Paul Ryan Thread

[S Landreth]

Paul Ryan says seniors have nothing to worry about when it comes to Medicare and Social Security if there's a Republican in the White House.

Ryan isn't telling the truth.

Ryan Touts Medicare Program He Wants To End At Florida Rally

Facts vs Fiction

RYAN (Fiction): “The President raided $716 billion from the Medicare program to pay for the Obamacare program.”

Fact: Obamacare’s $716B in Medicare cuts, which Ryan included in the GOP budget, would slow the growth of Medicare over the next decade (2013-2022) and would not affect seniors’ benefits. Instead, the savings would eliminate overpayments to private insurers, reform provider payments to encourage greater efficiency, tie reimbursements to improvements in economic productivity, and reduce fraud and abuse. As a result, the solvency of the Medicare trust fund is extended by 8 years.

RYAN (Fiction): “He puts a board of 15 unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats in charge of Medicare, who are required to cut Medicare in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors.”

Fact: The Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) is tasked with making binding recommendations to Congress for lowering health care spending should costs increase too rapidly. The panel’s plan will modify payments to providers but cannot “include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums…increase Medicare beneficiary cost- sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co- payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria” (Section 3403 of the ACA). Its members are appointed by the president but confirmed by the Senate. Ryan himself proposed two IPAB-like structures in a 2009 health plan.

RYAN (Fiction): “One out of six of our hospitals and our nursing homes will go out of business as a result of this. Four million seniors are projected to lose their Medicare Advantage plans that they enjoy and they chose today under this Obamacare plan.”

Fact: Far from destroying Medicare Advantage, the choices available through the program are “stronger than ever.” Premiums for the program are lower and enrollment has increased since Obamacare became law. Studies have also shown that the provider cuts in the law will lead doctors and hospitals — who will see an influx of new patients enter the health care system as a result of reform — to improve productivity and efficiency, resulting in substantial savings throughout the health care system.

RYAN (Fiction): “Our solution to preserve, protect and save Medicare does not affect your benefits [for those 55 or older].”

Fact: By repealing Obamacare, Romney and Ryan would affect the 16 million seniors receiving preventive benefits without deductibles or co-pays as a result of the law and the current beneficiaries who have saved more than $3.9 billion on prescription drugs. Romney/Ryan’s plan to introduce “premium support” into the Medicare system could also increase premiums for existing beneficiaries as private insurers lure healthier seniors out of the traditional Medicare program.

RYAN (Fiction): “[F]or those of us who are younger, when we become Medicare-eligible, we get a choice of guaranteed coverage options, guaranteed affordability, including traditional Medicare.”

Fact: Under the Romney/Ryan plan, future retirees will have a choice of traditional Medicare or private insurance and will receive a pre-determined government “premium support” payment with which to purchase coverage. That support will not keep up with health care costs and seniors could pay up to $5,900 more by 2050. The plan saves the federal government money by shifting costs to beneficiaries, but does not say how it will lower health costs throughout the health care system.

Tell them anything but the truth: Ryan Touts Medicare Program He Wants To End At Florida Rally



August 2012 Poll just out.

Paul Ryan .............................................. liked 33, disliked 32
Mitt Romney .......................................... liked 38, disliked 44
The Republican Party ............................ liked 36, disliked 45

Wonderful brand, today’s GOP: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se..._Int_Sched.pdf


Ryan has a detailed economic plan that Dim Mitt says is consistent with his (Romney doesn’t have a detailed plan). Here’s Ryan’s plan,……….

[Boon Mee]

Heh...Ryan is becoming a great asset to Romney in ways other than exposing the Medicare lies Obama is spouting. For example he's resurrected that famous line Obama dribbled showing what an elitist he is:

Ryan revives Obama gaffe, says he’s ‘happy to be clinging to guns, religion.’

