Thread: WWIII?

Unfortunately an extreme Jew wants to be re-elected, which is the cause of this latest murder of innocent Gaza citizens by a terrorist run country, aided, armed and egged on by the crusader coalition.

Originally Posted by Troy

^ It may have become boring many years ago but it is still the main cause of friction in the World.

Only because the west can't keep it's nose out of it. Leave it to them and their gods and it would be a local problem.

And don't give me the humanitarian crap. These nutcases spread chaos because of their mad religious beliefs, let them lve, and die, by it instead of always giving them a free pass to create more shit.

Originally Posted by superman

Originally Posted by alitongkat

its about the occupation in 2012...

But isn't that the fault of the Arabs ? If they hadn't seen fit to try and wipe Israel of the map then Israel wouldn't have taken their land as punishment ? The allies took compensation from Germany after WW2 in fiancial terms, but the Jews took their compensation in the form of land. Good for them, tough shit the Arabs.

the intl community (UN) has agreed on the 67-borders, up to negotiations on some parts...

its also AGAINST intl law (this was changed after WWII ), that the winning side can just "confiscate" (annex) the conquered territory...
its also against intl law to settle there... (bringing in the own population)

these annexations happend before WWII, but since then this doesnt work today anymore...

the occupied territories are just that --- "occupied"...

yes, its the arabs fault and they had better stayed at home - not just in 48...
but this doesnt change the fact, that the conquered area is NOT israel... its occupied... and the palestinians have every right (backed by intl law) to become an independent state...

Originally Posted by OhOh

Unfortunately an extreme Jew wants to be re-elected, which is the cause of this latest murder of innocent Gaza citizens by a terrorist run country, aided, armed and egged on by the crusader coalition.

You are offensive to Muslims. You are saying Alah is weak(er). You should be stoned.

Originally Posted by alitongkat

the intl community (UN) has agreed on the 67-borders, up to negotiations on some parts...

So you think that Israel going to the negotiating table with the pre-1967 borders on offer will resolve the issue...and the Arabs will believe that Israel are sincere in wanting peace based on these borders.

Is that what you are saying Ali?

...and you think that Israel will accept the loss of Judea and Samaria?
..and you think the Arabs will accept less than the original 1947 borders...even though they fought against them from the outset?
..and you think the Arabs will believe the Western Powers after the betrayal of the Sykes-Picot Agreement?

... and you think that history is meaningless and everything should start from today?


Fair enough...that is your opinion. It is not mine.

troy.... the current palestinian leader mahmoud abbas went to the UN (some two years ago or so), and asked for the palestinian state (declaration)... based on the 67 borders...

the UN security council approved that...
the USA vetoed the UNSC decision...
if the US hadnt vetoed, the palestinians would have their state by now...

yes, "the arabs" - but in fact only the palestinians in the territories have to decide - agree on the 67 borders...
the arab league stands behind abbas proposal to israel (67 borders)...

...so, and your opinion apparently is, that keeping the occupation will make things better than without?

King David and Soloman declared Jerusalem capital of the Jewish nation in 1000 BC

What are you lot on about

If only it was that simple Ali....but unfortunately it isn't. No way will Israel go back to the 1967 Borders and no way will the Arabs end the conflict if they did. The talk is about 1967 borders with adjustments for Israeli settlements in certain areas and what happens to Jerusalem?

My view Ali will never be realised...It would be a single Palestine in which Jews and Arabs lived, as they had done quite happily, in the area West of the River Jordan. No Country within a Country...just living together as per the original wishes of the Balfour Declaration.

Originally Posted by Troy

My view Ali will never be realised...It would be a single Palestine in which Jews and Arabs lived, as they had done quite happily, in the area West of the River Jordan. No Country within a Country...just living together as per the original wishes of the Balfour Declaration.

It's a good plan - extmists on both sides will never allow it. Yitzak Rabin was killed because of it, by an extremist Jew. Israel needs to clean house of their radicals, just as the Palestinians need to do the same. Neither will happen, sadly.

Originally Posted by Plan B

Interesting stuff, Troy.

