Thread: 2016 Democratic US Presidential Candidates

Originally Posted by Norton

Running her down as practiced against Obama is a twice proven loser.

No 'running her down', just illuminating her high points!

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

No 'running her down', just illuminating her high points!

Looked at your link listing her "high points". Appears to be pretty much factual.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Sorry to break it to you Boon - they are all crooks

I have never liked her - she's a duplicitous bitch - that said, she did a decent job at State once she reinvented herself as a diplomat. What I just don't get is how Bill, one of the most hypocritical lying fucks of all time, has managed to reinvent himself as a revered elder statesman. At least that kunt Carter pretty much drifted off quietly (for the most part) to build hobbit houses.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

One has integrity and the other is totally devoid of any ethics or honesty.

We know booner, but you honestly shouldn't compare yourself to Norton. It might compromise the vacuum seal of your right wing info suit.

It is obviously very early days indeed, and Hillary is the only credible candidate at this stage. That doesn't mean she will be Potus, but given that she is already campaigning- assisted by the formidable Clinton & cronies political machine- speculation is inevitable, and credible. It is occluded thinking not to keep an open mind, but at this stage it looks like her only real challenger will be whomever she has to fight for the Democrat nomination. The GOP is in a mess, even they know that.

So the emphasis of the pro Hillary spin (and if you know how to smell spin, there is a lot of it around- this over three years before the next Potus campaign season) will be that she is the inevitable choice, a logical, natural successor to the incumbent. Of course, she isn't- nobody is. Rarely does US politics follow such a predictable, apparently preplanned path- if it did, you certainly wouldn't have a President Obama now.

Here is why I suspect Hillary will not be the next Potus. Hillary gets pretty good press for her time as Secretary of State, assisted now doubt by her formidable mentors. But the fact is- a fact that is widely obscured unfortunately- she was offside with the Obama administration on many, if not most major foreign policy issues. Basically, Hillary is 'neocon light'. But can't you see which way the wind is blowing inside the Beltway- Kerry is the new SoS, Hagel the new SecDef. Hillary represents the continuation of a status quo which, while still influential in the US, is increasingly on the outer- mainly because it's results were, almost uniformly, a disaster.

She will have the support of the Clinton political machine, much of the mainstream media (ably assisted by AIPAC etc), and a strong boost in the women's vote is a given- like them, she used to menstruate. That's formidable. She will, obviously, be presented as the logical, credible choice. But I think the wind is blowing the other way. She will 'do her dash' too soon- it is happening right now. Unlike the modern GOP, the Dem's will likely have no shortage of credible candidates, and I believe another challenger (at least one) will arise and gain momentum who will more adequately capture the zeitgeist of the times. Sorry Hillary- 'tis one thing to hum along to 'the times they are a changin', but another thing to learn from it..

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I have never liked her - she's a duplicitous bitch - that said, she did a decent job at State once she reinvented herself as a diplomat. What I just don't get is how Bill, one of the most hypocritical lying fucks of all time, has managed to reinvent himself as a revered elder statesman. At least that kunt Carter pretty much drifted off quietly (for the most part) to build hobbit houses.

It really gets down to that she is just another member of the extended establishment.

People needn't slobber over themselves pretending she might be something different and refreshing.

Originally Posted by sabang

Sorry Hillary- 'tis one thing to hum along to 'the times they are a changin', but another thing to learn from it..

I believe she and her advisers have learned from it. She stormed out of the blocks when she ran before and let Obama overtake her at the wire. His message was about change, hers restoration. His political organization skills superior to hers. He was cooler than her. He had more respect from the voters. Last but perhaps the biggest reason for her loss was over confidence of being unbeatable.

You can be sure Hillary will not make the same mistakes again. She will have Bill and Obama support and the political machine that comes with them.

Hillary will be POTUS unless an obscure female Latino community organizer jumps in the race.

Win or lose nothing will change. Only way anything will change in US politics is to get rid of the two major parties whose only significant difference is in their names.

I am a Republican but if Hillary runs and her health is good I hope she makes it for eight years in office.

Originally Posted by Ceburat1

I am a Republican but if Hillary runs and her health is good I hope she makes it for eight years in office.

Why?

Because her name is out there?

Because she's done so well as Sec. of State: "What difference does it make" I basically killed that ambassador.

Because she's managed to squirm out of all the scandals she's been embroiled in since before Whitewater?

Jesus wept...

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I have never liked her - she's a duplicitous bitch - that said, she did a decent job at State once she reinvented herself as a diplomat.

she did a terrible job as State, confirming she is a worthless piece of garbage

I hope she won't run, she is a dangerous bitch,

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

What I just don't get is how Bill, one of the most hypocritical lying fucks of all time, has managed to reinvent himself as a revered elder statesman

because he is a revered elder statesman, with the full blessing of the Bush gang on the top of that

Originally Posted by S Landreth

EXCLUSIVE: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will hit the paid speaking circuit this spring (likely April or May) and has selected the Harry Walker Agency, which represents President Clinton, as her agent. Industry officials expect that she will be one of the highest paid speakers in the history of the circuit, with fees well into the six figures in the United States and abroad. Secretary Clinton will likely do some speeches for no fee for causes she champions, and expects to occasionally donate her fees for charitable purposes. Clinton, who will maintain her homes in Washington and Chappaqua, is also beginning to make decisions about the book she has said she will write, an account of her four years as secretary of State. Non-profit work will be another component of her new life, perhaps through her husband’s foundation or one of her own.

money: HILLARY CLINTON UNVEILS FIRST PHASE OF NEW LIFE

Spare us.