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) began resurrecting some of President Obama’s most famous gaffes on the campaign trail Tuesday, reminding a crowd assembled at a Pennsylvania steel plant of the president’s remark four years ago that some voters are “clinging to their guns and religion.”


“Remember this other time when he said people want to cling to their guns and religion?” Ryan said. “Hey, I’m a Catholic deer hunter, I’m happy to be clinging to my guns and religion.”


Go Paul, go!

[attaboy]

I recall a fraudulent 2000 Supreme Court decision

Why was it fraudulent?

I present my argument here (posts 282 and 283):


https://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...ml#post2116808

[Boon Mee]

Guess the narrative about those 'oldsters' not going for Romney/Ryan was just so much more made up shit, eh?

SENIORS LOVE RYAN: WAPO/ABC POLL KILLS DEM NARRATIVE

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows 41 percent of Americans view the new GOP vice presidential nominee favorably, while 37 percent rate him unfavorably — slightly improved from last week’s polling.

Among seniors, though, the numbers are even better for Ryan: 50 percent favorable and 35 percent unfavorable. Fully one-third of seniors say they have a strongly favorable view of the Wisconsin congressman, while one-quarter have a strongly unfavorable view."

Source

Put that in yer Bong and hit it!

[MrG]

I knew there was a reason I love the Irish, just never knew exactly why.
Here's one below.

(Not really sure where this belongs, but considering his policies and supporters, I guess Paul Ryan thread is the most appropriate.)

http://www.upworthy.com/a-tea-partier-decided-to-pick-a-fight-with-a-foreign-president-it-didnt-go-so-we

[Boon Mee]

This little piece re Paul Ryan is worth a read:

OUR NEXT VICE PRESIDENT???
Lost in America Well, early Saturday morning we learned that Congressman Paul Ryan,Republican fromWisconsin, is to be Mitt Romney's pick for the nextVice President of The United States.What are we to think of this selection? He's not a graduate ofColumbiaUniversity. He's not a graduate of Harvard. He wasn'tSelected as the President of the Harvard Law Review. He didn't get aSpecial free quota scholarship ride to any prestigious university and,Instead, had to work his way through Miami University of Ohio. ForGod's sake the man drove the Oscar Mayer Wiener Truck one summer andWaited tables another!One morning when Paul Ryan was sixteen years old he went in to wakehis father up and found him dead of a heart attack. He didn't writeTwo books about that experience. Instead, he assumed the role ofadult at an early age, never having the luxury to pursue youthful druguse and the art of socialist revolution.

Instead, Paul Ryan and his mother took his grandmother, suffering from
Alzheimers, into the household and served as the primary care providerfor his grandma. His grandma wasn't the Vice President of the Bank ofHawaii so she could offer nothing in return, except the element of"need".Once Paul Ryan got his BA in Economics from Miami University of Ohiohe was hired as a staff economist in Wisconsin Senator Kastin'soffice. The job must have not paid well because young Ryanmoonlighted as a waiter and fitness trainer. No one offered him a"token honor" position at theUniversityofChicagoand a $200,000dollar a year salary.

When a still young Paul Ryan returned toWisconsinto run for Congress
he didn't demonize his opponent and dig up dirt to shovel against him. He waited until the standing Congressman vacated the office beforeseeking the office. InJanesville,Wisconsinthey don't have a bigpolitical machine to promote you, to criminalize your opponent;instead Paul Ryan had to go door to door and sit at kitchen tables and listen to his future constituents.