So what happened to cause the first Arab - Israeli war?

I assume "the first" would be the one that started 12 hours after Israel declared sovereignty.

Which is the only thing that caused this first agression - Israel daring to declare sovereignty, the Arabs attacking them, and subsequently getting their ass handed to them (a situation the Arabs would grow increasingly familiar with).

Originally Posted by superman

Originally Posted by alitongkat

its about the occupation in 2012...

But isn't that the fault of the Arabs ? If they hadn't seen fit to try and wipe Israel of the map then Israel wouldn't have taken their land as punishment ? The allies took compensation from Germany after WW2 in fiancial terms, but the Jews took their compensation in the form of land. Good for them, tough shit the Arabs.

Yep, and losing land is the only lesson the Arabs would understand. Nothing wrong in taking it away from them, if they were the ones to attack.

Originally Posted by Troy

No way will Israel go back to the 1967 Borders

You may well be wrong?

under international pressure and unwilling to suffer Palestinian terrorist warfare, many Israelis are ready to return to pre-1967 borders of Israel.

Jews want Palestinian land in the West Bank, but not the war for Palestine with Arabs. Israeli Jews may annex and settle Palestinian territories.

Originally Posted by Troy

If only it was that simple Ali....but unfortunately it isn't. No way will Israel go back to the 1967 Borders and no way will the Arabs end the conflict if they did. The talk is about 1967 borders with adjustments for Israeli settlements in certain areas and what happens to Jerusalem? My view Ali will never be realised...It would be a single Palestine in which Jews and Arabs lived, as they had done quite happily, in the area West of the River Jordan. No Country within a Country...just living together as per the original wishes of the Balfour Declaration.

I don't think it's simple either mate.

As I've stated before, and as the informed bunch on here know, the history of all the tribes involved in the area lay claims and have umbilical attachments to this small part of the planet.

Any logical dispassionate onlooker say's split it up. - Indeed, as we know, it has been attempted many times in different formats, and yet to date we stand on the precipice of a fall into a war which would very likely be nuclear and involve a large percentage of this planet.

Sad as fuck, but the nature of the beast so to speak.

The Balfour declaration, Churchill white paper and all other deals will take a back stage if this goes through;
Israeli MK: I Will Submit Bill to Annex West Bank if PA Tries Statehood




by William Bigelow 15 Nov 2012
Yariv Levin of the Likud Party in Israel said yesterday that he has a bill ready for the Knesset that calls for Israel to retain sovereignty over the Biblical areas of Judea and Samaria, what others call the West Bank. Levin, chairman of the Knesset’s House Committee, said that if the Palestinian Authority proceeds with demanding statehood at the United Nations as they plan to do at the end of this month, he will proceed with his bill in January after the Israeli elections:

Regardless of the Palestinian move we should have applied sovereignty long ago, but the unilateral move by the Palestinians is a good time to do so. Our response should not come retroactively. It should come right now. We should prepare a draft decision that adopts Justice Edmund Levy’s report in full, and complete the submission of the bills which call for Israeli sovereignty in Judea and Samaria. The bills are ready and can be submitted immediately after the election.

If the Palestinian Authority proceeds with demanding statehood, it would abrogate the Oslo Accords, which stipulated that the Palestinian Authority must negotiate with Israel before it declares a Palestinian state. The Israeli Foreign Ministry has instructed its ambassadors to explain that if the PA goes ahead and abrogates the accords, Israel will announce that it is “canceling them partially or completely.”
Israeli MK: I Will Submit Bill to Annex West Bank if PA Tries Statehood

Mind you, their hero Arafat (good riddance) sabotaged and rejected the Oslo accords.

So the road to annexation is even clearer.

Originally Posted by superman

You may well be wrong?

I really wish I was wrong...but both sides would go to any negotiation with a non-negotiable deal that gave them slightly more than the 1967 border....None of those at the negotiating table would back down from their own proposal...because none of them are strong enough to do so.

The Israeli Likud Party is the Political voice of Revisionist Zionism...so we have extremism on both sides...never good for diplomacy, as I said before.