G.K. Chesterton's philosophy of "the Democracy of the Dead", the idea that the vast majority of our ancestors tried and experimented with different ideas, and they came up with what works best.Originally Posted by Morden
A perfect description of conservatism. No need to think, because our ancestors already solved all problems.
Not at all. It has been updated, amended and tweaked many times over the years and calls for changes continue from both sides of the aisle so why declare it set in stone now?Originally Posted by Boon Mee
The procedures for changing it are laid out in the document itself so it was clearly foreseen by the authors that it might need to be changed from time to time.
I am not sure why you felt the need to resort to hyperbole over my comment.
They all do, as far as I know. That's not the debate. We have a legal gun right here, just in case you've made a facile judgement about my view on the subject of gun ownership.
What bugs me is the mindless view that you are only safe if you are a gun freak. Even the title to this thread leans that way by using the word 'should'. Guns are dangerous and potentially lethal - and don't come back with a poster that tells us spoons are too. In the hands of some of the crazy nuts who argue with false logic for the ever increasing proliferation of guns in a country that seems prepared to see kids shot to pieces at school and do nothing about it, they are the tools of the uncivilised.
How do y'all feel about this course of action:
Armed Citizen Project is providing a free shotgun to residents of a small town outside of Houston.“We give brand new pump action shotguns, 12 gauge or 20 gauge,” explains founder of the Armed Citizen Project Kyle Coplen. In fact, Coplen is offering free shotguns to every homeowner in the Oak Forest neighborhood in Northwest Houston. “The area we’re doing has about 400 homes in it. There was 107 home invasions last year,” explains Coplen.
Coplen came up with the Armed Citizen Project in January after he was disgusted by one of those break-ins, when World War Two veteran Elbert Wood had his house broken into.
The statistics (posted numerous times) would indicate that it will lead to more suicides, more domestic homicides, more accidental homicides, more occurrences of gun theft. Oh, and that anybody contemplating committing crime in the area would come armed.Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Perhaps the resources would be better spent on more police officers on the street if the area is so dangerous?
I have spent quite some time in South Africa and traveled extensively through many parts of the Country , whilst I was in the Capetown area I hardly heard of serious crime at all ,and as far as I am aware no one carried or had guns in their homes , compare that to Jo'bourg were gun murders and robbery with violence was a daily occurrence , I had the pleasure of meeting some really nice people at their homes ,every single home was like a prison with all the security systems and every single Adult had a handgun , what I am pointing out is it all depends were you live as to whether you need a gun to protect yourself and your family cos every area is different .![]()
Well, as in the example of the self-defense shotgun give-away located in the great State of Texas, we'd have to side with 2nd Amendment folks since obviously, with all those break-in's/home invasions, the police can't do the job.
A free shotgun give-away say in NYC might not be appropriate but, as you say, every area is different.![]()
Just read a newspaper article that said Concealed Carry applications were up 87% in Colorado for the first half of 2013. One applicant (female) said she was prompted by the New Jersey video of the woman being beaten by the intruder.
I would imagine the Zimmerman/Martin incident has also played a role in making many people realize that "You have to be responsible for your personal safety and the safety of your family."
If some jerk will violently attack you just because you are trying to keep an eye out for your neighbors homes, then no one is safe, regardless of where they are.
Perhaps if more and more, decent people start carrying arms, then criminals will realize that they can't just attack anyone they want with impunity.
Even an elderly person, or a smaller person, stands a decent chance against a large thug if properly armed and trained on how to shoot.
Libs, progressives, and criminals apparently hate this kind of logic. They apparently feel that it is better to let the criminals have their way, and then be arrested and prosecuted after the fact.
I disagree. Stopping (permanently) a potentially violent crime from occurring solves the problem of that one criminal forever, preventing not only that crime, but all the other crimes that individual would have committed (yes, most criminals who commit violent crimes make it a lifestyle.)
