At the US border: 4th Amendment now applies to DHS searches

[robuzo]

This is good news for American privacy advocates, as well as anyone traveling to the US who is concerned that the Dept. of Heimat Security might decide on a whim to seize your electronic devices and search them. No probable cause, no grounds for more than a superficial examination is what the ruling seems to say:
9th Circuit Appeals Court: 4th Amendment Applies At The Border; Also: Password Protected Files Shouldn't Arouse Suspicion | Techdirt
In a somewhat surprising 9th Circuit ruling (en banc, or in front of the entire set of judges), the court ruled that the 4th Amendment does apply at the border, that agents do need to recognize there's an expectation of privacy, and cannot do a search without reason. Furthermore, they noted that merely encrypting a file with a password is not enough to trigger suspicion. This is a huge ruling in favor of privacy rights.

[draco888]

Would it be so hard for them to think up a 'reason' for their suspicion? Meaningless ruling IMO

[Butterfly]

This is good news for American privacy advocates, as well as anyone traveling to the US who is concerned that the Dept. of Heimat Security might decide on a whim to seize your electronic devices and search them. No probable cause, no grounds for more than a superficial examination is what the ruling seems to say:
9th Circuit Appeals Court: 4th Amendment Applies At The Border; Also: Password Protected Files Shouldn't Arouse Suspicion | Techdirt
In a somewhat surprising 9th Circuit ruling (en banc, or in front of the entire set of judges), the court ruled that the 4th Amendment does apply at the border, that agents do need to recognize there's an expectation of privacy, and cannot do a search without reason. Furthermore, they noted that merely encrypting a file with a password is not enough to trigger suspicion. This is a huge ruling in favor of privacy rights.

good news, that will have the conservatives and Bush drone supporters in tears though

they all want Homeland Security to protect them from those dirty terrorists, and we all know libbies are there to protect these dirty smelling terrorists with their privacy laws

[robuzo]

Well, some of us, you know, if our computers and HDs should happen to be seized we can't do our jobs. Just sayin'.

[Boon Mee]

good news, that will have the conservatives and Bush drone supporters in tears though

Out of touch there BF.

Missed the news re Rand Paul in 'tears' for ~13 hours on the Senate Floor did you?

[Butterfly]

should I remind you that the whole "Homeland" thing was Bush and his neocon followers ideas ? of course, it was a very dangerous thing to do and you were warned, but the majority of conservatives, scared of their own shadow, were just too happy to "protect" the homeland against any type of security risks. Now they complain when that institution is being used against them as it was intended since the beginning.

Welcome to the Soviet Union, after all it didn't die, it was just been reincarnated.

Soviet Union = 1
USA = 0 and fucked

[the dogcatcher]

Don't need to worry about the horse porn anymore then.

[draco888]

should I remind you that the whole "Homeland" thing was Bush and his neocon followers ideas ? of course, it was a very dangerous thing to do and you were warned, but the majority of conservatives, scared of their own shadow, were just too happy to "protect" the homeland against any type of security risks. Now they complain when that institution is being used against them as it was intended since the beginning.

Welcome to the Soviet Union, after all it didn't die, it was just been reincarnated.

Soviet Union = 1
USA = 0 and fucked

For how many years is it valid to blame the previous politician for things the current office holder does?

You judge the soviet union to be the winner against the USA?? You have a very very strange perception of reality, right up there with most lunatic of extremist TD posters.

[Butterfly]

For how many years is it valid to blame the previous politician for things the current office holder does?

it's called a legacy and taking responsibilities, something you conservatives have tendency to dodge when it doesn't go your way

conservatives fools have short and compartmentalized memory to resolve the conflict of their political non-sense

[Marmite the Dog]

conservatives

Please use the correct English adjective. They're Nazis, not conservatives.

[draco888]

For how many years is it valid to blame the previous politician for things the current office holder does?

it's called a legacy and taking responsibilities, something you conservatives have tendency to dodge when it doesn't go your way

conservatives fools have short and compartmentalized memory to resolve the conflict of their political non-sense

so you are saying politicians have no power to change/cancel policies of the previous crowd? more 'unusual' views from butterboy.

[draco888]

For how many years is it valid to blame the previous politician for things the current office holder does?

it's called a legacy and taking responsibilities, something you conservatives have tendency to dodge when it doesn't go your way

conservatives fools have short and compartmentalized memory to resolve the conflict of their political non-sense

I'll take your answer as there is an unlimited term for blaming the previous lot.

