The Gun Issue thread

[David48atTD]

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Guns in a Trump presidency

But President-elect Donald Trump has been vocal in his support of the Second Amendment, which reads, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

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Please, tell me that Trump didn't actually write ... 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms'.

Now, I can't be assed to read the 40 odd previous pages and I'm sure I'll piss more then 1/2 of you off but ...

If guns are the answer, then it was a very silly question.

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[Hugh Cow]

The pro gun lobby and the anti gun lobby will never agree on the gun issue. The facts are that in countries with heavily regulated gun laws(ie: Australia 0.93/100K people) have low rates of gun deaths and countries with low regulation have high rates of gun death(ie: USA 10.5/100K).
Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate
US gun deaths exceed most if not all first world countries and are only exceeded in the third world. According to wiki you're
If Americans are willing to put up with a third world death rate from guns for the sake of owning a weapon they are unlikely to use, then it's their country to f$$k up any way they choose.

[Troy]

The pro gun lobby and the anti gun lobby will never agree on the gun issue.

Well that's pretty much a given Mr. Einstein...

...which one should our average Joe be gunning for..?

[DrB0b]

I love guns. I wish we could have guns here. There are loads of people I'd like to shoot!

[pulvarien]

The other day I read that deaths from heroin have now passed death bye gun in the usofa. Of course the open borders with mexico the demoidiot policy is the cause of this and I hope the dimocrats take notice but they wont. They cant because then theyd have to close the border to illegals and they sure wont do that, so the price to be paid is the number 1 killer of americans is now heroin caused bye demonitwit open border policies which must not be stopped no matter the price. And of course they shall continue to attack guns no matter that is now 2nd in the good old usa.

[wasabi]

There's a documentary on the growth of Heroin use in some places in the USA which concluded that it was prescribed pain killers to patients got them hooked.

[Troy]

^ Morphine based pain-killers? Codeine? Heroin is aka diamorphine so no surprises there.

[Troy]

Little Rock boy, 3, dies in road rage shooting


A three-year-old boy being taken out shopping by his grandmother has been killed in a road rage shooting in Little Rock, Arkansas, US police say.
Their vehicle was fired upon by another driver who thought the woman had not driven quickly enough through a stop sign, police said.
The grandmother drove away but the boy later died in hospital.
Police are hunting for a black Chevrolet Impala but gave few details of the man driving it.
The boy and his grandmother "were completely innocent" and had no relationship with Saturday's gunman, Little Rock Police tweeted.
"This is probably one of the most frustrating things you will encounter in your career when it involves children, particularly of kids that are [at] this age very innocent, they can do very little to protect themselves," said Chief Kenton Buckner.
The victim was struck at least once, police said. His grandmother was initially unaware he had been shot when she drove off, later calling police from a shopping centre.
The identity of the pair has not been released.
Last month, a two-year-old girl was killed in Little Rock when someone drove by and fired into her vehicle. The perpetrator is yet to be found.


Little Rock boy, 3, dies in road rage shooting - BBC News


That's one little kid that won't be shooting his family up ....

[Mr Earl]

There's a documentary on the growth of Heroin use in some places in the USA which concluded that it was prescribed pain killers to patients got them hooked.

The synthetic "weapons grade" opioid hitting the streets nowadays is killing more people than guns!

Makes pure heroin look like health food in comparison.

Apparently the war on drugs is really big success, for big pharma and the DEA.

[DrB0b]

There's a documentary on the growth of Heroin use in some places in the USA which concluded that it was prescribed pain killers to patients got them hooked.

The synthetic "weapons grade" opioid hitting the streets nowadays is killing more people than guns!

Makes pure heroin look like health food in comparison.

Apparently the war on drugs is really big success, for big pharma and the DEA.

Cool, between the drugs and the guns the US might finally be able put a proper dent in its population of useless scumbags.

[Mr Earl]

^How nice, a breath of fresh air from the culturaly impaired!

[DrB0b]

^How nice, a breath of fresh air

You're welcome. I would imagine fresh air is in short supply anywhere near you.

[NZdick1983]

I love guns. I wish we could have guns here. There are loads of people I'd like to shoot!

We don't often agree (ok.. never) but I love guns too!

It will be one of the very few things I'll miss while living in Japan... can't take my gun collection... my dad and brother are going to be the recipients of my guns... buggers are counting down the days...

[Cold Pizza]

Ladies join gun club in Chicago for protection.



23 July 2017
In Chicago, women worried about violence join gun club

© AFP / by Nova SAFO | In the suburbs of violence-wracked Chicago, women have formed a gun club, and are learning to handle firearms to protect themselves

OAK FOREST (UNITED STATES) (AFP) -
Her hands slowed by rheumatoid arthritis, 71-year-old Marietta Crowder stands in front of her paper target, steadies her gun and pulls the trigger. Shots are fired in quick succession.

Crowder is perhaps not the typical patron of a gun club.

But she is one of seven women learning to safely handle firearms at a shooting range in a suburb of Chicago, a city wracked by gun violence and a soaring murder rate.

"My husband influenced me and we thought about it a long time. Maybe you need a gun these days, in your house at least," said Crowder, who lives in a gated community with her retired banker husband.

A fellow retiree, Javondlynn Dunagan, came up with the idea of gun training classes geared toward women, and for the "Ladies of Steel" gun club -- after successful training, the women gather twice a month to practice their skills.

Dunagan served as a parole officer for 25 years before finishing her career in January, but had rarely held a gun when dealing with convicts.

She said she started carrying one after divorcing her police officer husband.

