Thread: Will the GOP Force a Govt Shutdown and/or Debt Default?

Well for all the talk of them giving in at the last minute it looks like they have called Obama's bluff
link here

US government shutdown after Congress fails to pass budget following attempt to delay Obamacare | Mail Online

Now what ?

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

Now what ?

Let them starve, until the starving people start taking action. Vandalise, burn down republican facilities- and start seeing the true patriotism of the neo-'republican' (at least the ones with money). They will flee offshore, to Israel or Dubai, etc. Amerka will be better off withour them- be sure to plunder and destroy their property in their absence, let them know they are not welcome back. Those halflings only know one language- Greed. They have ruined a once great nation.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

they have called Obama's bluff

Obama is standing his ground as he should. It is the GOP who has shot themselves in the foot here. We will have to wait and see what is next. Over the next week there will be some critical deadlines..

Wait until it starts hitting the hip pocket nerve- then the much overdue fun will begin. Of course the President and the Democrat party should stay put. Why wouldn't they?

from a non American perspective it looks to me like Obama is having his Arthur Scargill moment.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

from a non American perspective it looks to me like Obama is having his Arthur Scargill moment.

No offense but you have no clue what the fuck you are talking about.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

from a non American perspective it looks to me like Obama is having his Arthur Scargill moment.

I'm not American but I see quite the reverse. I see a bunch of Republican so-called grown-ups acting like a bunch of kids having a tantrum.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Despite your fantasy, in just about every poll out there, more voters blame the Republicans for it than anyone else.

They simply are not fit to serve the people.

The entire Congress with exception of a few like Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul etc are not fit to serve - I agree. And, it's not so much a big deal if the government shuts down, what folks should be afraid of is it starting up again.

It's funny, the very people you call an exception are the cancer that's hurting the GOP. Jaysus, even Biden made Ryan look like a blustering fool.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Despite your fantasy, in just about every poll out there, more voters blame the Republicans for it than anyone else.

They simply are not fit to serve the people.

The entire Congress with exception of a few like Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul etc are not fit to serve - I agree. And, it's not so much a big deal if the government shuts down, what folks should be afraid of is it starting up again.

It's funny, the very people you call an exception are the cancer that's hurting the GOP. Jaysus, even Biden made Ryan look like a blustering fool.

when's the last time you saw paul ryan on TV or giving an interview about the shutdown? it's been a while. and the reason is simple...it's because he knows not to get anywhere near this disaster of a GOP shutdown if he's going to try an run again in 2016.

a few others keeping their distance: paul, christie, and jindal. notice a theme?

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

they have called Obama's bluff

Obama is standing his ground as he should. It is the GOP who has shot themselves in the foot here. We will have to wait and see what is next. Over the next week there will be some critical deadlines..

IMO (and i think most would agree) the biggest approaching deadline is the debt default on oct. 17.

if GOP can't get that done in time, then everyone had better have their stop-loss orders placed....if they haven't sold already.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

Just like Scargill Obama is set in his mind that he win win when he has already shown he has lost.

already lost, eh? how's that then?

the overwhelming majority of americans blame republicans for the shutdown...and IMO that number is only going to go up.
obamacare isn't affected AT ALL by the republican forced shutdown. enrollment is taking place as i type...at this very moment people are signing up.

but OK, go ahead and give us specifics on how obama has already lost.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

First time in sevenrteen years and under the great Obama

yeah, and when was the last time?

1996....with republicans running the house and clinton (D) in the white house.

gingrich shutdown the govt.....he eventually caved due to public pressure....he lost his position as speaker of the house....eventually resigned in shame.

so i gotta ask.....how'd that turn out for you?