After getting elected to Congress Paul Ryan didn't triumphantly march intoWashington, buy himself aGeorgetowntownhouse and proceed overtoK Streetto rub elbows with lobbyists. He bunked in hisCongressional office and used the house gym for showers and a freshchange of clothes.Paul Ryan then married and took his bride back toJanesville. Helives on the same street he lived on as a kid and shares theneighborhood with eight other members of the Ryan clan. He hunts withthe localJanesvillehunt club and attends PTA meetings and othercivic functions.For those who can't make those public functions, Paul Ryan bought anold bread truck, converted it into a "mobile constituent office" anddrives around to meet with those who need his help and attention.No, I don't know if we can vote for a guy like this. He doesn't havea regal pedigree; he's Irish for God's sake! No one awarded him aNobel Peace Prize two months after getting elected. No one threwflowers or got "chills down their leg" as a he took his seat inCongress.What is most despicable about Paul Ryan is that he has had the nerveto write the House Budget for three years in a row. He is brazenand heartless in advocating in that budget for a $5 trillion reduction in federal spending over the next ten years! The Housepassed his budget three years in a row and three years in a row theDemocratically controlled Senate has let it die in the upper house,without ever proposing a budget of their own. What is wrong withthis guy? If Congress were to cut $5 trillion dollars from the budgetwhere would the President get the money to give $500 million dollarsto a bankrupt Solyndra? Or $200 million dollars for bankrupt Energy1? Or $11 billion dollars to illegal aliens filing INIT, non-residenttax returns to claim child tax credits, evenfor their children living inMexico?I don't know. Paul Ryan seems heartless to me. He keeps wanting tocut government waste, he keeps wanting to put a halt to those big GSAconventions in Vegas and, worse, he keeps trying to make people lookat that $16.7 trillion dollar deficit! The guy's no fun at all!Who wants a numbers cruncher? Who wants someone spoiling the party byshowing folks the bill? Nothing will spoil a party quicker thansending the host the bill before the party's over.

Source

Indeed...

Ryan can't evoke that Liberal White Guilt nor can he falsely take credit for others accomplishments. What a sad fellow indeed.

[sabang]

Nothing will spoil a party quicker thansending the host the bill before the party's over.

Sure, so heres your bill -

Paul Ryan, the plucky burger-flippin' success story from darkest Janesville, Wisconsin, had amassed a fortune of "between three and $7.7 million" without having held a more lucrative job than "Congressman" at any point in his adult life.

Then, I noticed another item. Namely, that:
Mr. Ryan reported two tax-deferred college savings plans, with a combined value of between $150,000 and $300,000. He also reported two investment partnerships worth, in total, between $350,000 and $750,000, mostly containing shares of stock in well-known companies, including Apple, Goodrich, Kraft Foods, Visa and Whole Foods. Both partnerships were formed by Mr. Ryan and other family members to manage assets left by his grandparents and an aunt. Mrs. Ryan has reported receiving a trust after her mother died in 2010 that is valued between $1 million and $5 million, according to a letter Mr. Ryan filed with his latest financial disclosure. Mrs. Ryan also has longstanding interests in several mining and oil exploration investments in Oklahoma and Texas managed by her father, Dan Little, a lawyer in Oklahoma whose clients include oil and gas companies. Those investments generated as much as $150,000 in income last year.

Read more: Paul Ryan Family Wealth -The Ryan Family's History of Fakery - Esquire

One more thing-

One morning when Paul Ryan was sixteen years old he went in to wakehis father up and found him dead of a heart attack.

Umm, Nope-
When he was 16 and working a summer job, Ryan received a worried phone call from his father's secretary. He came home to find his 55-year-old father lying dead in bed after suffering from a heart attack
... Due to his father's death Ryan received survivor's benefits through Social Security until his 18th birthday, education
Paul Ryan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just another Trust fund baby (with the added benefit of marrying wealthy too) that owes his family fortune to the same US government he is trying to demonise, and ultimately the same workers he is trying to disenfranchise. US social welfare rules must be a bit lax though, if they allowed this rich kid to claim 'Survivors benefit'. No Abe Lincoln story there booner.

[Boon Mee]

Just another Trust fund baby (with the added benefit of marrying wealthy too) that owes his family fortune to the same US government he is trying to demonise, and ultimately the same workers he is trying to disenfranchise. US social welfare rules must be a bit lax though, if they allowed this rich kid to claim 'Survivors benefit'. No Abe Lincoln story there booner.