RickThai
Texas has got oil and military bases and therefore is one of the (very) few red states that is a net contributor to the US national piggy bank.Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Why can't they afford a police force capable of doing the job and instead decide to rely on giving free guns to people and hoping for the best?
Great! I'm sure you will be first in line training the Martins of this world to carry guns and know how to use them in order to take personal responsibility for their own safety.Originally Posted by RickThai
If they came here in peace, and were good, honest decent citizens and were being routinely attacked by earthlings, you bet!
I, unlike some, see events based upon the actions, not the individuals race or ethnic heritage.
You should try it sometimes. Life becomes less complicated and it clears your thinking, freeing it from ingrained biases.
RickThai
I.. errr... I... erm... nah, I can't do it. Words fail me. That post is so far out there that, well let us just say that I would like to say reading your posts was a pleasure but if I did say that it would make me an even bigger liar than you. So I won't.Originally Posted by RickThai
Cheerio!
Ah yes, that personal responcibility bollocks that pinokio like to paste about.
well lets see in those 'communist' states like japan and the uk... how many children died in acciential shootings zero.
lets see how many died in the US as a result of epople using their constutioal rights to keep a loaded gun available for personal defence at all times?
1. December 15, 2012: 3-year-old boy shoots and kills himself with gun found in the home of his uncle, who is a state trooper. http://www.nydailynews.com/...
2. December 20, 2012: 2-year-old boy shoots and kills himself after picking up a gun his grandfather left on a chair. http://www.wbbjtv.com/...
3. December 22, 2012: 15-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed by neighbor showing off his gun. http://www.wncn.com/...
4. December 25, 2012: 2-year-old boy shot and killed himself with his father’s gun on Christmas Day. http://www.wafb.com/...
5. December 25, 2012: 10-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed by his 12-year-old brother while playing with a gun on Christmas Day. http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/...
6. December 28, 2012: 12-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed by his uncle during deer hunt. http://www.wnct.com/...
7. December 31, 2012: 17-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed by younger brother cleaning a shotgun. http://www.wptz.com/...
8. December 31, 2012: 18-year-old boy shot in the head and killed by a 13-year-old relative while they were shooting birds. http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/...
9. December 31, 2012: 8-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed by father cleaning his rifle. http://www.thecherawchronicle.com/...
10. January 1, 2013: 16-year-old boy shot and killed his 15-year-old friend on New Year’s Day with a gun they bought on the street for $40. http://accidentalgunshots.tumblr.com/...
11. January 2, 2013: 13-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed while shooting at trash pile with friends. http://www.kristv.com/...
12. January 2, 2013: 16-year-old boy accidentally shot by 16-year-old friend while playing with gun found behind a gas station. http://www.ksdk.com/...
13. January 4, 2013: 16-year-old boy accidentally shot by his father while hunting deer. http://www.kcentv.com/...
14. January 7, 2013: 4-year-old boy accidentally shot by mother’s boyfriend as he was showing his gun to a friend. http://fox4kc.com/...
15. January 7, 2013: 15-year-old boy accidentally shot himself. http://www.somdnews.com/...
16. January 8, 2013: 15-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed by her 19-year-old brother while they fought over a video game. http://www.cbs58.com/...
17. January 9, 2013: 2-year-old boy shot himself in the chest with a gun found in his home. http://setxhomepage.com/...
18. January 10, 2013: 4-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed by another young child with gun found lying on chair. http://fox4kc.com/...
19. January 10, 2013: 14-year-old boy accidentally shot while hunting with a friend. http://www.wcnc.com/...
20. January 10, 2013: 12-year-old boy fatally shot in the chest by his cousin, who wanted to show him the shotgun he got for Christmas. http://annistonstar.com/...
21. January 12, 2013: 2-year-old boy shot in head by brother handling pellet gun. http://www.foxcarolina.com/...
22. January 13, 2013: Juvenile shot in back in hunting accident. http://www.kpcnews.com/...
23. January 14, 2013: 12-year-old boy accidentally shoots and kills himself while handling gun at home. http://www.kmbc.com/...