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

the coming months will see the great Messiah exposed for the fraud he really is.

we've been hearing this from your ilk for nearly sixty months.

you do realize he was just re-elected, right?

he's not going anywhere for 3 more years....and obamacare will be around long after everyone on this board is dead and buried. it will become part of the social contract just like social security and medicare.....by the way, guess who was against both of those programs.....yep.....republicans.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

Luckily for me I am not American so can sit back and enjoy

well, i for one hope you learn something while you're sitting back and enjoying...because bsnub is right....you really don't have any idea what you're talking about.

recent polling data:

Forty-six percent of respondents would blame congressional Republicans, 36 percent would blame Obama and 13 percent would blame both.

Sixty-nine percent said that the GOP is acting like "spoiled children" in the budget fight, while 58 percent think that of congressional Democrats and 49 percent think that of President Barack Obama.

Six in 10 respondents reject the GOP's approach and think it is more important to avoid a shutdown than to make major changes to the Affordable Care Act.

CNN Poll: Republicans would bear the brunt of shutdown blame - CNN.com

but wait....there's more:

Americans oppose defunding Obamacare by a plurality of 44 percent to 38 percent.

Opposition to defunding increases sharply when the issue of shutting down the government and defaulting is included. In that case, Americans oppose defunding 59 percent to 19 percent, with 18 percent of respondents unsure. The final 4 percent is a group of people who want to defund Obamacare, but become unsure when asked if they still hold that view if it means shutting down the government.

Most Americans against defunding Obamacare: Survey

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

Obama is set in his mind that he win win when he has already shown he has lost.

ACA was passed by the house, then the senate and signed into law by Obama.

It was then upheld by SCOTUS and despite 42 attempts by the Repubs to mess with it it is still the the law of the land.

What exactly do you think Obama has lost?

the president's message to active military about the GOP shutdown:

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

Obama is set in his mind that he win win when he has already shown he has lost.

ACA was passed by the house, then the senate and signed into law by Obama.

It was then upheld by SCOTUS and despite 42 attempts by the Repubs to mess with it it is still the the law of the land.

What exactly do you think Obama has lost?

I'd like the answer to this as well. If you think it's the love and affection of the GOP, I don't think he had it in the first place. They aren't hot on darkies.

Government Shuts Down, Nation Descends into Riots, Looting and Cannibalism

The United States of America (1787-2013) came to a swift and sudden end last night as the government shut down. The nation which had survived Pearl Harbor, the War of 1812 and Jimmy Carter ceased to exist.

The savage population, which had only been kept in line through a policy of rigorous gun confiscations, food stamps and Green Energy programs unleashed its pent up rage in a spree of riots, looting and mass murder that had only previously been encountered in Somalia.

"The government shut down! We can do anything we like," shouted Sam Hasbley of Grassley, Iowa, while tearing the tag off a mattress despite an explicit warning label forbidding such a dangerous course of action. "Tear yours off. The government is shut down. It can't stop you."

Eyewitnesses spoke of further horrors. On a quiet street in suburban Massachusetts, a man brought out a set of highly illegal lawn darts. In Maryland, there were allegations that an entire family had begun digging ditches to collect rainwater runoff.

With the fall of the government, citizen activists took it upon themselves to chronicle the culture of lawlessness. Men played Gibson guitars made of wood imported from India, but not finished by Indian workers. Women bought cold medicine without a photo ID. Children went hours without hearing lectures about the environment.

The victims were many. In Chuckolod County, Colorado, a transgender person was denied access to the Ladies Room. Frantic calls to the Justice Department were forwarded to an answering service in Depar, India, instead of Doneparre City, Indiana. In Brooklyn, New York, an overweight Senegalese woman was unable to obtain a sign language interpreter while waiting on line to collect her free Obamaphone. In Olegon Falls, Florida, the National Museum of Native American Yarn was forced to shut down depriving schoolchildren of an educational experience and three hours throwing bits of yarn at each other.

And there was worse to come.

The entire city of Detroit was seized by the Michigan Militia backed by Canadian air power. The village of Frankfurt, Illinois passed several ordinances in explicit violation of Title MXVIII of the Federal Charter of Approved Fruit Naming Ordinances. North Dakota seceded and declared that it was now the nation of Bismarckia, elected a Kaiser and petitioned to join OPEC.