Esquire? A hit piece with absolutely no bias, eh?

Wiki - where anyone can alter the 'truth'?

Re Survivors Benefits - since Ryan's father was obviously not going to receive them in the grave, it's been a part of SS for benefits to go to the children until they attain age 18 I believe.

Nobody's trying to portray Ryan as another Abe Lincoln unless it's the left-liberal press taking more hits on him for an imagined position. Your attitude toward Romney/Ryan having wealth is somehow a negative aspect of their characters or what?

[sabang]

Your attitude toward Romney/Ryan having wealth is somehow a negative aspect of their characters or what?

No, but the fact that these wealthy people are lobbying to pay still less tax, and reduce government services to fund this, most certainly is.

There are many 'balanced' wealthy & affluent people, who understand that an advanced society functions best as a coalition of interests, rather than an eternal war zone. They number among the most significant fortunes made in my lifetime, people such as Bill Gates, Geo Soros & Warren Buffet. My bicker is with the venally greedy wealthy and with the low grade tactics they resort to, to try and advance their agenda. An agenda which is bad for any society, your great nation included. Society is comprised of all people, we should not need to remind ourselves of this in a democracy.

One thing I'll say about Paul Ryan though- I think I quite like the bloke. He just needs more seasoning.

[Butterfly]

One thing I'll say about Paul Ryan though- I think I quite like the bloke.

are you serious ?

he is a typical fascist conservative, again hardly surprising since you seem to like those types

[sabang]

You and booner have a lot in common, just as christian conservatives, fundamentalist muslims and dreadlock jews do. Lets hope your ilk never become a majority.

[Begbie]

Two removed from Republican convention for tossing nuts at black camerawoman

Two people were ejected from the Republican National Convention for throwing nuts at an African-American camera operator for CNN and telling her: “This is how we feed animals,” the cable network said.

The incident happened today in the Tampa Bay Times Forum where delegates officially nominated Mitt Romney as the Republican candidate to face President Barack Obama in the 6 November election.

"Two attendees tonight exhibited deplorable behavior. Their conduct was inexcusable and unacceptable. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated," CNN quoted the convention as saying in a statement.

Multiple witnesses saw the incident and RNC security and police immediately removed the two people from the forum, CNN said.

Two removed from Republican convention for tossing nuts at black camerawoman - Americas - World - The Independent

[Boon Mee]

^
Wrong thread there K. Begbie - should be in the Convention thread but good to see you posting here anyhow.

Shameful behavior on the part of the Democrats these days. Calling Black speakers 'House Niggers' and worse. They have absolutely no shame.

[Hampsha]

I knew there was a reason I love the Irish, just never knew exactly why.
Here's one below.

(Not really sure where this belongs, but considering his policies and supporters, I guess Paul Ryan thread is the most appropriate.)

http://www.upworthy.com/a-tea-partier-decided-to-pick-a-fight-with-a-foreign-president-it-didnt-go-so-we

Excellent audio!!! Thanks so much for this. MrG. I found it at youtube so for those interested.

[Butterfly]

"Two attendees tonight exhibited deplorable behavior. Their conduct was inexcusable and unacceptable. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated," CNN quoted the convention as saying in a statement.

Multiple witnesses saw the incident and RNC security and police immediately removed the two people from the forum, CNN said.

the only reasons they were removed is to "contain" and "dissimulate" the true nature of the Republican thinking.

let's be honest, those 2 were simply airing what everyone else in that room was thinking. They are simply racists, always been.

[barbaro]

Here is the speech. Well received (depending on your side of the aisle). There will be the usual Convention bump, but the bump fades.

Part 1 of 3:


Part 2 of 3


Part 3 of 3

[Boon Mee]

Ryan knocked a grand slam out of the park. No teleprompter either. The 'borrowed, spent & wasted' is another line that will reverberate throughout the rest of the campaign.


Help Is Here.