24. January 14, 2013: 17-year-old boy shot and killed by 18-year-old friend while playing with gun. http://hamptonroads.com/...
25. January 15. 2013: 17-year-old boy accidentally shot self while handling gun at friend’s house. http://www.cleveland.com/...
26. January 15, 2013: 13-year-old boy shot and killed by another teen while rabbit hunting. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...
27. January 16, 2013: 15-year-old boy accidentally shot himself with a hunting rifle inside his home. http://www.carolinalive.com/...
28. January 18, 2013: 15-year-old boy accidentally shot by his 17-year-old friend after his friend stole a relative’s guns and they played with them. http://www.fauquiernow.com/...
29. January 19, 2013: 15-year-old accidentally shot his 14-year-old friend while playing with his grandfather’s gun. http://www.wkyt.com/...
30. January 20, 2013: 14-year-old boy accidentally shot in face by father while hunting. http://www.newsworks.org/...
31. January 20, 2013: 5-year-old accidentally shot by 7-year-old while playing with gun. http://www.tallahassee.com/...
32. January 20, 2013: 18-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed while he and his friends were passing around a gun. http://www.nola.com/...
33. January 20, 2013: 14-year-old girl accidentally shot. http://www.boonvilledailynews.com/...
34. January 22, 2013: 16-year-old boy accidentally shot by another teenager while playing basketball. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...
35. January 24, 2013: 2-year-old boy shot and killed by his 18-year-old brother who was playing with a gun. http://theadvocate.com/...
36. January 24, 2013: 4-year-old accidentally shot and killed with his father’s illegally-owned gun the week after the child’s mother demanded that he get rid of the gun. http://www.ohio.com/...
37. January 24, 2013: 3-year-old shoots self with gun found in his home. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/...
38. January 26, 2013: 15-year-old accidentally shot and killed himself with “family handgun.” http://www.wate.com/...
39. January 27, 2013: 17-year-old boy accidentally shot by his 16-year-old friend while they were playing with a gun. http://www.nola.com/...
40. January 27, 2013: 4-year-old found gun in home, accidentally shot himself. http://www.wral.com/...
41. January 31, 2013: 3-year-old boy accidentally shot while father cleaning gun. http://fox4kc.com/...
42. February 1, 2013: 18-year-old accidentally shoots self while trying to dislodge stuck cartridge from rifle. http://whotv.com/...
43. February 1, 2013: 5-year-old girl accidentally shot in stomach at her home. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/...
44. February 3, 2013: 13-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed by her 14-year-old brother while he handled a shotgun in their home. http://www.wlns.com/...
45. February 4, 2013: 18-year-old accidentally shoots himself with an assault weapon while trying to fix a chamber jam. http://www.ketv.com/...
46. February 4, 2013: 18-year-old accidentally shot while cleaning gun. http://www.koaa.com/...
47. February 5, 2013: 3-year-old boy fatally shot himself in the head while playing with a pink gun that he and his 7-year-old sister thought was a toy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
48. February 5, 2013: 5-year-old girl accidentally shot in the abdomen by father, who was loading his new gun. http://www.star-telegram.com/...
49. February 7, 2013: 18-year-old male accidentally shot himself while handling a gun at work. http://www.kfoxtv.com/...
50. February 8, 2013: 15-year-old boy accidentally shot three times by 16-year-old boy. http://www.wmctv.com/...
51. February 9, 2013: 3-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed by mother’s boyfriend. http://www.wsiltv.com/...
52. February 9, 2013: 11-year-old and 14-year-old boys playing with gun in a home owned by a convicted felon prohibited from having a gun; one child is accidentally shot. http://www.wdtv.com/...
53. February 11, 2013: 4-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed himself while playing with a gun. http://www.knoxnews.com/...
