Reasons Citizens Should Own Guns

**slackula** · 30-06-2013, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

My kind?

Originally Posted by Rainfall

but there's your kind as well

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.

**Rainfall** · 30-06-2013, 01:03 PM

Maybe, but their leaders are smart and have an insidious agenda. Remove as much protection of the individual, and equality ensured by the government, push most Americans into poverty and serfdom to those who own the means of production. Unfortunately, the democrats are in the boat as well, the endless bickering about trivia just disguises it.

**Boon Mee** · 30-06-2013, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

My kind?

Originally Posted by Rainfall

but there's your kind as well

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.

Heh...you mean as opposed to a rube such as yourself?

**slackula** · 30-06-2013, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heh...you mean as opposed to a rube such as yourself?

FFS! Don't tell me that you can't even recognise a Blazing Saddles quote!

**Boon Mee** · 30-06-2013, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heh...you mean as opposed to a rube such as yourself?

FFS! Don't tell me that you can't even recognise a Blazing Saddles quote!

Yeah, actually I had forgotten that one...

**RickThai** · 01-07-2013, 07:41 AM

I think I said if every honest and decent citizen had a gun AND THE TRAINING to use it properly. Criminals (who usually have already lost their rights to lawfully own firearms) caught with guns should be given life imprisonment without parole, just for having a firearm.

As far as that poor lady, if she had a loaded gun, even stored upstairs, as soon as she heard the sound of someone kicking in her door, she could have dashed upstairs and had it ready to shoot as soon as she spotted the intruder (who would have probably been coming up the staris by then).

Of course a gun won't "save the day" in every circumstance, but it at least gives homeowners a fighting chance, and most surveys of convicted criminals show that armed citizens are a deterrent to crime.

In NOLA a few years back, brutal carjackings were becoming common. They sometimes resulted in the needless slaying of the car's driver.

Once, a law was passed to allow car owner's to use deadly force to prevent the carjackings, the carjacking rate dropped overnight.

As far as "dreaming of shooting a negro", I certainly would have loved to shoot that negro, if it would have prevented that woman's ordeal.

IMO any decent person, regardless of race who saw that video and wouldn't voluntarily want to shoot that lowlife dirtbag in that situation deserves to spend a few months on a deserted island with that scum. Then maybe they will realize that some people need to be killed so that innocent people can live safely.

If it had been a caucasion man beating on a Negro woman, then I would certainly have loved to shoot that caucasion, if it would have prevented that woman's assualt.

Too bad, so many so-called "liberals/progressives" cannot understand that simple logic.

However, if something similar to that happened to their wives/daughters/mothers (and I hope it never does), I'm sure they might rethink their position about arming their loved ones and TEACHING THEM HOW TO SHOOT correctly.

But then again, maybe not. Perhaps being a "victim" is how they justify their shortcomings.

I always keep a loaded .40 caliber Sig Sauer under my pillow at night and in a handy but convenient, hidden spot in my home during the daytime. It is loaded with teflon-coated hollow-points and both my wife and I shoot it regularly.

Beat on my door in the middle of the night and I gaurantee you I will have the gun in my hand ready-to-go in just a few seconds until I make positive identification. If I ever need to use it, I will use it without hesitation - four in the chest and two in the head, repeat as needed.

I trust my kamma will not suffer too badly if I take out a bad guy.

RickThai

**RickThai** · 01-07-2013, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by Bower

Wouldn't panic buttons in every room be just as effective as a safety measure? Just as instantly accessible, with no risk to the household.

Are you serious? Haven't you ever heard a 911 tape of a screaming woman as she is attacked by some dirtbag? The police show up several minutes later to find a dead victim. Audible alarms sometimes just goad the attacker to quickly escalate the crime.

Even if a neighbor calls 911 immediately, it will still take 15-20 minutes to get a squad car to your location. By that time, a pissed-off attacker will have likely cut your throat (and that of your children) in order to get rid of any eye witnesses.

Ask any law enforcement person (male or female) what they use for their own personal and home defense. If they are honest, they will all tell you that they carry off-duty weapons. These are the people who deal with criminals and the aftermath of crime every day. They know what kind of dirbags they are up against.

If its good enough for them, then I would think it is good enough for every citizen.

Panic buttons and safe rooms are a good idea, but even with those, a properly armed and trained adult can often react more quickly than trying to round up all your children and get them into the safe room in time.

RickThai

**Jesus Jones** · 01-07-2013, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Necron99

There is no trying in Buddhism Rick.
You either are, or aren't.

Well done Rick for realizing you still have some red blood in you. Should a naysayers be in this situation, let's hope the attacker doesn't have a gun because you'll sure wish you had!

**HermantheGerman** · 01-07-2013, 11:40 AM

What burglars look for, favorite items include: cash, jewelry, laptops, guns....

Viscious cycle ain't it.

**HermantheGerman** · 01-07-2013, 11:44 AM

Imagine the U.S. would use their spy surveillance technic against robbers and murderes.
Fifty percent of americans would be behind bars

**Dillinger** · 01-07-2013, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Well done Rick for realizing you are no Buddhist

Santi

John English

**Boon Mee** · 01-07-2013, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Imagine the U.S. would use their spy surveillance technic against robbers and murderes.
Fifty percent of americans would be behind bars

Imagine if the Prism Program could determine "Pre-Crime" Crime! We could take those evil-doers off the streets before they could perpetrate their foul deeds.

