Thread: Food safety, GMOs and the global fight against Monsanto

Originally Posted by Necron99

When you have a good cause and close it in the same BS propaganda that you opponent uses then you are really no better.
The rider was 78 pages deep. For fucks sake, does the read what he signs into law?
Had no choice. He had every choice. When is the president forced to do anything? Isn't he the guy running the country? He could have sent it back and told them to remove the rider or their paychecks stop.

I think he had someone to read it for him. highly experienced in this, in that he used to write this type of stuff whilst lobbying on behalf of Monsanto.

....Oh.

Originally Posted by Necron99

When you have a good cause and closet it in the same BS propaganda that your opponent uses then you are really no better.
The rider was 78 pages deep. For fucks sake, does the President read what he signs into law?
Had no choice. He had every choice. When is the president forced to do anything? Isn't he the guy running the country? He could have sent it back and told them to remove the rider or their paychecks stop.

Mate, you should do a little research before you spout off.

The "Monsanto Protection Act" was inserted as a rider into the general budget bill.

Had the President not signed the bill it would have led to the shut down of the Federal Government.

This is how politics often works in the US. Lawmakers insert their pieces of legislation into a larger bill that must be passed.

And now you see the next step, the house and senate are working to have that particular piece of legislation repealed.

Dunno if you're American or not, but this is the way it works. It's not terribly pretty or efficient, but it does work.

Originally Posted by Necron99

A shut down of the federal government is not Armageddon. It has happened before.
He should have called their bluff and sent it back.
To do otherwise is to hang a big sign around his neck saying "I am a patsy"
It's simple, this rider has nothing to do with this bill, and is also bad law. You send it to me and I make sure every American knows that "you" are responsible for all the problems. " I the president won't be blackmailed into supporting your bought and paid for positions."
How hard is that?

A government shut down is not "armageddon" but it IS a big deal and has only happened ONCE in US history.

That said, I would have preferred if Obama had vetoed the bill and I was disappointed when he signed it into law.

HR 933 was a spending bill aimed at averting a government shutdown. The Monsanto Protection Act was slipped into the bill without hearing or debate.

Ultimately the President had to decide what's worse, a government shutdown or the Monsanto Protection Act? Tough call...

Obama's a pretty shrewd politician. My guess is that he decided to sign the bill and knew that public outrage would push lawmakers to legislate its subsequent repeal.

Originally Posted by Necron99

So rather than force a showdown that would likely be over in minutes, your happy with a blackmailed executive giving the country a grassroots state by state fight back and call that part of his grand plan.

I asked before if you are American, because you seem to be quite ignorant with the way laws are passed in the US.

If you're not American then you ignorance is excusable. If you are American you should be ashamed at your lack of understanding of how your government works.

You should have learned this in high school:

If the President vetoes a bill it goes back to the house where it originated from (either the House or Representatives or the Senate).

If that house votes by a 2/3 majority to override the veto, then the bill is sent to the other house. If that house also overrides by a 2/3 majority, then the bill becomes law without the President's signature.

If either house fails to achieve a 2/3 majority, the bill does not become law and a new bill must be written. Do you have any idea how LONG this process usually takes? (Here's a hint- it's a lot more mere "minutes".)

So your comment about the shutdown being over in "minutes" is simply ridiculous. The US has only suffered one shutdown of the federal government, during the Clinton years, and it was ugly.

President Obama, by signing the bill, avoided a government shutdown. It's apparent that there is now broad bi-partisan support in both the House and Senate to repeal the Monsanto Protection Act, so in the end, We the People win, Monsanto will lose.

I'm not sure why you're getting so worked up about the political process?

Tell Your Congress Member: Reject the King Amendment and any other rider or amendment to the Farm Bill that would take away states’ rights to label GMOs!

Japan has suspended wheat imports from the US. There has been a crop of unapproved Monsanto GM wheat found growing in a field where it should not have been growing.

Rogue Monsanto Wheat Sprouts in Oregon | Mother Jones


Wheat Falls as Japan Suspends U.S. Imports on Biotech Crop Find

Wheat Falls as Japan Suspends U.S. Imports on Biotech Crop Find - Bloomberg

^ The pushback against Monsanto is gaining momentum and support. Fantastic news!

I wonder when the push back against the facilitator of this will commence? When will the obamabots accept that their hero is 100% culpable in this, or even comment on his hiring of Monsanto execs to draft laws for him?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

I wonder when the push back against the facilitator of this will commence? When will the obamabots accept that their hero is 100% culpable in this, or even comment on his hiring of Monsanto execs to draft laws for him?