54. February 12, 2013: 4-year-old girl accidentally shot herself with gun found in mother’s dresser drawer. http://www.wsoctv.com/...
55. February 15, 2013: 15-year-old boy accidentally shoots himself at a fight outside a Burger King. http://antiochherald.com/...
56. February 16, 2013: 16-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed when he and his 14-year-old brother were playing with a shotgun in their home. http://www.fayobserver.com/...
57. February 17, 2013: 18-year-old girl accidentally shot when a rifle discharged while she was changing a flat tire. http://www.ksl.com/...
58. February 18, 2013: 17-year-old boy accidentally shoots himself while handling a gun; files false report to hide what happened. http://www.lockhaven.com/...
59. February 18, 2013: 12-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed by a family member. http://www.hutchnews.com/...
60. February 19, 2013: 18-year-old girl accidentally shot in head by 3-year-old who found a gun under a mattress in the home. http://www.wmbb.com/...
61. February 19, 2013: 9-year-old boy accidentally shot in the head after he found his father’s gun and played with it; his younger sister tried to take it away from him and it discharged. http://www.dispatch.com/...
62. February 20, 2013: 14-month-old baby accidentally shot after another apartment resident, an active member of the Air Force, fired his gun and the bullet went through the wall and struck the baby. http://www.wtxl.com/...
63. February 20, 2013: 3-year-old boy accidentally shot in the head and killed at home; both parents and other small children were also home at the time. http://www.dallasnews.com/...
64. February 21, 2013: 12-year-old boy shot himself while hunting squirrels with his 10-year-old brother. http://weatherforddemocrat.com/...
65. February 21, 2013: 12-year-old accidentally shot while playing with a shotgun with a 16-year-old relative. http://www.abcnews4.com/...
66. February 22, 2013: 2-year-old boy accidentally shot himself in the head at home. http://www.heraldstandard.com/...
67. February 22, 2013: 5-year-old boy accidentally shot himself or was shot by his 11-year-old brother, using his father’s gun. http://blogs.wsj.com/...
68. February 23, 2013: 3-year-old boy accidentally shot by his father while his father was cleaning his rifle. http://www.ksskradio.com/...
69. February 24, 2013: 13-year-old boy accidentally shot by his 13-year-old friend at the home of his friend’s godfather, who gave his godson unrestricted access to 8 guns to show his friends. http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...
70. February 24, 2013: 9-year-old boy accidentally shot himself while out shooting with his grandfather. http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/...
71. February 24, 2013: 4-year-old boy shot and killed himself with stolen gun left out by father. http://www.chron.com/...
72. February 24, 2013: 15-year-old accidentally shot and killed while playing with guns with friends. http://silverpinyon.com/...
73. February 26, 2013: 17-year-old girl accidentally shot herself while unloading groceries; she dropped two handguns and one discharged, striking her. http://therecordlive.com/...
74. February 26, 2013: 10-year-old accidentally shot and killed by another juvenile. http://www.kten.com/...
75. February 27, 2013: 17-year-old girl accidentally shot herself outside her high school. http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/...
76. February 28, 2013: 15-year-old boy accidentally shot his 11-year-old brother while playing with gun. http://www.nola.com/...
77. March 1, 2013: 4-year-old boy accidentally shot by older brother while family was outside shooting. http://www.eparisextra.com/...
78. March 4, 2013: 4-year-old son of sheriff’s deputy accidentally shoots himself to death with father’s gun. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/...
79. March 4, 2013: 18-year-old male accidentally shot in head and killed while cleaning guns with friend. http://www.news-sentinel.com/...
80. March 4, 2013: 17-year-old male accidentally shot by family member with rifle. http://www.tidewaternews.com/...
81. March 5, 2013: 3-year old boy accidentally shot by stepfather, who tried to lie to authorities about how it happened. http://www.wect.com/...
82. March 7, 2013: 16-year-old boy accidentally shoots self in face. http://www.fox47news.com/...
83. March 7, 2013: 16-year-old fatally shot in face by 18-year-old while playing Russian roulette with friends. http://whtc.com/...