[sabang]

Time for one of those annoying Fact Checks, eh booner-


TAMPA, Fla. — Paul Ryan’s acceptance speech at the Republican convention contained several false claims and misleading statements. Delegates cheered as the vice presidential nominee:

Accused President Obama’s health care law of funneling money away from Medicare “at the expense of the elderly.” In fact, Medicare’s chief actuary says the law “substantially improves” the system’s finances, and Ryan himself has embraced the same savings.
Accused Obama of doing “exactly nothing” about recommendations of a bipartisan deficit commission — which Ryan himself helped scuttle.
Claimed the American people were “cut out” of stimulus spending. Actually, more than a quarter of all stimulus dollars went for tax relief for workers.
Faulted Obama for failing to deliver a 2008 campaign promise to keep a Wisconsin plant open. It closed less than a month before Obama took office.
Blamed Obama for the loss of a AAA credit rating for the U.S. Actually, Standard & Poor’s blamed the downgrade on the uncompromising stands of both Republicans and Democrats.
FactCheck.org : Ryan’s VP Spin

Voodoonomics, Lies, and Money. vote republican.

[Boon Mee]

^FactCheck is about as reliable a source now as quoting HuffPo or Salon.

"Last night, before the applause had even died after VP nominee Paul Ryan's masterful speech, CNN's Wolf Blitzer was calling Ryan a liar. Before the echoes of Ryan's last words had even faded, Blitzer was telling America the fact-checkers would take issue with the speech.
Within minutes afterwards, the lying, disgraced media fact-checkers dutifully followed suit with a flurry of lying, disgraced checking of Ryan's facts."
Lies, lies & more lies

To cite just one of your examples - the autoplant Obama promised to keep open and didn't.
Fail...

[sabang]

the autoplant Obama promised to keep open and didn't.

You mean, the one that closed down before he was even elected. Fail.

Looking at the overall reaction of the mainstream media, at least what I am reading, the prominence of naked lies in Ryan's speech is receiving the attention it deserves. That's good at least, but I don't know how much lower American politics can go. Houston, we have a problem.

[Boon Mee]

the autoplant Obama promised to keep open and didn't.

You mean, the one that closed down before he was even elected.

That's the one! He campaigned to keep it open in 2008 so I'm right and yer wrong...Fail or what?

[Butterfly]

conservatives are known to live in alternate realities and lying is part of their game

they can actually justify them in their own logic, something about the greater good and their moral superiority

but the fact is that they are deceiving social predators, only looking for ways to cheat society of its resources,

that old "territorial" dominance thing that hyenas are champion for,

[Boon Mee]

The so-called 'fact checkers' indeed.

Unaired & Unedited: Paul Ryan Responds To So-Called Fact-Checkers Of His RNC Speech - YouTube

Paul Ryan responds to the lying liers...

[Minnie Maugham]

conservatives are known to live in alternate realities and lying is part of their game

If that reality is an alternative to liberal reality, JUST DO IT. Can't see the forest for the trees? 8% plus unemployment for 42 months, debt exceeding GDP, lowered credit rating, crap foreign cred except from socialist, donor-fed and nations beating the crap outta the US in trade, rising ga s prices, continued housing doldrums, another QE on the horizon, higher college tuitions...
The embarrassing situation goes on under obama and he just keeps asking for more time. You had 3.5 years, buddy, and you're outta time.

I cannot wait for the Ryan-Biden debate. Maybe Ryan will let Biden consult flash cards.

[S Landreth]

It will be interesting to see how the American public views Lyin’ Ryan after the convention.

Gallup’s first cut shows 39 percent of those surveyed rating the Ryan pick as “excellent” or “pretty good” with 42 percent saying it was only “fair” or “poor.”

Four years ago, Sarah Palin (46-37 percent) and Joe Biden (47-33 percent) did better when their selection was announced, and the (as it turns out) controversial former governor of Alaska initially had a better favorability rating than Ryan has today.: Where