A new farm bill is working its way through Congress that will repeal the Monsanto Protection Act. President Obama is looking forward to signing it into law.

Another win for our POTUS and the American people!

What you don't seem to understand is that President Obama is a master politician. He's playing political check with you and his opponents are still struggling with checkers.

I wonder is FakerOTUS will sign in a law making labelling compulsory and let the people chose? I wonder if he will do anything to stop the patenting of age old practices by his corporate sponsors that are stopping anyone fighting Monsanto etc. I wonder if nothing will actually happen and he will blame GOP instead saying "I was going to fight monsanto but I couldn't because GOP didn't play ball".

Obama signs executive order allowing the killing of american citizens with drone strikes. Obama will not sign executive order forcing compulsory GMO labelling that could save american citzens lives.

Who does he care for? You decide.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

I wonder is FakerOTUS will sign in a law making labelling compulsory and let the people chose? I wonder if he will do anything to stop the patenting of age old practices by his corporate sponsors that are stopping anyone fighting Monsanto etc. I wonder if nothing will actually happen and he will blame GOP instead saying "I was going to fight monsanto but I couldn't because GOP didn't play ball".

Obama signs executive order allowing the killing of american citizens with drone strikes. Obama will not sign executive order forcing compulsory GMO labelling that could save american citzens lives.

Who does he care for? You decide.

Ah young grasshopper, you have much to learn...

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Leave it for a Republican to clean up Dem Obamas mess

Imagine that, food safety is something that both parties might actually agree on! (Let's just ignore for a second the fact that the Monstanto Protection Act was put into the Budget Bill by a Monsanto sponsored Republican)

^ Damning quotes, sorry about the small size.

^ Indeed. Shame that Monsanto shill Obama went and did this.....

Originally Posted by pseudolus

^ Indeed. Shame that Monsanto shill Obama went and did this.....

^ Agreed, the Washington "revolving door" often puts people in government positions who may have a conflict of interest with their former employers.

Michael Taylor, a former VP and lobbyist for Monsanto is a good example. Taylor has been with Monsanto, FDA, USDA, Monsanto, private sector, university, FDA and is a classic example of the 'revolving door'.

There is a growing effort to have him fired from the FDA for his role in circumventing the food testing and screening process to speed GM foods in to the U.S. market.

I hope you've done your part to voice your displeasure to the President over this questionable appointment.

Oh wait, you're not American and you don't vote... You're really not relevant to this issue, are you?

Well, for the rest of us, I would encourage you to add your name to this petition: MoveOn Petitions - Tell Obama to Cease FDA Ties to Monsanto

461,458 signatures collected already. Please do your part to help remove corporate influence from the USFDA.

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Oh wait, you're not American and you don't vote... You're really not relevant to this issue, are you?

My voice, and other non Yanks, will stop to be relevant the day the US stays at home and realises once and for all, they are monumental fook up when it comes to their foreign policy. Always have been and always will be.

However, keeping it on topic before Mid or humbert comes storming in deleting my posts or banning me from the thread, Monsanto is so powerful because both Rep and Dem make them powerful - Obama is owned by them 100% and you are freaking dreaming if you believe he will do anything about it. The only thing he has done is get his woman to plant organic veges in the garden - he wont eat the shit he is making the people eat. They are hammering Europe, and of course due to their corrupt nature, in ASia they will be unstoppable as well.

Europe are not as stupid as the US though,. but it is likely that in the not too distant future the only safe place to eat food will be Europe - too late for the US, no seed manufacturers any more, and all the fields are contaminated.

My bet for the US on this issue, you will all be too busy playing the Rep did it OR Dems did it, that you will get into a big public bun fight about who is to blame, and mean while, nothing will change.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Oh wait, you're not American and you don't vote... You're really not relevant to this issue, are you?

My voice, and other non Yanks, will stop to be relevant the day the US stays at home and realises once and for all, they are monumental fook up when it comes to their foreign policy. Always have been and always will be.

Begging your pardon mate, but do I really need to point out that it's thanks to America and her foreign policy that you love to hate that you're not speaking German today...

^ More clueless shite from the troll jockey.

Prescott Bush. Google it sunshine.

Back to the topic of the thread-

Monsanto sued over genetically modified wheat

Wheat farmer claims discovery of Monsanto's herbicide-resistant seed hurt entire industry

WICHITA, Kan. (AP) — A Kansas farmer has sued seed giant Monsanto over last week's discovery of genetically engineered experimental wheat in an 80-acre field in Oregon, claiming the company's gross negligence hurt U.S. growers by driving down wheat prices and causing some international markets to suspend certain imports.


Full article: Monsanto sued over genetically modified wheat