84. March 9, 2013: 14-year-old boy accidentally shot by friend playing with semiautomatic handgun. http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/...
85. March 9, 2013: 3-year-old boy accidentally shoots himself in the head with aunt’s gun after she leaves it in the bathroom. http://www.wsmv.com/...
86. March 10, 2013: 11-year-old boy accidentally shot by friends playing with gun. http://www.wave3.com/...
87. March 11, 2013: 16-year-old accidentally shot while cleaning out closet; shotgun discharged when he knocked it over and he tried to pull it out of the closet. http://blog.al.com/...
88. March 12, 2013: 3-year-old accidentally shot outside home. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/...
89. March 13, 2013: 10-year-old boy accidentally shot in head and killed by 13-year-old brother while they were shooting BB guns. http://www.theledger.com/...
90. March 14, 2013: 4-year-old accidentally shot while playing with a gun in a car with a sibling. http://myfox8.com/...
91. March 14, 2013: 15-year-old accidentally shot at a party when he tried to disarm a drunk man with a shotgun. http://chickashanews.com/...
92. March 14, 2013: 16-year-old accidentally shoots himself while playing with gun. http://www.ksla.com/...
93. March 15, 2013: 10-month old baby accidentally shot and killed by his father, who was handling a semiautomatic handgun at the time. The baby was shot in the chest in front of his mother and his brothers, aged 2 and 3. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/...
94. March 18, 2013: 18-year-old male fatally shot himself in the face while cleaning his gun. http://tristatehomepage.com/...
95. March 18, 2013: 3-year-old accidentally shot himself with gun found in relative’s home. http://www.wthr.com/...
96. March 20, 2013: 4-year-old accidentally shot himself in the face with gun at his home. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...
97. March 22, 2013: 17-year-old boy accidentally shot himself while walking down the street holding a gun. http://m.arkansasonline.com/...
98. March 26, 2013: 10-year-old accidentally shot and killed as he was watching TV. His father shot him in the head as he was cleaning his shotgun. http://www.fayobserver.com/...
99. March 28, 2013: 12-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed by 16-year-old brother, who thought he was an intruder in their home. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...
100. March 28, 2013: 11-year-old girl accidentally shot in head and killed by 11-year old boy handling a rifle owned by the girl’s 15-year-old brother. http://www.azfamily.com/...
101. March 29, 2013: 16-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed himself while playing with a gun with friends. http://www.commercialappeal.com/...
102. March 29, 2013: 13-year-old boy accidentally shot by his father, who was testing his gun by shooting it into the woods behind his house. http://www.wrcbtv.com/...
103. April 1, 2013: 4-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed by 6-year-old brother with gun found in car. http://www.miamiherald.com/...
104. April 1, 2013: 14-year-old boy accidentally shoots himself after he slipped while walking and fell on his gun. http://www.marshallnews.com/...
105. April 2, 2013: 3-year-old boy shoots himself with gun found under father's bed. http://www.reporternewspapers.net/...
106. April 2, 2013: 4-year-old boy accidentally shoots and kills himself after Easter services with gun found in relative's home. http://www.nydailynews.com/...
107. April 6, 2013: 16-year-old boy accidentally shot himself while cleaning gun. http://www.newsnet5.com/...
108. April 8, 2013: 4-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed by father cleaning gun. http://www.brownwoodnews.com/...
109. April 9, 2013: 4-year-old boy fatally shoots 6-year-old boy in head with rifle he got from his house. http://www.cnn.com/...
110. April 9, 2013: 3-year-old shoots and kills self after finding gun in home. http://www.wbtw.com/...
111. April 12, 2013: 3-year-old boy shoots self while reaching for gun under father's bed. http://news.cincinnati.com/...
112. April 13, 2013: 13-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed while playing with a gun with other children in an unsupervised home. http://www.news4jax.com/...