An army of Mongols or possibly local residents dressed in Samurai helmets raided the Federal Dried Peach Reserve in Georgia hauling away thousands of tons of dried fruit and tossed them to waiting crowds. The end of food stamps in Martho, New Jersey led to an outbreak of cannibalism despite efforts by ACORN volunteers to bring order to the proceedings by soliciting volunteers to give up their privilege and be fed to the people.

In Massey Hills, Virginia, a gang of politically incorrect sports mascots entered a workplace and implicitly hurt the feelings of several minorities. Their calls to the Justice Department were forwarded to Eric Holder's private voicemail along with frequent messages from his coke dealer demanding to be paid, like right now, and requests for weapons manuals from several Mexican cartel bosses.

In Madison, Wisconsin, the entire United Organized Educators and Librarians Union attempted to commit mass suicide on the front lawn of the Madison Center of Union History to protest budget cuts and school closings. Their efforts proved in vain when the gasoline they poured on themselves in a failed attempt at self-immolation turned out to be apple juice.

In Caplow City, Maine, President Gerald Ford, long thought dead and believed to have been buried in Michigan, appeared and declared himself to be the nation's new leader. While some suspect him to be an impostor based on the plastic texture of his mask which has a hastily erased message reading "Impeach Nixon" on the side, the city fathers have chosen to embrace the possibilities offered by Emperor Ford and have set him up in style in a presidential palace on the eight floor of the Caplow Arms Hotel.

In the midst of all this chaos, a weary nation's eyes turn to Washington D.C. But since the shutdown, which also shut off all power, water and press releases to the embattled city, no word has reached the outside world of what is taking place there. The last message was a smoke signal dispatched by Elizabeth Warren from the roof of a burning Capitol Building. An expert in Native American smoke signals decoded it to read, "I told you so. Now we're all doomed."

The only surviving member of the national government outside the dead zone is believed to be Vice President Joseph Biden who showed up on a beach in Waddiddi, Florida, where he has spent hours entertaining himself by building an elaborate 1/100 scale model of the White House out of sand. Attempts to inform him that the tide was coming in have fallen on deaf ears.

As the nation descends into chaos, one thing is clear. The government shutdown has once again doomed us all. Just like the last 17 times.

Sultan Knish

Originally Posted by S Landreth

American voters disapprove 74 - 17 percent

I'm afraid the stern disapproval of the US people, as stated in the latest opinion poll, is no longer enough. Your Congressional system is dysfunctional- to put it mildly. The same politician who may see this and wince slightly (when has 'public approva'l of the republicans in congress been anything but abysmal?) is a member of the same cadre that felt quite entitled to reject the views of some 87% of the population, and reject outright the mildest, most furtive form of gun control legislation.

The US may as well stop pretending to be the worlds policeman, or the leader of the free world, or anything else besides a big country in the americas until it raises the status of it's congress to above that of a banana republic. 'War on Terror' piffle- your real war is in your own back yard, and nobody is fighting it.

Originally Posted by leemo

Government Shuts Down, Nation Descends into Riots, Looting and Cannibalism

The United States of America (1787-2013) came to a swift and sudden end last night as the government shut down. The nation which had survived Pearl Harbor, the War of 1812 and Jimmy Carter ceased to exist.

The savage population, which had only been kept in line through a policy of rigorous gun confiscations, food stamps and Green Energy programs unleashed its pent up rage in a spree of riots, looting and mass murder that had only previously been encountered in Somalia.

"The government shut down! We can do anything we like," shouted Sam Hasbley of Grassley, Iowa, while tearing the tag off a mattress despite an explicit warning label forbidding such a dangerous course of action. "Tear yours off. The government is shut down. It can't stop you."