"I was at home by myself with my daughter, and I was used to having a firearm in a home with my ex-husband," she explained. "So, I wanted to make sure that we were safe."

But Dunagan noticed something curious when she visited gun ranges around Chicago to practice.

"I noticed that I never saw two women at the range together or a group of ladies," she recounted.

- 'Scared of guns' -

Dunagan was particularly struck by the lack of African-American women like herself interested in learning how to use firearms.

"I started asking friends and they said, 'Yeah, I'm scared of guns.'"

That answer prompted her to start JMD Defense & Investigations, offering gun training programs geared towards women. The "investigations" side of the business will debut next year.

Dunagan also offers classes such as the "Mommy & Me Self-Defense Class," where women can bring their daughters, ages 8-18 years, to learn hand-to-hand combat.

"That came about because my daughter was going to college four years ago and she couldn't find a self-defense class on the south side of Chicago," Dunagan said.

Her clients are from the predominantly African-American communities in Chicago's south side, in or near neighborhoods struggling with runaway gun violence.

Chicago does not have the worst crime rate in the nation, but owing to its large population -- it's the third-biggest US city -- it has seen a staggering number of killings and shootings.

By mid-July, there had been 1,557 shootings and 369 people murdered so far this year, according to the Chicago Police Department.

Gangs and the drug trade are behind most of the shootings, and they are indiscriminate.

Just this week, a 78-year-old man was wounded in one shooting, and a six-year-old girl and her four-year-old brother were wounded in another. All survived.

- 'People shooting everywhere' -

"Things happen in the neighborhoods all the time," said Shandrea Boyd, a 40-year-old physical therapist wearing a "Black Girls Rock" t-shirt.

Boyd said she wished she did not feel the need to carry a gun, but there were too many others who were armed, she said.

"You see people shooting on expressways. You see people shooting everywhere. You just never know. So you'd better be prepared (rather) than unprepared," she said.

Boyd planned to buy a gun with enough safety features that she would feel comfortable having it at home with her four-year-old child.

That will likely be an expensive proposition. Purchasing a gun can cost several hundred to thousands of dollars. A concealed gun permit in the state of Illinois costs another $150.

The process is not for those without means. But, for students like Rhonda Gary, the cost is worth it.

"I get up before daylight and I live alone," said the 51-year-old railroad worker. "I've been broken into before."

Gary was also joining Dunagan's gun club to get regular practice shooting with other women.

"I think it will be a little bit of comfort," she said. "A feeling of security."

http://www.france24.com/en/20170723-...-join-gun-club

[Grampa]

With the recent crime committed and discourse which has ensued it's worth resurrecting this topic, IMO.

I learned after the Mandalay Bay massacre several things about the gun laws that I was unaware of.

With the current make up of Congress and Senate, I doubt there will be any legislative response as a result of Vegas.


"Pump Stock Shooters" are legal:
GOP introduces new gun suppressor law - CNN Video

More:

Paddock could have used a Hellfire or a bump-fire device, which attach to normal semi-automatic rifles and allow them to fire more rapidly, Ayoob said. These devices are legal, but rarely used by serious shooters, he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...semi-automatic


Here is a bill introduced by 3 GOP lawmakers to make it easier to buy sliencers:

GOP introduces new gun suppressor law - CNN Video

[AntRobertson]

All of this is covered in the current thread(s) on the same topic... You stupid, self-obsessed, multinicking, thread-bumping cnut.

However before this post is deleted - as it most assuredly will be - I'd like to ask, and not for the first-time, how and why does this insipid cnut get away with his multinicking and thread-bumping.

It's clearly an anathema to forum discussion to have a twat bumping his own threads with a series of his own multinicks and isn't appreciated by the majority of posters.

A lot of these threads just end up as spam-a-thons of YouTube videos posted in an unbroken chain of Milkman - -> Barbaro - - > Cold Pizza - - > Grampa dribble.

[cyrille]

Damn...red jammed.

[Grampa]

I don't like Inslee but this may be a good thing. Or, a start, at least:

Inslee urges gun regulation in Washington state after Las Vegas shooting

Gov. Jay Inslee calls for gun regulations after Las Vegas shooting | The News Tribune

[jabir]

I think they should make guns illegal, that should stop people slaughtering the masses.

Worked well with drugs.

[misskit]

I think they should make guns illegal, that should stop people slaughtering the masses.

Don't think you will find many Americans who think guns should be illegal. What you will find is most Americans wanting to make certain types of guns illegal.

[Grampa]

Don't think you will find many Americans who think guns should be illegal. What you will find is most Americans wanting to make certain types of guns illegal.

Exactly.

Concealed Weapons Permits (CWPs) are allowed in 37 states.

Fine by me, it's only handguns and they have to be concealed, although some states allow Open Carry.

I've had 2 CWPs.

[cyrille]

Concealed Weapons Permits (CWPs) are allowed in 37 states.

Fine by me, it's only handguns and they have to be concealed

Thanks for clearing that up.

Is that where the name comes from?

[cyrille]

I think they should make guns illegal, that should stop people slaughtering the masses.

Worked well with drugs.

Yeah and it's not as if tighter restrictions have resulted in far fewer gun deaths per head of population in countless other countries.

Oh wait!

And you know full well it isn't an 'all or nothing' issue.

[Slick]

Be sure to ban murder too.

[jabir]

Yeah and it's not as if tighter restrictions have resulted in far fewer gun deaths per head of population in countless other countries.

Oh wait!

And you know full well it isn't an 'all or nothing' issue.

Notice anything odd about blaming the bomber after a bombing, the driver after a drink drive accident, but the gun after a shooting?

Probably not, roll on...