issues with how the government shutdown has impacted the ability of the police to “keep the community safe,” [the interviewer] tells San Diegans that there is a need to “increase the Orwellian system.”

“Not a problem,” responds one man as he signs the petition.

“We just want to model it after the Nazi Germany system to keep people safe and secure,” Dice tells another individual.

After signing the petition to “implement the Orwellian police state,” another man responds, “You find the pot of money though,” apparently more concerned about how much a Nazi-style police state would cost than its actual consequences.

“They’re trying to cut the budget by 20 per cent so we just want to make sure that we can model the police state after the Nazi Germany system,” Dice tells another couple who sign the petition, before adding, “Thanks for supporting the police state.”

“We’re going to model it after the Nazi Germany-style police state,” Dice clearly tells another man who signs the petition.

“We need this Orwellian-style system to keep everybody safe,” Dice tells a woman as she is signing the petition, to which she responds, “Yeah.”

See how easy these lambs are being led to slaughter? Beyond the level of LIV's or what?

Fox & Friends co-host Steve Doocy claimed on October 16 that Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett was "the architect of the shutdown," continuing the network's pattern of excusing Republicans of blame for the impasse. But the federal government shut down on October 1 after Republicans refused to fund the government without unrealistic policy changes to the Affordable Care Act, and reports from after the shutdown began explained how Republicans changed congressional rules to ensure federal gridlock. Talking Points Memo (TPM) explained:

The House and Senate were at an impasse on the night of Sept. 30. The House's then-most-recent ploy for extracting Obamacare concessions from Senate Democrats and the White House -- by eliminating health insurance subsidies for Congress members and their staffs -- had been rejected by the Senate. The 'clean' Senate spending bill was back in the House's court.

With less than two hours to midnight and shutdown, Speaker John Boehner's latest plan emerged. House Republicans would "insist" on their latest spending bill, including the anti-Obamacare provision, and request a conference with the Senate to resolve the two chambers' differences.

Under normal House rules, according to House Democrats, once that bill had been rejected again by the Senate, then any member of the House could have made a motion to vote on the Senate's bill. Such a motion would have been what is called "privileged" and entitled to a vote of the full House. At that point, Democrats say, they could have joined with moderate Republicans in approving the motion and then in passing the clean Senate bill, averting a shutdown.

But previously, House Republicans had made a small but hugely consequential move to block them from doing it.

[...]

So unless House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) wanted the Senate spending bill to come to the floor, it wasn't going to happen. And it didn't.

Congressional experts told TPM that such a move is highly unusual:

"I've never heard of anything like that before," Norm Ornstein, resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, told TPM.

"It is absolutely true that House rules tend to not have any explicit parliamentary rights guaranteed and narrowed to explicit party leaders," Sarah Binder, a congressional expert at the Brookings Institution, told TPM. "That's not typically how the rules are written."

When House Democrats attempted to bring the Senate bill funding the government to a vote on October 12, they were told by a presiding Republican member that they could not do so due to the GOP leadership's rule change. A House Republican aide later confirmed the rule change to CNN.

Doocy's misleading effort to place all of the blame for the shutdown instead on Jarrett relied on a New York Post article that extensively quoted Klein, who used anonymous sources to claim she had devised the strategy in consultation with the president:

President Obama's top adviser Valerie Jarrett was behind a plan to force a showdown with Republicans over ObamaCare as part of a strategy to regain Democratic control of the House next year, claims author Ed Klein.

[...]

"It was during one of those nightly sessions that Jarrett devised the no-negotiating strategy that Obama has employed in his fight with the GOP over the government shutdown," Klein said, citing sources within the administration.

"Valerie came up with the concept late at night, after the kids and grandma and were gone."

"She convinced the president that a government shutdown and default offered a great opportunity to demonize the Republicans and help the Democrats win back a majority in the House of Representatives in 2014.

But Klein has been criticized in the past by both mainstream and conservative media -- even by Fox News -- for his shoddy sourcing for his claims about the Obama White House and the Clintons. The Boston Globe's review of Klein's book The Truth About Hillary described his research as consisting "mostly of anonymous interviews of the kind one finds in newspaper tabloids," making him look "like an author devoid of credibility." Conservative Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan called that book "poorly written, poorly thought, poorly sourced, full of the kind of loaded language that is appropriate to a polemic but not an investigative work." In a Fox News interview, the Washington Examiner's Byron York noted that the book "was denounced as a whole pack of lies by everybody involved," and Fox host Greta Van Susteren agreed that it was "widely denounced" outside of the Clintons' friends. Klein's book about President Obama, called The Amateur, pushed similarly anonymous claims and included falsehoods about the president's actions and approval numbers.

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