showing a voting ID to vote, seems quite reasonable, every other civilized countries do it, why not the backward USA ?
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showing a voting ID to vote, seems quite reasonable, every other civilized countries do it, why not the backward USA ?
Whatever trip I'm on it has never included being against voter ID laws. I think it would be very incongruent of me to tout Japanese gun laws as some of the best in the world and then say, "But their voter ID laws suck".Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Yes, and IMO, photo IDs - and accurate IDs should be required to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storekeeper
There is enough fraud as it is in many areas - including people voting more than once and illegals voting.
I know people (including my parents) that could actually vote in 2 states b/c of they qualify as residents as both.
As we know in the past (and likely the present):
dead people vote
illegals vote
people vote more than once
ballots are thrown in the garbage
electronic voting fraud has occurred with Diebold E-voting machines
E-voting machines have malfunctioned
Completely untrue and I bet you will come back with some bogus breitfart article telling me otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
Because in the US there is a long history of voter suppression by the right in the US. Voter suppression is the real problem in the US. Voter fraud has been proven time and again to be so microscopically small that it is insignificant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
U.S. voter turnout trails most developed countries | Pew Research CenterQuote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Seems to me the real problem is low voter turn out.
^ If you want to deny the long history of voter suppression and Gerrymandering in the US than that is on you. I posted a thread that I started that documents many Supreme court rulings against the states guilty of gerrymandering almost all of them in red states.
logic is not your strong point I see. Having a national permanent voting ID would make that go away, so it's pretty much an argument for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Letting locals organizing the voters list is a recipe for disaster, could make sense in the 19th century, but today ?
national voting IDs for everyone with a central office and clear rulebook for including voters, not letting local counties or states organizing it
^ Why do you continue to post in American political threads? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Well no shit dumbass. That is just not the reality. The states run elections not the federal government. They draw the voting boundaries and set the rules. If you would like to learn something you can read this thread below...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
https://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner/...-decision.html
You won't because you don't have the attention span.
Crikes Sakes....
I am losing track of all these investigations going on. Just when you figure one case against Hillary is being explained away...then you got another one popping up.
Yeah, I realize dems don't care....but four years of this krap is going to get old.
Best news will be when she finally just gives up.
^ Most of what you people are pushing is lies and distortion. I do not want a racist, sexist, Islamophobic man destroying my country for the next four years. The fact that this is still a race is showing how sickening you racist southern shitbags are.
Voter suppression: I agree Republicans have tried all sorts of scams to prevent voting. But hardly any of them, if any, involved people with valid IDs showing up at valid polling centers to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
I guess I'm kind of perplexed why it would be a problem to come out and say voter ID would be required starting in 2020. That gives even low income people and handicapped people plenty of heads up to get the proper ID.
Gerrymandering: Yep, huge problem.
IMHO it's not just an issue of requiring a proper ID for voting. You shouldn't be able to purchase/register a gun without proper ID either.
Then fine don't address the long standing racist bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storekeeper
The Asians have ID, people from India and middle East have ID, but some people - not all - but some people cannot get an ID because they are black?Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
That's an excuse.
I swiped this quote from a BBC article:Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
"Estimates suggest that 11% of eligible voters in the United States lack one of the forms of photo ID that are generally required by these strict photos ID laws, and they are disproportionately black, Latino, low income, students and elderly voters."
US Election 2016: Voter ID laws threaten lifelong voters - BBC News
In terms of having a valid ID to vote by 2020 ... What is it that's preventing these people from obtaining proper ID? What could we do to help these people get their IDs?
In China I got a season pass to a waterpark and it had my name and photo on it. Wonder if that would be acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storekeeper
But seriously, anyone who can't, won't get their shit together to get a photo ID probabaly shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.
They should go back to the old English system where only landholders/ratepayers are eligible to vote.
Don't U.S. citizens have a social security number that follows them everywhere?
They should just have to show their social security number maybe.
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Originally Posted by Storekeeper
There is absolutely nothing preventing them from getting an idea, my wife's sister came from Thailand to Oregon for six months within 2 weeks she had an Oregon state ID. She was in Oregon on a 6 month visa not a green card.
Social security cards don't have a photo. And also resident aliens (green card holders not eligible to vote) have a social security card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cujo
Did a quick google search and saw there are "several million" green card holders in the USA.
I got a Thai Driving licence with my name and photo on it within one month of me arriving here:)Quote:
Originally Posted by RPETER65Quote:
Originally Posted by Storekeeper
There is absolutely nothing preventing them from getting an idea, my wife's sister came from Thailand to Oregon for six months within 2 weeks she had an Oregon state ID. She was in Oregon on a 6 month visa not a green card.
god you retard, that's exacty my point, have the states let the voting id be run at the federal level, not local levels to stop that kind of manipulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
but of course, since both parties play with those lines, not going to happen
so technically "disfrenchinzing" voters is rigging election, and technically another form of election fraud
so in case you didn't get my point, pothead
a national voting id will stop voting fraud, and that includes excluding certain voters on county/state lines
Must admit Snubbie I'm very suspicious (More like intrigued by) of your motives and what it is you're holding back ... It can't be national elections so it's gotta be local elections that concern you (Or both). And it's gotta be the big cities like Seattle and places, like Cleveland, that are blue in the red states for instance. Places that voter fraud could be swept under the rug. Sounds like a possible left wing tactic to counter gerrymandering.
Exactly. 4 years and so many investigations you've lost track and they STILL can't pin anything on her. And you think it's HER that should give up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeyLikesU
You right wing fever swamp numpties are thick as bricks aren't you.
Louis Farrakhan hasn't any love for Hillary!
Louis Farrakhan Compares Hillary To Black Community's Hitler | The Daily Caller
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they never caught Al Capone either on his murderer charges,Quote:
Originally Posted by Cujo
^ Sheeit! I be all outa greenies, fusckinghell!
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