**HermantheGerman** · 01-07-2013, 12:01 PM

Imagine if the Prism Program could have determined the Banking Crisis Crime! We could take those evil bankers off the streets before they could perpetrate their foul deeds.

Maybe they are just spying on the wrong persons.

Thats why wee need Wikileaks and and people like Snowdens.

**panama hat** · 01-07-2013, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Imagine if the Prism Program could determine "Pre-Crime" Crime!

Wasn't there a movie like that . . . rings a bell!! Damnit, can't think of it

**Necron99** · 01-07-2013, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Imagine if the Prism Program could determine "Pre-Crime" Crime!

Wasn't there a movie like that . . . rings a bell!! Damnit, can't think of it

Minority Report.

**panama hat** · 01-07-2013, 07:33 PM

Thank you (still can't deal reps . . . )

**harrybarracuda** · 01-07-2013, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

snip...

^ memes aren't a form of discussion or debate Boon Mee.
Just sayin.
It's really annoying.

Especially when the information in them is bullshit.

(See above).

**harrybarracuda** · 01-07-2013, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by RickThai

In NOLA a few years back, brutal carjackings were becoming common. They sometimes resulted in the needless slaying of the car's driver.

Once, a law was passed to allow car owner's to use deadly force to prevent the carjackings, the carjacking rate dropped overnight.

Yes, we had a post earlier saying that when women were armed, rapes dropped 90% and that was bollocks as well.

So do you have any evidence to back up this claim? Or is it more NRA fluff?

**panama hat** · 01-07-2013, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So do you have any evidence to back up this claim? Or is it more NRA fluff?

The guy is so full of it I am hoping your question was of a rhetorical nature

**RickThai** · 01-07-2013, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Again y'all are looking at the problem just from the symptoms and not examining the cause.
Could it possibly be because draconian drug laws turn average people into criminals and instigates the evolution of drug gangs and international drug cartels, who in turn fuel political terrorists? It's really; lose, lose, lose, no mater how you look at it.

More guns, less guns isn't really the issue is it! It's about overzealous government control.

Let's please try to wake up and see the root cause of the problem and cease to flail away at the symptoms. The bigger government get's and the more money they throw at it the worse it get's, wake up!
Bring back liberty and the associated responsibility.

I'm certainly not following your logic.

Are you stating that if "drugs were legal and free", serious crimes like rape, armed robbery, and assaults would drop or disappear?

People addicted to drugs will always have a hard time keeping a job and/or providing for their family (if they can keep a family). So even with "all you can metabolize" drugs, they will still resort to crime in order to get things.

Many times, people under the influence of drugs (alcohol, meth, coke, etc), are motivated to commit horrible crimes (rapes, asaultes, etc) just for the thrill. Do you think free drugs will stop that tendency?

I believe the root cause of most crimes is due to a lack of an individual having any moral values and a lack of respect for others. Perhaps criminal tendencies are also genetic (as supported by some studies).

Trying to blame govenment laws or social policies or any other external events for the criniminal actions of thugs, rapists, and thiefs is just making excuses for those scumbags IMO.

Regardless of the cause, crimes such as the one perputrated on that poor women in the video needs to be prevented by any means possible. Even if it means killing up to 15% of an area's population (which is the usual percentage of habitual criminals found within any given population) I think the remaining 85% of honest and decent people deserve to be able to live peaceably and safely in their neighborhoods, especially their own homes.

RickThai

**Troy** · 01-07-2013, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by RickThai

I think I said if every honest and decent citizen had a gun AND THE TRAINING to use it properly. Criminals (who usually have already lost their rights to lawfully own firearms) caught with guns should be given life imprisonment without parole, just for having a firearm.

As far as that poor lady, if she had a loaded gun, even stored upstairs, as soon as she heard the sound of someone kicking in her door, she could have dashed upstairs and had it ready to shoot as soon as she spotted the intruder (who would have probably been coming up the staris by then).

Of course a gun won't "save the day" in every circumstance, but it at least gives homeowners a fighting chance, and most surveys of convicted criminals show that armed citizens are a deterrent to crime.

Unfortunately I don't think it would have saved the day in this circumstance or indeed in many others. DK pretty much summed it up when it comes to using a gun under stress and chances are that the children would have been in the firing line. Rather like the now-and-then golfer hitting it in the hazard that he was trying to avoid.

Then there are the innocent incidents that happen just because there is a gun in the house. How many of them are there compared to break-ins with assault?

In the end the women went through a traumatic experience but probably not as bad as having killed someone or possibly her children. Killing a person is a far more difficult act to come to terms with and many don't whatever the justification. The guy was caught and is under arrest. Let's hope the punishment is appropriate for the crime.

**slackula** · 02-07-2013, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by RickThai

. Even if it means killing up to 15% of an area's population

Do you know who else advocated killing a sizeable segment of the population in order to prevent future crimes?

You are insane Rick. Get some help.

**Mid** · 02-07-2013, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by RickThai

Even if it means killing up to 15% of an area's population

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

You are insane Rick. Get some help.

yep..

**Rainfall** · 02-07-2013, 11:07 AM

Funny, isn't he? He has lower moral values than a thief or rapist, but believes he's one of the good guys.

**Troy** · 02-07-2013, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by RickThai

Even if it means killing up to 15% of an area's population (which is the usual percentage of habitual criminals found within any given population) I think the remaining 85% of honest and decent people deserve to be able to live peaceably and safely in their neighborhoods, especially their own homes.

However the killing of the 15% would be a criminal act and so recursively you end up with nobody...and no crime. I think that maybe you didn't think this all the way through...

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