Eyewitnesses spoke of further horrors. On a quiet street in suburban Massachusetts, a man brought out a set of highly illegal lawn darts. In Maryland, there were allegations that an entire family had begun digging ditches to collect rainwater runoff.

With the fall of the government, citizen activists took it upon themselves to chronicle the culture of lawlessness. Men played Gibson guitars made of wood imported from India, but not finished by Indian workers. Women bought cold medicine without a photo ID. Children went hours without hearing lectures about the environment.

The victims were many. In Chuckolod County, Colorado, a transgender person was denied access to the Ladies Room. Frantic calls to the Justice Department were forwarded to an answering service in Depar, India, instead of Doneparre City, Indiana. In Brooklyn, New York, an overweight Senegalese woman was unable to obtain a sign language interpreter while waiting on line to collect her free Obamaphone. In Olegon Falls, Florida, the National Museum of Native American Yarn was forced to shut down depriving schoolchildren of an educational experience and three hours throwing bits of yarn at each other.

And there was worse to come.

The entire city of Detroit was seized by the Michigan Militia backed by Canadian air power. The village of Frankfurt, Illinois passed several ordinances in explicit violation of Title MXVIII of the Federal Charter of Approved Fruit Naming Ordinances. North Dakota seceded and declared that it was now the nation of Bismarckia, elected a Kaiser and petitioned to join OPEC.

An army of Mongols or possibly local residents dressed in Samurai helmets raided the Federal Dried Peach Reserve in Georgia hauling away thousands of tons of dried fruit and tossed them to waiting crowds. The end of food stamps in Martho, New Jersey led to an outbreak of cannibalism despite efforts by ACORN volunteers to bring order to the proceedings by soliciting volunteers to give up their privilege and be fed to the people.

In Massey Hills, Virginia, a gang of politically incorrect sports mascots entered a workplace and implicitly hurt the feelings of several minorities. Their calls to the Justice Department were forwarded to Eric Holder's private voicemail along with frequent messages from his coke dealer demanding to be paid, like right now, and requests for weapons manuals from several Mexican cartel bosses.

In Madison, Wisconsin, the entire United Organized Educators and Librarians Union attempted to commit mass suicide on the front lawn of the Madison Center of Union History to protest budget cuts and school closings. Their efforts proved in vain when the gasoline they poured on themselves in a failed attempt at self-immolation turned out to be apple juice.

In Caplow City, Maine, President Gerald Ford, long thought dead and believed to have been buried in Michigan, appeared and declared himself to be the nation's new leader. While some suspect him to be an impostor based on the plastic texture of his mask which has a hastily erased message reading "Impeach Nixon" on the side, the city fathers have chosen to embrace the possibilities offered by Emperor Ford and have set him up in style in a presidential palace on the eight floor of the Caplow Arms Hotel.

In the midst of all this chaos, a weary nation's eyes turn to Washington D.C. But since the shutdown, which also shut off all power, water and press releases to the embattled city, no word has reached the outside world of what is taking place there. The last message was a smoke signal dispatched by Elizabeth Warren from the roof of a burning Capitol Building. An expert in Native American smoke signals decoded it to read, "I told you so. Now we're all doomed."

The only surviving member of the national government outside the dead zone is believed to be Vice President Joseph Biden who showed up on a beach in Waddiddi, Florida, where he has spent hours entertaining himself by building an elaborate 1/100 scale model of the White House out of sand. Attempts to inform him that the tide was coming in have fallen on deaf ears.

As the nation descends into chaos, one thing is clear. The government shutdown has once again doomed us all. Just like the last 17 times.

Sultan Knish

Juxtapose that with the images I saw on the news this morning of a handfull of tourists unable to enter the Statue of Liberty or the congress Library...

house republicans in swing states are already caving, while the president and senate dems remain resolute.

Government shutdown: Senate Democrats look past risks - Burgess Everett - POLITICO.com

Vulnerable Republicans: End the shutdown - Alex Isenstadt - POLITICO.com



gee, who could have guessed it would play out like this?