113. April 14, 2013, 7-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed while shooting a semiautomatic with his brothers and father. http://www.salina.com/...
114. April 15, 2013: 9-year-old girl shot in the face and killed when mother's boyfriend, a decorated Iraq War veteran, accidentally discharges his gun while practicing for his new job as a security guard. http://www.oregonlive.com/...
115. April 15, 2013: 6-year-old boy accidentally shoots self in church parking lot. http://www.kens5.com/...
116. April 15, 2013: 7-year-old girl accidentally shot in chest by 6-year-old cousin with gun found in bedside table. http://www.sunherald.com/...
117. April 16, 2013: 6-year-old girl accidentally shot by 14-year-old cousin in a chiropractor's office. http://www.kmbc.com/...
118. April 17, 2013: 16-year-old girl accidentally shot by 16-year-old boy in possession of illegal gun. http://www.thenewsstar.com/...
119. April 17, 2013: 16-year-old boy accidentally shoots himself with semiautomatic while showing it to friends. http://www.boston.com/...
120. April 17, 2013: Unsupervised 2-year-old accidentally shot self. http://blog.al.com/...
121. April 18, 2013: 8-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed. http://www.idahopress.com/...
122. April 18, 2013: 14-year-old boy accidentally shot with stolen gun. http://www.wtov9.com/...
123. April 22, 2013: 2-year-old boy accidentally shot himself in chest after he reached into father’s pocket for a gun and it discharged. http://www.wyff4.com/...
124. April 22, 2013: 4-year-old accidentally shot and killed at his home. http://www.nbcnews.com/...
125. April 23, 2013: 10-month-old boy accidentally shot by his 3-year-old sister with parents’ gun, which she found in the family car. http://www.idahostatesman.com/...
126. April 24, 2013: 7-year-old boy accidentally shot by his 11-year-old brother with gun hidden in their home by their grandfather, who found it outside and intended to turn it in to police. http://www.delawareonline.com/...
127. April 24, 2013: 10-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed in his living room while others were home. http://www.sunherald.com/...
128. April 26, 2013: 14-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed by his 12-year-old brother, who then got other juveniles to help bury the body and lie about what happened to his brother. http://www.fox19.com/...
129. April 26, 2013: 10-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed by one of his juvenile siblings, after they found their father’s shotgun while playing in the garage. http://www.10tv.com/...
130. April 27, 2013: 4-year-old accidentally shot himself in his home with family gun, which father thought was locked up. http://www.nbc12.com/...
131. April 29, 2013: 14-year-old boy accidentally shot by his 15-year-old stepbrother with a revolver they found and played with. The 15-year-old disposed of the gun later and lied to police about how the shooting happened. http://abclocal.go.com/...
132. April 29, 2013: 6-year-old girl accidentally shot while playing with a gun with another small child. http://www.pnj.com/...
133. April 30, 2013: 14-year-old accidentally shot himself while trying to clear a malfunction in the semiautomatic handgun he was using for target practice. http://www.weau.com/...
134. April 30, 2013: 2-year-old girl accidentally shot to death by 5-year-old brother with child-size rifle given to brother as a gift. http://www.kentucky.com/...
135. April 30, 2013: 5-year-old girl accidentally shot to death by 8-year-old brother, who was playing with the rifle he had used the day before to go hunting. http://www.ktuu.com/...
136. May 2, 2013: 9-year-old girl accidentally shot by her 7-year-old brother with a rifle that had been kept in the closet of another sibling, who was not at home at the time. http://q13fox.com/...
137. May 3, 2013: 3-year-old boy fatally shoots himself in the face with his grandmother's gun while his mother and grandmother were in the other room. http://www.rawstory.com/...
great stuff if your an undertaker, probably looking at about 1.5 M dollars to bury that lot.
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^ I think telling some Americans 100 times a day that they are worse off with their gun laws would still be futile....should have let the duplicate stand...![]()
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