[Butterfly]

so you are saying politicians have no power to change/cancel policies of the previous crowd?

remember how the republicans were sabotaging Obama effort to close Guatmo etc... ?

you are living in your mum basement, so your vision of reality is a bit distorted

typical conservative dishonesty actually,

[draco888]

so you are saying politicians have no power to change/cancel policies of the previous crowd?

remember how the republicans were sabotaging Obama effort to close Guatmo etc... ?

you are living in your mum basement, so your vision of reality is a bit distorted

typical conservative dishonesty actually,

i'll take that as a 'no' then?

typical apologist.

[Tom Sawyer]

conservatives

Please use the correct English adjective. They're Nazis, not conservatives.

Not really. Not at all actually. Nazis were national socialist who, under Hitler, rightly nationalized some industries and left others in the private sector depending on need and rationality for the good of "all people". So it was actually leftist, where it became too "right" was Hitler doing an all-or-nothing deal with the nationalists who turned a blind eye to the socialist principles in order to do the dirty work (with gusto it must be said) to attack the Jews, gypsies, Slavs etc.. And the rest is, as we know, history (more or less - despite the over-villification - as if that were really needed). But you're right in that most people see the Nazi movement as 'right-wing' - a carefully written history to ensure the "socialism" side of things is forgotten.

[Butterfly]

^^ that's rich from a Bush apologist, covering all his mistakes and trying to blame Obama for it

indeed, apologist

[Butterfly]

conservatives

Please use the correct English adjective. They're Nazis, not conservatives.

Not really. Not at all actually. Nazis were national socialist who, under Hitler, rightly nationalized some industries and left others in the private sector depending on need and rationality for the good of "all people". So it was actually leftist, where it became too "right" was Hitler doing an all-or-nothing deal with the nationalists who turned a blind eye to the socialist principles in order to do the dirty work (with gusto it must be said) to attack the Jews, gypsies, Slavs etc.. And the rest is, as we know, history (more or less - despite the over-villification - as if that were really needed). But you're right in that most people see the Nazi movement as 'right-wing' - a carefully written history to ensure the "socialism" side of things is forgotten.

the correct word is actually "statism" if it exists in English,

socialist in the Nazi context is not correct, as socialism put society and the people first in a peace context, not war to serve the ego needs of a single person, the "state" supreme

"statism" is a form of fascism where everyone is involved in the process, a bit like communism to serve the power needs of a single person

Stalin was "statism", not communism, that's why it failed

[draco888]

^^ that's rich from a Bush apologist, covering all his mistakes and trying to blame Obama for it

indeed, apologist

show me any example where I have apologized for Bush.

This should be interesting but I have the feeling you will introduce something bizarre and unrelated to avoid answering the question, as usual.

[Butterfly]

show me any example where I have apologized for Bush.

by blaming Obama for Bush legacy,

jesus, no wonder you are a Gold trader, can't even put 2+2 together

[draco888]

conservatives

Please use the correct English adjective. They're Nazis, not conservatives.

Not really. Not at all actually. Nazis were national socialist who, under Hitler, rightly nationalized some industries and left others in the private sector depending on need and rationality for the good of "all people". So it was actually leftist, where it became too "right" was Hitler doing an all-or-nothing deal with the nationalists who turned a blind eye to the socialist principles in order to do the dirty work (with gusto it must be said) to attack the Jews, gypsies, Slavs etc.. And the rest is, as we know, history (more or less - despite the over-villification - as if that were really needed). But you're right in that most people see the Nazi movement as 'right-wing' - a carefully written history to ensure the "socialism" side of things is forgotten.

the correct word is actually "statism" if it exists in English,

socialist in the Nazi context is not correct, as socialism put society and the people first in a peace context, not war to serve the ego needs of a single person, the "state" supreme

"statism" is a form of fascism where everyone is involved in the process, a bit like communism to serve the power needs of a single person

Stalin was "statism", not communism, that's why it failed

renaming something which you are a supporter of when it fails is an old weak tactic used by lunatics at both ends of the political spectrum.

[draco888]

show me any example where I have apologized for Bush.

by blaming Obama for Bush legacy,

jesus, no wonder you are a Gold trader, can't even put 2+2 together

SHOW me one example where I have apologised for Bush. This should be very easy for you to do. C'mon butters......

[Butterfly]

SHOW me one example where I have apologised for Bush.

you do everytime you blame Obama for Bush legacy,

you are a screaming Bush supporter, don't deny it. Probably supported the Iraq war too, like a good little authoritarian TREND follower.

[draco888]

So in butterboy world any criticism of a politician=apology for his predecessor? That is a strange reality you created for yourself.

SHOW me my screaming support for Bush.

SHOW me where I supported the Iraq war.

Most people stopped making stuff up about others when they left the playground. Sad to see you in decline like this butters.

I'm an authoritarian? And this coming from someone who favours more and more control by the state!!!