Another beauracrat and future politician on a speaking tour and penning (yet another) book.

New ideas ... New blood ... Stand down Hillary. Give us some new blood to bash on both sides of the aisle.

If she runs I think she will lose. Even Bill's popularity wasn't enough to beat Obama.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Get used to it.


Marco Rubio: 27 – 15 (Rubio is a joke and I don’t see why anyone would even waste the time or money including Rubio in a poll)

Clinton is an old bag, 70 is too old to run. I don't see why anyone would even waste time starting a thread about this old hag.

Hillary is old hat. Way to old to make it.
Bill went to North Korea and rescued 2 U.S journalists from death row.

I think the GOP is frightened of her and that is what all this Benghazi shite is about; they are trying to build it up to use against her if she does decide to run in 2016.

^
B.S.

Benghazie-Gate is just starting to unravel. There's been a huge coverup of who, what & why and guess what? The Hildebeast is right at the center of the whole mess.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Benghazie-Gate is just starting to unravel.

Yeh, kind of a slow burner. Like birtherism.


Blessed are the peacemongers, for they have dubbed Hillary:-

Mama Warbucks

Her presidential campaign has received far more money from defense contractors than any other candidate -- Democrat or Republican -- and her close ties to the defense industry has led the Village Voice to refer to her as " Mama Warbucks." She has even fought the Bush administration in restoring funding for some of the very few weapons systems the Bush administration has sought to cut in recent years. Pentagon officials and defense contractors have given Senator Clinton high marks for listening to their concerns, promoting their products and leveraging her ties to the Pentagon, comparing her favorably to the hawkish former Washington Senator " Scoop" Jackson and other pro-military Democrats of earlier eras.

Clinton has also demonstrated a marked preference for military confrontation over negotiation. In a speech before the Council on Foreign Relations, she called for a "tough-minded, muscular foreign and defense policy." Similarly, when her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination Senator Barack Obama expressed his willingness to meet with Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro or other foreign leaders with whom the United States has differences, she denounced him for being "irresponsible and frankly naive."
full Article- Hillary Clinton's Militarism Exposed | Alternet

Let us happily bid a not-so-fond farewell—is good riddance too strong a term?—to Hillary Clinton, who for the past four years has represented the hawkish end of the Obama administration.

Latest evidence: The New York Times post-Clinton evaluation of her tenure that reveals, for the first time, that Clinton joined former CIA Director David Petraeus is a proposal to get the United States directly involved in arming and training the Syrian rebels.

Thankfully, Clinton-Petraeus were overruled by the White House.

Good Riddance to Warmonger Hillary Clinton | The Nation


The worry bead set certainly won't endorse Hillary, but they don't have much influence in Washington. They are quite correct however, she's no dove.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Give us some new blood to bash on both sides of the aisle.

Would be refreshing but ain't gonna happen. The system is rigged. The GOP and Dems have a death grip on political power. Power attained via corporate contributions, Supreme Court judges beholding to them, and a media dedicated to promoting them at the exclusion of candidates who have policies contrary to the status quo.

Just getting on the ballot is a rigged process. Ballot laws are controlled by individual states. These laws where passed by state governments who are either the GOP or Dems and predictably make it very difficult for anyone other than GOP/Dem to qualify. Democratic and Republican parties easily obtain ballot access in all fifty states in every election, third parties often fail to meet criteria for ballot access, such as registration fees. In many states, they do not meet petition requirements in which a certain number of voters must sign a petition for a third party or independent candidate to gain ballot access.

Ross Perot's Reform Party is the only one I recall who managed to get on the ballot in all 50 states. He didn't win but made it a good race primarily using his own personal wealth to fund his campaign. Fed up with both major parties long before Perot ran, I voted for him more in protest than in any hope he would win in a rigged game. He added a level of common sense and entertainment to the campaign. To this day politicians use his memorable quote "giant sucking sound" re US job losses in his opposition to Clinton's NAFTA trade aggreement.

If there is any hope a 3rd party candidate will become Pres, it will have to be someone with near unlimited funds, policies appealing to a broad demographic, a political machine to get out the vote, and the charisma and speaking ability to deliver his/her message.

Come out come out wherever you are?

She will be unstoppable; The high favorability among voters for Hillary, the Obama grassroots machine solidly behind Clinton, Bill's popularity and energy and most importantly Republican stupidity, ineptitude and extremism.

Coming on strong:

^Unelectable except in extremist states like Kentucky. He is a tin foil hatter who believes in many conspiracy theories - a total dingbat.

Originally Posted by Humbert

^Unelectable except in extremist states like Kentucky. He is a tin foil hatter who believes in many conspiracy theories - a total dingbat.

In other words you reckon Libertarianism should not emphasize political freedom and individual rights?